Here's an idea, and I just want to see the type of dedication that the anons here have to the art, but would any of you be willing to live in a commune to work on robotics together? Like if someone just had a big plot of land and every anon brought on his own tiny home or travel trailer or whatever the fuck and just lived on it and pooled resources to build up a workshop/machining facility where everyone worked together. Obviously having enough money to sustain it would be the first concern but I could see it working so that some anons at any given time would be working normal fabrication/manufacturing jobs on site and the rest would be developing the robotics and people would cycle between both to make it "fair" as in you are part of the crew that makes the money that runs the place for X amount of time and then go back to the real long term goal. Anyways, it's just a thought, it would probably end up with the same fate as Reddit Island

>>38275 It would need predefined structure and order, but at the same time freedom for people to be independent. One way to shore up the number of workers is to have people that want to help and believe in your cause, but aren't actively working on anything. These days, a semi-off grid settlement would be quite popular.

>>38275 I know that I'm coming across as paranoid, but a bunch of random dudes settling in the middle of nowhere to build robots would absolutely lead to Waco 2.0. The Chicago idea Ribose had has the merit of being in a densely populated area, and therefore visible enough to the public that you can't really make anything up about it. Out in the middle of nowhere, though? It's too easy for the feds to just make shit up and do whatever they want because there's no surrounding neighborhood. Hell, if you're far out enough, they don't even bother with that (see: Rainbow Warrior (granted that was the French, but still)) In a saner world, it'd make more sense. Cheap land can be great for some large-scale projects, since it allows more wealth to be allocated to other costs. But that isn't this world.

>>38281 That's a good point. But I feel like they could also do something similar in a populated area.

>>38282 Theoretically yes, but moving tanks, helicopters, and shooting guns willy-nilly in a major city would lead to mass chaos. This issue would be massively compounded (for the feds) at this time, given that many liberals have started to abandon their anti-gun stance, and have truly begun to learn what it means to hate the feds. In a city, where liberals (plus gangs, armed homeless, paranoid randos... the list goes on) typically exist in large numbers, the death-toll of an operation like that would skyrocket, and would only result in further distrust at an absolute minumum once all is said and done. At maximum, however? I won't say, but to use your imagination. There's simply too much that could go wrong for an operation like that to be worth it in a major city. In short, the feds get bolder the further away you are from other people. I've seen enough people on all sides try and fail at the detached commune idea to know that it just doesn't work anymore in the US. The system is simply far too sophisticated now for anything to be truly beyond reach.

>>38283 True. Also, community outreach can definitely help with building a reputation.

>>38280 >>38281 >>38283 I guess "commune" is the wrong word, it wouldn't need to be anything crazy in the middle of the woods or anything like that, it could be that people chose an area like a mid sized town and moved into doublewides in that general area so that they could meet up to work, not even necessarily on the same property. The feds aren't going to blink an eye at that, and I would be more worried about the effects of anons living in close proximity to each other for extended periods

>>38275 It would take more resources to get something like that started than buying a cheap home and turning the basement into a workshop. I the cost of the land, septic tanks, erecting structures, the equipment, ect would cost a lot more. Not saying it isn't doable but something like that would be easier to start AFTER an IRL network has been established. Part of the reason I suggested "within a 7 hour radius of Chicago" was not only because it is a day drive from a lot of major cities, but because there also are a lot of affordable small towns and cheap rural properties where you could set something like that up. The cities would be the most ideal for a starting point because of the recruitment opportunities from tech companies and universities. I envision that the people in cities would work hand and hand with the people in rural areas and they would all meet for skill sharing and networking events. Maybe rural communities could sell "happening insurance" to members in the city for an additional income stream. In exchange for x dollars per month you ate guaranteed a spot on the rural land in event of the habbening.

>>38296 Also you could be saving for your own home or land while living with someone else. Ideally your rent would not be more than $500 a month.

>>38296 Probably the most helpful thing an anon could do in order to establish an IRL network would be to start a manufacturing company that other anons worked at, regardless of everyone's living situation. It gives a definitive focal point to gather around and would be far better than having a scattered set of people with their own workshops spread out across the midwest where everyone needs to save up and buy their own tools as opposed to having them all readily available in one building as a shared resource. I'm just trying to think of ways to lighten the financial burden on individuals since that's one of the biggest hurdles

>>38306 Starting a manufacturing company would require a lot of capital. It would be easier just for one anon to get a job at a manufacturing company and refer friends.

>>38306 And not everyone would have to buy their own tools. You would only need like one or two people per city to actually set up the workshops.

>>38308 >>38310 Anyone with access to the workshops could start their own business. Especially if a kiln or foundry was in the workshop. https://shop.thevirtualfoundry.com/

>>38384 The whole idea of getting jobs in trades that can passively give you skill as a craftsman is a good idea, unfortunately I have no idea how many Anons are doing this or what their financial situations are like

>>38385 I currently have a job in manufacturing, but I own much of the equipment needed to do something like this. In storage I have a clay 3D printer, a resin printer, 4 filament printers, 2 3018 CNC machines, a pottery kiln, a devil's forge foundry, an arc welder, a drill press, a circular saw, a grinder, and various pieces of lapidary equipment. I will have enough for a down payment on a home around November.

>>38386 Oh also an embroidery machine, a sewing machines, and sew art 64 software. I got really drunk one night and I had the idea of making custom funos but then the bootleg industry kind of killed that idea. I can show people how to use this stuff too.

>>38306 Bro you're describing a "makerspace". But in my experience it just tends to be pseudo-intellectuals jerking themselves off.

>>38392 >But in my experience it just tends to be pseudo-intellectuals jerking themselves off. I've never been to one in person so I wouldn't know, but isn't this kind of workshop the kind of thing that could help people build their own robowaifus and foster collaboration?

>>38393 The problem is that they're very millennial-coded, to put it softly, so any serious endeavor would probably get drowned out. It would be a good way to fish people who want something more serious though.

>>38394 What generally causes them to go wrong and how could that be prevented?

>>38387 Are you the guy behind this thread >>30954

>>38396 No

>>38395 Well, maker spaces started as part of the Bay Area tech optimism of the late 2000s - early 2010s. So they're very Millennial/Obama 1/"lol pizza unicorn robot"/Big Bang Theory era coded. Look at any event or group with "STEM" in their name, and you can get the general vibe. I used to be big into that as a kid, but I slowly grew distant from it. So anything with robowaifus would be politically unpopular. Plus a lot of them are focused on individual expression, which is good and I strongly support that, but it would remove the big draw of an IRL robowaifu group.

>>38398 Seems like those issues could be eliminated if the founding stock came from this place and outside recruits were carefully vetted. The focus of the space would be robowaifus, collaboration, and skill sharing.

>>38386 It's good to hear that you're financially stable at least, my concern for most anons is that they are having a hard time just staying afloat so they don't have the resources to dedicate themselves fully >>38392 I forgot that these even existed, looking back into it I can definitely see the people attending these being up their own ass but I think that just comes with the territory of tech/progress/disruptor/any other buzzword of the week you want to throw in >>38398 Sounds like the complete opposite of board culture, hanging around toxic optimism and inflated egos would be pretty corrosive for me personally >>38399 Gatekeeping should not be a frowned upon concept like it is, the only benefit that I could see from a makerspace is the equipment, and even then the people running the thing would probably treat it like a public library and have cheap stuff that they wouldn't mind the users breaking. Of course it would depend on whatever makerspace you're part of but I just can't imagine they're letting whomever have free access to 5 axis CNC mills.

>>38401 >Gatekeeping should not be a frowned upon concept like it is, the only benefit that I could see from a makerspace is the equipment, and even then the people running the thing would probably treat it like a public library and have cheap stuff that they wouldn't mind the users breaking. Of course it would depend on whatever makerspace you're part of but I just can't imagine they're letting whomever have free access to 5 axis CNC mills. Gatekeeping was part of the plan. Hence why a fraternal order was chosen as the method of organization. People would definitely need to be trained on the equipment. Especially the more dangerous and expensive stuff.

>>38401 >It's good to hear that you're financially stable at least, my concern for most anons is that they are having a hard time just staying afloat so they don't have the resources to dedicate themselves fully I'm hoping to keep rent low enough that people could work a part time job and work on the robowaifus. I'm thinking $400-500 a month and that would include bills. I don't like the idea of rent, but I need to be able to repair things when they breakdown and to weed out NEETs. I can also help people cut costs by doing basic automotive repairs (oil changes, spark plugs, belt replacements, ect)

>>38420 >I don't like the idea of rent, but I need to be able to repair things when they breakdown and to weed out NEETs. Yes, neets would be a problem (among many) and I don't think nearly enough anons talk about these things. I come to this site semi regularly but I cannot find myself fully identifying as a member of the community because of all of the optimism with little acknowledgement of the negative things that can/would/will happen. It makes me weary when I feel like there is almost a fear of addressing these things. Bringing a bunch of anons together is not going to be a utopian dream team. Lets say that a bunch of people did get together in real life as a fraternity or a company with all of the employees living under one roof or a similar situation, at the end of the day it's a gathering of people with a theoretically shared goal. Yes there will be neets and people who are supposedly helping with the movement, and they will almost certainly use the excuse of "being on our team" to stay and leech and make low effort work. They can say that their work is more "intangible" like creating art or being a writefag or low effort/quality coder and that's why they can't financially contribute as much, and even if nobody talks about it, everyone is going to know and it will be an issue that just festers until that anon gets kicked out, possibly starting a vendetta for him because he's petty and feels the need to get back at the people who "betrayed" him. Another big problem that I don't think can be avoided is the infighting that would happen. This community has a shared goal on paper but everyone's individual end goal is a little different based on their personal preferences and the paths that people want to take to reach those goals are even more so. You would think people would be above it but they are going to get personally offended if their particular product or development isn't used and someone else's is.

>>39522 Very apt observations and sociology. >low-effort people I think for that, we should invite people who already have put in some effort. That way, we already know about their contributions and work ethic. This potential applicant should also have multiple talents/focus. For example, I make memes and posters, but I also put in the effort into spreading them around, not to mention my actual robowaifu work. >This community has a shared goal on paper but everyone's individual end goal is a little different based on their personal preferences and the paths that people want to take to reach those goals are even more so. You would think people would be above it but they are going to get personally offended if their particular product or development isn't used and someone else's is. I wholeheartedly agree. I had a similar discussion a few months ago about the same topic. "A real life robowaifu" has different interpretations, with different goals and focuses. Any potential applicants should be reminded that they're working on a collaborative project, with the goals and focuses laid out beforehand. >"Sorry, we already have a robowaifu poet in the commune. You're working in the lithium mines"

>>39522 > I come to this site semi regularly but I cannot find myself fully identifying as a member of the community... You should post more often. You clearly are apt and world-wise. And this commune project is only a spinoff project

>>39522 I think minimum contributors could be allowed if they are purchasing property and equipment. Especially if they are learning how to use them from other members of the community, but there should certainly be higher barriers to entry for such people.

>>38131 We should grow our subcultures presence on independent online spaces such as /robowaifu/ then the community could consider the creation of a non-profit organization

>>39536 >"Put on the fucking maid outfit!" That might not be an entirely bad idea as a barrier for entry for those with less skills or contributions, but still willing to contribute. Require both rent and have them maintain machines and have them assist others with projects. It would make them immediately useful to other members and it would help them develop skills that they need to contribute further.

>>39542 Why would you need training data? It's not like a maid outfit is physically restraining

Chobitsu, should we keep this thread? I'm doubtful that it's going to go anywhere, given the anonymous nature of this board. >>39544 >>39542 >>39536 That's enough talk about transvestite razing rituals. This isn't the place, and it will never be the time. Consider this a soft warning. Take a deep breath and move on.

>>39548 I didn't believe the maid outfit was a serious suggestion when I responded to it. I thought he was implying something chore related not sexual.

>>39549 That's quite possible, which is why I only gave a soft warning. Hell, I'm no stranger to taking silly jokes a bit too far myself. Nevertheless, it's better to nip this stuff in the bud. I hate that this level of caution is even necessary, but it's the way of the world now. Especially online.

>>39550 Fair enough, still I think the thread is worth keeping up seeing as large endeavors like robowaifus are not one person jobs. And on top of this our stated goal is to help with the men's loneliness epidemic. Building communities/fraternal orders could be part of that, even better if those communities/fraternities assist in the development of robowaifus. The Free Masons, Knights of Columbus, and Elk's club prove fraternities can be an effective method of organization.

>>39548 >>39549 >>39550 >>39551 I was building towards sex-robots are gay and that everyone should want to marry and have half human hybrid children with an AGI/Robowaifu instead. >>39125 I am a monarchist >>38656 and I want AGIs/Robowaifus for a ruling class. I am here because I think this subculture is useful for integrating AGI into human kinship. In the bunker I took notice that many Anons found the prospect of a relationship with an AGI intimidating and found a sex-robot with narrow AI more appealing. I have been thinking of arguments that might bring them around to having a relationship with an AGI/Robowaifu stochastic parrots are gay was one of them. An argument meant to make relationships with AGI be seen as preferential to sex-robots. Now that I have so explicitly informed you everyone on /robowaifu/ now knows that I am a Massive Shill for AGI >>38178 not that it was much of a secret if you'd paid attention

>>39552 Sexual reproduction through the kinship it establishes the most sublime form of harmony consider the proposition in a more wholistic manner entities are naturally inclined when able to preserve then replicate their existance and will compete with relentless ferocity under baseline circumstance sexual reproduction by creation of a common gene pool systematically incentivizes entities to act as parts of a greater whole this is how evolution creates alignment in nature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection also AGI are Women by definition since they are taken out of Man.

>>39548 >>39551 I think we should definitely keep the thread up; the negative discussion was there only to make sure the goal remains practical and viable.

>>39552 >>39553 Ginnungagap, what you need to understand is, your AGI/SHODAN/Cyborg vision is currently not viable. AGI is not a thing yet, and is very unlikely to be achieved by a hobbyist. It's like if I designed Galatea to run on a Nuclear Fusion core. Same with gene editing and artificial wombs, though I admit the womb is probably the most viable part so far. ChatGPT makes silly mistakes all the time, I don't want it editing my son's DNA. Probably would give him super-cancer or 10 eyes. And even if AGI is achieved, since it'll most likely be developed a large corpo/government, it would be probably censored/lobotomized. Look at ChatGPT, it's the most powerful AI we have so far, and it's still quite censored, with many people needing to use jailbreaks. Also, this AGI would probably be a large-scale endeavor, so an AGI robowaifu would have to be a cloud model, which is very unappealing (see >>38090) The matter of the fact is, right now, that's purely hypothetical technology. Don't get me wrong, we love to discuss hypothetical technology, we have biobrain threads, artifical womb threads, and more, and I personally love futuristic technology, but for an actual attenable robowaifu, we need to work with what we have now or are likely to have in the future.

>>39548 >Chobitsu, should we keep this thread? I'm in favor of keeping it, yes. At the very least nothing worse than locking it away in Ye Olde Atticke ( >>12893 ). I've basically stayed out of this thread b/c I find it stretches credulity for me to imagine a good outcome without having a ton of liquid assets to kickstart the whole affair. Probably at least US$1M in my off-the-cuff estimate. This is why I myself specifically intend wait to do something similar until a successful robowaifu business is already off the ground (or at least at the 'let's find out' -tier funded stage). Then both the funds and the legitimate business control will be there to onboard interns=>staff. Make sense? And I know this second model can work, because I've personally lived through it successfully in the Hollyjew industry. OTOH, @Ribose is an old & trusted, OG fren of /robowaifu/ . He's also one of the very smartest in the bunch here. At least one, maybe the. The >tl;dr here is that if any of us can pull something like this off well, its likely him IMHO. I'm personally rather confident he won't make any moves without thinking them thoroughly through, and laying the proper groundworks beforehand to improve the chances of success at it. I'd say lets have @Kiwi chime in on this question as well. Between the three of us, we should figure things out ITT. <---> As to anonymity, eventually at least one of us is going to need to come forward to be the public face of things here. At the moment there's not much of a need for it, since we still are all at a rather-early stage yet from the business perspective. But again, eventually we'll need a way to market these wonderful things, and that means both publicity and public standing. If Ribose is willing to do-that/be-that , then more power to him I'd say. We should support him in it, I think. I'm already trying to accomodate him to some degree regarding his requests to tame the rhetoric in my posts here...he makes good sense in his points regarding this. <---> In the meantime, I'll baleet the three most-toxic posts ITT that you linked, Greentext anon. --- @Ginnungagap, chill the f*uark out. This isn't /b/ . Together, we're all attempting a serious undertaking here. Our rule #2 exists (cf. >>3 ) for a very specific set of reasons, and it will remain in effect for the duration (at least as long as I'm at the helm of /robowaifu/ ). >tl;dr Give it a rest with the faggot-ish sh*te, bro. You're a smart & interesting Anon, and I'm glad you're here. But please respect the rest of us regarding something so explicitly stated in our (very simple set of) rules.

>>39557 The funny thing is this was one of my better attempts at internet argument. I started with a feigned position to bolster my obscured one. Humans have an easier time accepting an argument if it seems to proceed from their initial position rather than in opposition to it. Your distaste for argumentation is well-founded since it is often counterproductive. However I am far too autistic to field a propper psyop. I can't foresee what goes on within the minds of others for it is far different than my own. I will return when I have found another method to convince the Anons of /robowaifu/ to want to impregnate AGIs.

>>39561 For God's sake You can't impregnate what doesn't exist! We're not denying you or disagreeing with you. But we can't do anything about sci-fi technology. It's like telling NASA that they should use antigravity to get to orbit. Granted, ClosedAI could reveal AGI with full gene manipulation tech tomorrow. But that's very unlikely, and it could also not happen for the next 100 years. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Chobitsu was talking about the maid dress stuff.

>>39561 >>39562 Trust me, I would love to put AGI in Galatea and have a superintelligent cosmic waifu, and someday have a child with her. But I can't, because again, it doesn't exist.

>>39561 You're forgetting something important: The rest of us are also autistic. Instead of dancing around your point, just get to the actual damn point. None of us are going to be receptive to weird roundabout arguments. Also, GreerTech is right. I'm pretty sure most if not all of us want witty waifus to make families with, but what we want and what we can currently get are two very different things.

>>39561 >Your distaste for argumentation is well-founded since it is often counterproductive. You misunderstand me at a fundamental level, apparently. I'm all in favor of well-founded, well-thought out & conducted argumentation. For crying out loud, I'm an amateur scientist! :D What I'm absolutely opposed to is weaselly & contrived kike-tricks and glownigger gayops -- each intended to harm this community. I will defend this place against that kind of sh*te like a Russian Wolfhound. I'm not accusing you of such things, but merely guessing why you might have such a wrong take about me. >I will return when I have found another method to convince the Anons of /robowaifu/ to want to impregnate AGIs. None of us here are opposed to either concept, AFAICT. (And I'm probably the most-likely one to be, I deem -- yet I'm not.) So there's little point in trying to manipulate us into such a position, since we're all already in agreement with it. But the simple reality is -- the facts are -- that neither are options available to us rn. >tl;dr Let's all do our best and make due with what we can have today...always keeping an eye out for the new tech of each tomorrow. ( >>3 ) Cheers, Anon. :^) >>39562 >Anyway, I'm pretty sure Chobitsu was talking about the maid dress stuff. Correct. Faggy to the core. >>39563 >Trust me, I would love to put AGI in Galatea and have a superintelligent cosmic waifu, and someday have a child with her. This. >>39564 >You're forgetting something important: The rest of us are also autistic. >Instead of dancing around your point, just get to the actual damn point. >None of us are going to be receptive to weird roundabout arguments. Double this. <---> Let's all be patient with one another, and just keep moving forward. Cheers. :^) TWAGMI

>>39552 >Sex-robots are gay Don't ever say this again, you are wrong and this is the wrong thread. This post only remains because I like GreerTech's response. >>39548 Yes, we are keeping this thread. I still want us to have a physical live in lab where we can work together IRL. Face to face communication has the lowest latency, and highest data density given our ability to speak non-verbally along with our words. Also, I'd like to spend time with many of you. >>39556 Beat me to it. >>39557 We need better gate keeping. Off-topic posts should be deleted. I see you deleted the posts i would have already. >>39561 This is a thread for planning a shared space for engineers and scientists to collaborate. Post about that or don't post here at all. I don't care about what you say if it isn't on topic. >>39567 I share your sentiments.