They simply believed in free trade and many CIS-sympathizers were right about the Republic being corrupt to its core. The only problem was the CIS ended up falling for the same corruptions that plagued the Republic.

>>2730 Other than being controlled by the exact same shadowy religious minority, they did nothing wrong. As for them continuing to exist past the clone wars, I'm of the opinion that'd likely require Palpatine to do die without an apprentice either before the outbreak of the war, or during one of the periods of the war in which the Republic was at a disadvantage. Now, that's not to say the Republic was already in the process of becoming the Empire- you'd just be left with a much weaker one with less of an interest in the space occult.

I think the CIS could win if they played a war of attrition. Then again I don't know how long they'd last when the Vong show up decades later.

Not using a literal slave army made CIS the moral victors at least.

>>2730 I LOVE THE SOUTH AND I'M A YANK

>>2814 Based Yankee Don't come down here, you fucking carpetbagger reeeee

Is there any comic that focuses on the civillian government or just civillian life of the CIS? And I mean stuff besides TCW.

>>2817 The Jedi: Yoda comic sort of explores the Sephi a bit. There's not really much of a government or difference in civilian life with the CIS. Its just an alliance between different industries and rich assholes who want more benefits and those who just think the Republic sucks and needs some serious reorganization. The CIS senate from TCW is pretty much nothing like how the CIS was previously depicted.

>>2740 >I think the CIS could win if they played a war of attrition. The Republic would probably win. Though many industrial powerhouses joined the CIS it was at its strongest in the periphery of the galaxy. The wealthiest and most developed Core and surrounding layers mostly didn't secede.

>>2730 How much did Bioware fuck the characters introduced in KotOR 2 with retroactive lore? More importantly, what do I need to play in ToRtanic that elaborates on the Exile et alia? Also, did they do anything on the Mandalorian Wars?

>>3824 >How much did Bioware fuck the characters introduced in KotOR 2 with retroactive lore? All of the interesting plot points from KotOR 2 were destroyed by Bioware in TOR. Most of the characters are never mentioned. I think this is mainly due to three reasons: one, I doubt anybody at Bioware actually played KotOR 2; two, those who did probably couldn't be bothered to actually talk to any of the companions; three, anybody at Bioware who did play the game and did talk to the companions lacked the intellectual capacity to recognize quality writing and character depth when it was squatting over their face and shitting directly into their mouths. In TOR lore, the Exile is killed in a ridiculous manner and is hardly ever spoken of again. She shows up as a Force ghost for maybe five minutes. Everything Kreia says about Revan is ignored. He's no longer an incredibly powerful force user that sacrifices himself to the dark side in order to save the Republic; instead he's just a normal Jedi who fell victim to mind-control by a centuries-old Sith Emperor. In TOR, bizarrely, he comes back as a confused and ridiculous villain with poorly-developed motivations. You can kill him in a boss battle to get his pants. HK-47 shows up as a boss battle a couple of times. It's silly and a sad way to use the character. Kreia, G0-T0, Visas, the Handmaiden, Mira, Atton, Mandalore, T3, Bao-Dur... as far as I know they're never mentioned again. If you are going to play TOR, the best class story by far is the Imperial Agent. It's good enough that in my opinion it probably should have been its own standalone game. Lots of people also seem to enjoy the Sith Warrior storyline. I thought Inquisitor was okay too. The Republic stories are mostly boring and total shit, but many will tell you that the Jedi Guardian storyline is the closest we'll ever come to a KotOR 3.

>CIS >right Their rulling council/leadership and economic base was composed by the worst corporate scum in the galaxy. They were run by the worst type of jewish stereotype, they had literall space jewish hand rubbing bankers. The confederacy only came to be due those rich corporate types wanting more in a system where they basically acted on their own, down with private armies and fleets. They had armies around just to collect debt. And they wanted more. The oppressed/fucked up/forgotten types like the kaleesh and jabiimi were the minority. Fuck the CIS and those hand rubbing greedy corporate space jews aliens

>tfw you'll never be a clone trooper >you'll never serve a republic dedicated to the good of all >you'll never take those super battle droids down >you'll never watch those wrist rockets >you'll never have a qt pod-mate tomboy serving in your unit >you'll never have hot sweaty adrenaline fueled sex with her after every mission >you'll never end the war with a football team of offspring and another in the making Fuck.

>>3829 >female Jango clones Now that's a thing, it could be useful as breeding and educator "surrogate mother" units. Then again kaminoans only delivered what they were paid for.

>>3826 I see, thank you. On another note, do you believe the Exile to be female? I have a hard time believing it, given what I remember from playthroughs.

>>3834 (((Canon))) has the exile as a woman named meetra surrik who takes every lightside choice. If you want my take the exile should be a mostly neutral Jedi Jesus with the darkside ending.

>>3834 >I have a hard time believing it, given what I remember from playthroughs. I don't see why not? The game even had an exclusive companion each for both a male and female player character. Apparently she was first mentioned in a novel but I think I first heard about her being canon in the Old Republic book of the Saga Edition RPG. Both got published long before TOR, so no idea how they change her character later. But there's no real reason to worry about it. The point of the game is to play it with whatever kind of way you want and the canon version is impossible anyways, since she apparently travel with both Handmaiden and the female-PC exclusive guy.

>Mando season 2 ends with someone going Maclunkey Was Lucas involved?

>>3840 >The point of the game is to play it with whatever kind of way you want But that's just it. It comes off like Bioware just took it and then came up with a bunch of lore without a second thought, whereas Black Isle's/Obsidian's approach to player history is to keep their main characters' persons vague, though I can see the issue in the case of a military general as opposed to rando desert wanderers. Even though Revan was a male, in KotOR 2, you can play the game as if he were a she. In any case, I found this (1 July 2006‎ ): https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Meetra_Surik?oldid=554686 >Gender issues >The Jedi Exile is fully customizable by the player, and so can take several different appearances and either gender. The male and female storylines have minor differences, with the most notable one being one of the player's party members (Brianna only joins a male Exile's party, and Mical only joins a female Exile's party). >It should be noted, however, that on August 19, 2005, Leland Chee made a statement [2] on the StarWars.com forums in which he said he is trying to make the canonical Exile female (as opposed to the canonical Revan being male). As Chee said on February 21, 2006 (see above), determination of the Exile's gender is "imminent". Until then, all articles of Wookieepedia, according to the English language custom, defined the Exile as male. >On April 10, he added [3] that "a name revelation is unlikely" and that the gender will likely be established in the next source to describe the Exile in detail. >On June 27, 2006, with the release of the The New Essential Guide to Droids, the Exile's gender was canonically established as female. >As with Revan, a number of KotOR fans oppose the idea of strictly defining the one and only true ending of both games and are likely to refuse to acknowledge the Exile's canonical gender and alignment when they are defined. Archived source for 2 (3 is missing): https://web.archive.org/web/20070224013945/http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=222689&start=615#12367041 Presumably, the name comes from one of the sources listed in the old Wookiepedia article, but I don't know. It was semi-recently brought up on the Talk page, it seems: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Meetra_Surik#How_was_the_decision_made_to_change_the_Jedi_Exile_character_into_Meetra_Surik.3F At least that hand-drawn image of the Exile depicts her as a qt.

So, did the Yuuzhan Vong ever just "occupy" worlds? And what was that like?

>>3842 >But that's just it. It comes off like Bioware just took it and then came up with a bunch of lore without a second thought, whereas Black Isle's/Obsidian's approach to player history is to keep their main characters' persons vague, Oh I certainly agree with that. The best way to handle it would be to keep any mention of her neutral. I guess they just went >"Regan is kinda canon male so let's make this one kinda canon female." But that's just from the stuff I read myself. I don't know how they handled her in TOR and I don't really care to find out.

>>3857 >mistyped Revan as Regan Oh well.

>>3855 Pulling from memory but every world they occupied they fucked up with their terraforming or overal dismantling of technology and using their biowanking in place. >And what was that like? They at the top, the rest enslaved From the wiki >Local planets were ruled by the Intendant caste, with Prefects administering the worlds under their command. However, a few systems were known to have been granted to select Domains. The members of the Priest caste were charged with managing ceremonies and ensuring the loyalty of the masses >The empire's reasons for conquering a world often varied; planets such as Belkadan and Tynna were terraformed and used for production of vital materiel such as dovin basals and villips, while the worlds of Malastare and Brentaal IV were captured to lock up supply lines and establish strategic rendezvous points for Yuuzhan Vong fleets. Others still, like Kalarba and New Plympto, were destroyed outright. Regardless of the purpose a given planet would ultimately serve, each successful attack expanded the Yuuzhan Vong empire's territory

>>3859 So, would it theoretically be possible to have an occupation/resistance story on one of those conquered worlds which the Yuuzhan didn't hit as hard?

>>3857 >I guess they just went "Revan is kinda canon male so let's make this one kinda canon female." That's what I was thinking. >I don't know how they handled her in TOR Sounds like complete trash from what I hear. Shame.

Following what the other anon asked, why exactly are the Yuuzhan Vong controversial among the SW fanbase?

>>3860 Are you planning on making something, trooper?

>>3867 the Yuuzhan Vong break the universe, and completely clash with the character and aesthetic of Star Wars. they're full of illogical nonsense, like combining bio-wankery with immunity to the Force, and have a very jarring effect on the timeline. they also subvert the OT, which to me is an unforgivable offense. they belong in WH40K, in fact they feel like they were created by a Warhammer fan who hates Star Wars for some reason. with that said, I'd rather have spiky Vong dicks than Disney.

>>3868 Yes, even if it's just background material. It would help the troopers who can write better make a story of it. Think Enemy at the Door meets Victorian boys' adventures. >>3870 What can I say, Mongols tend to fuck established things over when they show up. Better than endless IR capers.

>>3871 >What can I say, Mongols tend to fuck established things over when they show up. Better than endless IR capers. I see your point, but if something like the Vong invasion had to happen, it should've been in the distant past, not shortly after the OT. also, it's entirely possible to break new storytelling ground without dropping a nuke on the universe. it's a bad idea, especially when it subverts the OT.

>>3872 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcZ9kQ1h-ZY >subvert Nonsense! From day one, the EU has been a showcase of just how messy the Galaxy can and will be outside the heroic epic of the movies. Hell, after Return of the Jedi, they had to deal with an extra-galactic invasion on top of the vigorous Imperial Remnant. Why, in the supplementary materials, Sate Pestage had that celebrating mob on Coruscant gunned down by Stormtroopers to the last. Just because one great evil is triumphed over, does not mean another great evil cannot rise from another quarter. The story does not end.

>>3873 of course, the Galaxy is a messy place, and there's no need for the story to end. however, we can do that without plowing a freight train of spiky rape into the story and setting. the OT, as seen in theaters in the 70s and 80s, is the pinnacle of Star Wars. while much can be added to this, the central narrative must not be subverted. if the Yuuzhan Vong invasion happens, that gives the OT a bad ending. you see, if the Empire had won, they'd be well equipped to fight off the Vong. Imperial Star Destroyers, AT vehicles, and legions of troopers would give them serious trouble, and a working Death Star or two would annihilate their worldships. the only way the Vong could cause so much death and destruction is if the Galaxy is seriously weakened and divided by a successful Rebellion decapitating the Empire's top leadership (ie Endor). of course, no one knew this would happen, but the fact remains, if the Vong invade, the Galaxy would be much better off under an Imperial victory. that does indeed subvert the OT, which I cannot accept. there's other problems too, such as the fact that the Yuuzhan Vong are immune to the Force, yet they use biotech, and the Force flows through all living things. and there's a thematic clash -- the Vong are essentially the Hostile Alien Invasion trope, yet the Galaxy is full of alien species, so they come from another galaxy. it just doesn't fit, they belong in WH40K as I said. the only ways I'd accept the Yuuzhan Vong is if 1. they were nerfed and turned into a dangerous species somewhere on the Outer Rim, or 2. their invasion happened centuries or millennia BBY. you could even combine these, by having the invasion happen long ago, with a surviving remnant on some distant planet(s).

Are there any fans who are pro-Jedi (or at least prefer them over the Sith) but pro-Empire, or pro-Sith but pro-Rebellion (probably the rarest)? If so, where?

>be among the most powerful men in the galaxy >wear grandfather bathrobes >one is literally got a dick in a condom on his head Guess being that powerful does have it's perks. You can walk around in bathrobes and nobody would say a word.

>>3886 >Are there any fans who are pro-Jedi (or at least prefer them over the Sith) but pro-Empire We got you covered.

>>3867 >biowank >coral ships cumming molten rocks are capable of fucking with turbolaser resistant shields and durasteel >their ships due some big brain gravity manipulation are able to withstand a fucking turbolaser in the face when those things are capable of vaporizing shit on spot >mind that turbolasers had some nuke tier punch >a refugee population in dying worldships that were millenia were capable of overpowering a galaxy that have planets like Coruscant or able to churn quintillion of battle droids in less than a year >their durka durka jihadi troops have those crab armors that are able to withstand blaster fire just because when those things can penetrate and put holes in plasteel, concrete and turn organic matter into charred meat >they are somehow not affected by the Force despite using critters and being alive even when rocks and air are affected by it >and not being affected not as "yslarmiri force repellent bubbles" but as "not registering and being affected by it at all" wank >you cant grab then with tk, cant mess with their minds when the Force is supposed to be an universal field created by living beings >Palpatine could tear a fucking whole in the spacetime but cant tk some vong shit Basically this, they are the snowflakes of SW, the closest offender to that was the mandowank

So what does Jonesposting in the Galaxy look like? Remember, it's never supposed to be dead-on, but with a blend of fact and fiction.

>>3886 Conversely, are there any fans here who are pro-Republic and generally pro-Jedi, but admit that the Jedi and Republic were both hopelessly corrupt, complacent, and in need of reform (genuine reform, NOT just being turned into an Empire) by the prequel era? Because that's where I stand.

Should they have kept Shaak Ti's original death scene? It tied with the OG Clone Wars quite nicely, meanwhile having her die during meditation and off-screen was very lame in comparisson.

>>4999 She needed another type of penetration if you catch my drift.

>>4999 >was very lame in comparisson Just like all of Ahsoka Wars.

>>5029 This needs a yaranaika edit.

>>4999 >Should they have kept Shaak Ti's original death scene Nope. >having her die during meditation Nope. Best death is pic-related

>>5032 >Force Unleashed Nope, that crap was the beginning of the end for SW. They started to put those fanction tier characters in the continuity with that crap. >retarded reverse grip >dbz tier power level character >rebel alliance created by OC character breaking with all the previous continuity No, just no.

>>5035 >that crap was the beginning of the end for SW Must be nice, being that young.

>>5036 If not that, pray tell, what was?

>>5037 >If not that, pray tell, what was? It was Jim Ward a fucking marketing double nigger faggot that got the position as PRESIDENT of LucasArts. >In April 2004, Jim Ward, V.P. of marketing, online and global distributions at Lucasfilm, was appointed president of LucasArts.[41] Ward performed a top-to-bottom audit of LucasArts infrastructure, describing the company's state as "quite a mess."[42] In 2003, LucasArts had reportedly grossed just over $100,000,000 according to N.P.D., primarily from its Star Wars titles — significantly less than the grosses from the year's top single titles such as Halo.[41] Ward produced a five-year investment plan to refit the company.[43] Previous Star Wars games had been produced by external developers such as Raven Software, BioWare and Obsidian; Ward now prioritized making LucasArts' internal game development work effectively and adapt to the evolving game industry. Star Wars: Battlefront, Star Wars: Republic Commando, and Star Wars: Episode III survived cuts that closed down other in-development games and reduced staff from about 450 to 190 employees. https://archive.md/CWp9A

>>5035 You're saying all this like it wasn't a blast and a half. >>5039 And we got those games in spite of him?

>>5039 >>5045 This nigger is probably the reason Battlefront III and who knows how many others never got released.

>>5046 >This nigger is probably the reason Battlefront III and who knows how many others never got released. Yep. >The rapid scaling down of internal projects at LucasArts was also reflected in its handling of games developed by external developers. During the tenure of Ward, Free Radical was contracted to produce Star Wars: Battlefront III, which had been in production for 2 years. Free Radical co-founder Steve Ellis described how working with LucasArts evolved from being "the best relationship we'd ever had with a publisher"[50] to withholding money for 6 months and abusing the independent developer's position to withhold the full project cancellation fee—this was a major event which contributed towards Free Radical entering administration.

>>5039 LucasArts? You're talking about video games, i'm talking about the whole, the franchise, the continuity, the storytelling, the themes. Force Unleashed opened a can of worms in terms of narrative, character, continuity issues.

>>5046 Battlefront III along with 1313 and many others got fucked long 2004 though, around 2011 when the Disney talks began

Continue your argument here troopers. https://anon.cafe/sw/res/2730.html#q5032

>>2730 They would have won if they had not been stupidly cheap on the targeting scopes used in their droids. And if they had gone for one droideka instead of ten B1s.