Oh one more thing! >What about feds/infiltrators? No one is going to bother with a group dedicated to the production of robowaifus. As the goal of the fraternity is not overthrowing capitalism, or beta uprising, or racial holy war and talk of such things is discouraged in the lodges no one is going to target us.

How would this be paid for? I'm pretty sure that if any of us had the millions in cash to splash, this would have come up sooner. Also, not all of us live in the US, and moving countries is a pretty big ask. >>38132 >no fed will bother The feds absolutely will bother, but not for the reasons you posted. It's not about what a group is doing, it's about justifying their funding. They'll infiltrate anyone and then turn it into something actionable so they can pat eachother on the back, claim a job well done, and ask for a higher budget from congress. Even if you discount the feds, there will always be the risk of activist and corporate espionage from non-state actors. Being inoffensive has never been and will never be a good security measure, because everything is offensive to someone. That's not to say it's hopeless, but real security and anti-subversion measures need to be in place.

>>38133 >How would this be paid for? I'm pretty sure that if any of us had the millions in cash to splash, this would have come up sooner. You don't need millions. You need enough for a down payment on a house and some equipment. You really don't even need that. Just a couple anons willing to rent a home with a decent garage/basement would be enough. Many of the cities I listed have affordable housing nearby although crime and diversity tend to be issues in the cheapest locations. I'm in a position where I can purchase a home soon and I'm willing to go in on this. >Also, not all of us live in the US, and moving countries is a pretty big ask. It would be possible to set up similar fraternal organizations in other countries. >It's not about what a group is doing, it's about justifying their funding. Its harder to justify your funding going after dorks building sex robots than it is to justify your funding going after le political extremist neon yatzees. Feds aren't likely to bother here. >Even if you discount the feds, there will always be the risk of activist and corporate espionage from non-state actors. I could see some seething feminist try to go after us, but having a fraternity basically eliminates that risk, but corporate espionage could be a real risk. Having a fraternity code of ethics, character expectations, and a good sense of community would reduce that risk. There are no 100% risk free interactions in this world.

>>38134 A pledging process that required time, dedication, and genuine skills could also help eliminate some of the risk.

>>38136 >pledging process You wear a bra on your head and chant in latin? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UJ9K8lMxPA

>>38167 I was thinking more like weekly STEM related pledge projects. It would show initiative and a willingness to learn new things.

>>38168 I'm not adept at math or engineering. I'm more of an artsy fartsy type so I don't think I could manage any STEM pledge process.

>>38169 Art projects should be acceptable too. Especially if it is related to 3D modeling, sculpting, embroidery (furry/pony robots), or propaganda.

>>38172 Come to think of it, it might be a good idea to require the more STEM focused dudes to do a couple of art related projects and vice versa so each party knows some of the challenges the other face.

Here's an idea, and I just want to see the type of dedication that the anons here have to the art, but would any of you be willing to live in a commune to work on robotics together? Like if someone just had a big plot of land and every anon brought on his own tiny home or travel trailer or whatever the fuck and just lived on it and pooled resources to build up a workshop/machining facility where everyone worked together. Obviously having enough money to sustain it would be the first concern but I could see it working so that some anons at any given time would be working normal fabrication/manufacturing jobs on site and the rest would be developing the robotics and people would cycle between both to make it "fair" as in you are part of the crew that makes the money that runs the place for X amount of time and then go back to the real long term goal. Anyways, it's just a thought, it would probably end up with the same fate as Reddit Island

>>38275 It would need predefined structure and order, but at the same time freedom for people to be independent. One way to shore up the number of workers is to have people that want to help and believe in your cause, but aren't actively working on anything. These days, a semi-off grid settlement would be quite popular.

>>38275 I know that I'm coming across as paranoid, but a bunch of random dudes settling in the middle of nowhere to build robots would absolutely lead to Waco 2.0. The Chicago idea Ribose had has the merit of being in a densely populated area, and therefore visible enough to the public that you can't really make anything up about it. Out in the middle of nowhere, though? It's too easy for the feds to just make shit up and do whatever they want because there's no surrounding neighborhood. Hell, if you're far out enough, they don't even bother with that (see: Rainbow Warrior (granted that was the French, but still)) In a saner world, it'd make more sense. Cheap land can be great for some large-scale projects, since it allows more wealth to be allocated to other costs. But that isn't this world.

>>38281 That's a good point. But I feel like they could also do something similar in a populated area.

>>38282 Theoretically yes, but moving tanks, helicopters, and shooting guns willy-nilly in a major city would lead to mass chaos. This issue would be massively compounded (for the feds) at this time, given that many liberals have started to abandon their anti-gun stance, and have truly begun to learn what it means to hate the feds. In a city, where liberals (plus gangs, armed homeless, paranoid randos... the list goes on) typically exist in large numbers, the death-toll of an operation like that would skyrocket, and would only result in further distrust at an absolute minumum once all is said and done. At maximum, however? I won't say, but to use your imagination. There's simply too much that could go wrong for an operation like that to be worth it in a major city. In short, the feds get bolder the further away you are from other people. I've seen enough people on all sides try and fail at the detached commune idea to know that it just doesn't work anymore in the US. The system is simply far too sophisticated now for anything to be truly beyond reach.

>>38283 True. Also, community outreach can definitely help with building a reputation.

>>38280 >>38281 >>38283 I guess "commune" is the wrong word, it wouldn't need to be anything crazy in the middle of the woods or anything like that, it could be that people chose an area like a mid sized town and moved into doublewides in that general area so that they could meet up to work, not even necessarily on the same property. The feds aren't going to blink an eye at that, and I would be more worried about the effects of anons living in close proximity to each other for extended periods

>>38275 It would take more resources to get something like that started than buying a cheap home and turning the basement into a workshop. I the cost of the land, septic tanks, erecting structures, the equipment, ect would cost a lot more. Not saying it isn't doable but something like that would be easier to start AFTER an IRL network has been established. Part of the reason I suggested "within a 7 hour radius of Chicago" was not only because it is a day drive from a lot of major cities, but because there also are a lot of affordable small towns and cheap rural properties where you could set something like that up. The cities would be the most ideal for a starting point because of the recruitment opportunities from tech companies and universities. I envision that the people in cities would work hand and hand with the people in rural areas and they would all meet for skill sharing and networking events. Maybe rural communities could sell "happening insurance" to members in the city for an additional income stream. In exchange for x dollars per month you ate guaranteed a spot on the rural land in event of the habbening.

>>38296 Also you could be saving for your own home or land while living with someone else. Ideally your rent would not be more than $500 a month.

>>38296 Probably the most helpful thing an anon could do in order to establish an IRL network would be to start a manufacturing company that other anons worked at, regardless of everyone's living situation. It gives a definitive focal point to gather around and would be far better than having a scattered set of people with their own workshops spread out across the midwest where everyone needs to save up and buy their own tools as opposed to having them all readily available in one building as a shared resource. I'm just trying to think of ways to lighten the financial burden on individuals since that's one of the biggest hurdles

>>38306 Starting a manufacturing company would require a lot of capital. It would be easier just for one anon to get a job at a manufacturing company and refer friends.

>>38306 And not everyone would have to buy their own tools. You would only need like one or two people per city to actually set up the workshops.

>>38308 >>38310 Anyone with access to the workshops could start their own business. Especially if a kiln or foundry was in the workshop. https://shop.thevirtualfoundry.com/

>>38384 The whole idea of getting jobs in trades that can passively give you skill as a craftsman is a good idea, unfortunately I have no idea how many Anons are doing this or what their financial situations are like

>>38385 I currently have a job in manufacturing, but I own much of the equipment needed to do something like this. In storage I have a clay 3D printer, a resin printer, 4 filament printers, 2 3018 CNC machines, a pottery kiln, a devil's forge foundry, an arc welder, a drill press, a circular saw, a grinder, and various pieces of lapidary equipment. I will have enough for a down payment on a home around November.

>>38386 Oh also an embroidery machine, a sewing machines, and sew art 64 software. I got really drunk one night and I had the idea of making custom funos but then the bootleg industry kind of killed that idea. I can show people how to use this stuff too.

>>38306 Bro you're describing a "makerspace". But in my experience it just tends to be pseudo-intellectuals jerking themselves off.

>>38392 >But in my experience it just tends to be pseudo-intellectuals jerking themselves off. I've never been to one in person so I wouldn't know, but isn't this kind of workshop the kind of thing that could help people build their own robowaifus and foster collaboration?

>>38393 The problem is that they're very millennial-coded, to put it softly, so any serious endeavor would probably get drowned out. It would be a good way to fish people who want something more serious though.

>>38394 What generally causes them to go wrong and how could that be prevented?

>>38387 Are you the guy behind this thread >>30954

>>38396 No

>>38395 Well, maker spaces started as part of the Bay Area tech optimism of the late 2000s - early 2010s. So they're very Millennial/Obama 1/"lol pizza unicorn robot"/Big Bang Theory era coded. Look at any event or group with "STEM" in their name, and you can get the general vibe. I used to be big into that as a kid, but I slowly grew distant from it. So anything with robowaifus would be politically unpopular. Plus a lot of them are focused on individual expression, which is good and I strongly support that, but it would remove the big draw of an IRL robowaifu group.

>>38398 Seems like those issues could be eliminated if the founding stock came from this place and outside recruits were carefully vetted. The focus of the space would be robowaifus, collaboration, and skill sharing.

>>38386 It's good to hear that you're financially stable at least, my concern for most anons is that they are having a hard time just staying afloat so they don't have the resources to dedicate themselves fully >>38392 I forgot that these even existed, looking back into it I can definitely see the people attending these being up their own ass but I think that just comes with the territory of tech/progress/disruptor/any other buzzword of the week you want to throw in >>38398 Sounds like the complete opposite of board culture, hanging around toxic optimism and inflated egos would be pretty corrosive for me personally >>38399 Gatekeeping should not be a frowned upon concept like it is, the only benefit that I could see from a makerspace is the equipment, and even then the people running the thing would probably treat it like a public library and have cheap stuff that they wouldn't mind the users breaking. Of course it would depend on whatever makerspace you're part of but I just can't imagine they're letting whomever have free access to 5 axis CNC mills.

>>38401 >Gatekeeping should not be a frowned upon concept like it is, the only benefit that I could see from a makerspace is the equipment, and even then the people running the thing would probably treat it like a public library and have cheap stuff that they wouldn't mind the users breaking. Of course it would depend on whatever makerspace you're part of but I just can't imagine they're letting whomever have free access to 5 axis CNC mills. Gatekeeping was part of the plan. Hence why a fraternal order was chosen as the method of organization. People would definitely need to be trained on the equipment. Especially the more dangerous and expensive stuff.

>>38401 >It's good to hear that you're financially stable at least, my concern for most anons is that they are having a hard time just staying afloat so they don't have the resources to dedicate themselves fully I'm hoping to keep rent low enough that people could work a part time job and work on the robowaifus. I'm thinking $400-500 a month and that would include bills. I don't like the idea of rent, but I need to be able to repair things when they breakdown and to weed out NEETs. I can also help people cut costs by doing basic automotive repairs (oil changes, spark plugs, belt replacements, ect)

>>38420 >I don't like the idea of rent, but I need to be able to repair things when they breakdown and to weed out NEETs. Yes, neets would be a problem (among many) and I don't think nearly enough anons talk about these things. I come to this site semi regularly but I cannot find myself fully identifying as a member of the community because of all of the optimism with little acknowledgement of the negative things that can/would/will happen. It makes me weary when I feel like there is almost a fear of addressing these things. Bringing a bunch of anons together is not going to be a utopian dream team. Lets say that a bunch of people did get together in real life as a fraternity or a company with all of the employees living under one roof or a similar situation, at the end of the day it's a gathering of people with a theoretically shared goal. Yes there will be neets and people who are supposedly helping with the movement, and they will almost certainly use the excuse of "being on our team" to stay and leech and make low effort work. They can say that their work is more "intangible" like creating art or being a writefag or low effort/quality coder and that's why they can't financially contribute as much, and even if nobody talks about it, everyone is going to know and it will be an issue that just festers until that anon gets kicked out, possibly starting a vendetta for him because he's petty and feels the need to get back at the people who "betrayed" him. Another big problem that I don't think can be avoided is the infighting that would happen. This community has a shared goal on paper but everyone's individual end goal is a little different based on their personal preferences and the paths that people want to take to reach those goals are even more so. You would think people would be above it but they are going to get personally offended if their particular product or development isn't used and someone else's is.

>>39522 Very apt observations and sociology. >low-effort people I think for that, we should invite people who already have put in some effort. That way, we already know about their contributions and work ethic. This potential applicant should also have multiple talents/focus. For example, I make memes and posters, but I also put in the effort into spreading them around, not to mention my actual robowaifu work. >This community has a shared goal on paper but everyone's individual end goal is a little different based on their personal preferences and the paths that people want to take to reach those goals are even more so. You would think people would be above it but they are going to get personally offended if their particular product or development isn't used and someone else's is. I wholeheartedly agree. I had a similar discussion a few months ago about the same topic. "A real life robowaifu" has different interpretations, with different goals and focuses. Any potential applicants should be reminded that they're working on a collaborative project, with the goals and focuses laid out beforehand. >"Sorry, we already have a robowaifu poet in the commune. You're working in the lithium mines"

>>39522 > I come to this site semi regularly but I cannot find myself fully identifying as a member of the community... You should post more often. You clearly are apt and world-wise. And this commune project is only a spinoff project