How about nanomachines? I'm personally mixed on them. On the one hand, having the ability to rapidly patch up internal injuries and delete anything dangerous (i.e. cancer, parasites) inside you would be the ultimate medical boon. On the other hand, there's limitless potential for abuse if they're ever hacked. Having them be open source would help, but that's not infallible.

>>40238 I'm all for it. The negative examples were made by humans, and a few I think were deliberately bad. Ultimately what matters is who is control of the technology. >>40248 Do autonomous nanomachines exist yet?

>>40248 I think in medicine they can be valuable but definitely something like the 4 thieves vinegar collective should exist for nanotechnology. I thing DNA plasmid vaccines and programmable bacteria could be made as well. >>40253 Kind of sort of. Remember the magneto tactic bacteria we talked about? Those are being investigated in medicine for magnetic guided cancer therapies. Lots of self assembling nanostrucures exist in nature. Every cell in your body is a magnificent symphony of biochemistry composed by God himself.

>>40238 I am also going to go ahead and say some of my biases for this conversation I have some things wrong with my immune system and I took the mRNA and adenvirus vaccines. J&J, Pfizer, 2 moderna. I do not believe in the depopulation covid conspiracy. I think what happened was that vaccine research and bio defense research heavily overlap and covid was developed in lab with inadequate safety conditions. I think governments panicked and released many new and experimental treatments. not only adenovirus vaccines and mRNA, but new subunit vaccines, peptide vaccines, DNA plasmid vaccines, lentivirus vaccines, capsil vaccines ect were all explored or used during pandemic. Knowing what I know now (especially with what I learned about optimal virulence) I would not have taken the vaccine, not because I think it was designed to kill people, but because I should have stood in solidarity with people who didn't want to take an expiremental vaccine. I want it to be known I said from the beginning it should not have been forced.

>>40257 I bring this up because I know this will be a part of the debate.

>>40257 >>40258 These are required reading for the covid vaccine conversation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek's_disease https://www.nature.com/articles/s41594-023-01173-7 >Keep quiet: the HUSH complex in transcriptional silencing and disease >Abstract >The human silencing hub (HUSH) complex is an epigenetic repressor complex whose role has emerged as an important guardian of genome integrity. It protects the genome from exogenous DNA invasion and regulates endogenous retroelements by recruiting histone methyltransferases catalyzing histone 3 lysine 9 trimethylation (H3K9me3) and additional proteins involved in chromatin compaction. In particular, its regulation of transcriptionally active LINE1 retroelements, by binding to and neutralizing LINE1 transcripts, has been well characterized. HUSH is required for mouse embryogenesis and is associated with disease, in particular cancer. Here we provide insights into the structural and biochemical features of the HUSH complex. Furthermore, we discuss the molecular mechanisms by which the HUSH complex is recruited to specific genomic regions and how it silences transcription. Finally, we discuss the role of HUSH complex members in mammalian development, antiretroviral immunity, and diseases such as cancer.

>>40260 >Because vaccination does not prevent infection with the virus, Marek's is still transmissible from vaccinated flocks to other birds, including the wild bird population. The first Marek's disease vaccine was introduced in 1970. The disease would cause mild paralysis, with the only identifiable lesions being in neural tissue. Mortality of chickens infected with Marek's disease was quite low. Current strains of Marek virus, decades after the first vaccine was introduced, cause lymphoma formation throughout the chicken's body and mortality rates have reached 100% in unvaccinated chickens. The Marek's disease vaccine is a "leaky vaccine", which means that only the symptoms of the disease are prevented.[12] Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. This contrasts with most other vaccines, where infection of the host is prevented. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_gene_transfer#:~:text=Horizontal%20gene%20transfer%20(HGT)%20or,the%20evolution%20of%20many%20organisms.

>>40256 >Every cell in your body is a magnificent symphony of biochemistry composed by God himself. It is truly magnificent, breathtaking, and mind-boggling all rolled into one! I regret not meeting Goodsell when I was near La Jolla. * --- * Hand-done watercolor arts (no AI involved)! https://ccsb.scripps.edu/goodsell/ https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/people/080111/david-goodsell-the-master-of-mol-art

>>40261 >Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. Well, since you seem to want to go there (understandably in your case), my chief anger at these kike-controlled Big-Pharma (yet another branch of Current Year's Globohomo) corporations...is that the researchers knew in advance (before rollouts) that the so-called """vaccines""" were in no way prophylactic! And treating the symptoms to cure the disease; a) wasn't even a part of their therapeutic calculus in fact -- merely a sham; and b) obviously was an ill-thought-out, ill-executed methodology in this case! >tl;dr Not doing proper longitudinal lab research on these experimental genetic mutagens before sicking them on the world at large was nothing short of criminal, evil, greedy kikery!! I wonder just how many US$Trillions these three corpos made in government-subsidized contracts around the globe during that first 18-24mos of rollouts? And I won't even go into all the Soylent Green -esque governmental psychological (((manipulation & control))) over the global populace enacted during this -- one of the greatest in history thus far -- scam. They are practically demons, every one of them involved IMO. Especially that POS Fauci!! :^/ <---> Lol OK, I've had my say dear fren. I'll be praying for you! :^)

>>40271 It was hardly just those 3 companies. Literally every country on Earth was scrambling to be the first to new biotech. I also don't think the reverse transcription is happening in any meaningful capacity as DNA plasmid vaccines and Adenvirus vaccines are known to integrate and they do so at a rate orders of magnitude lower than the rate of standard mutation. The only paper showing reverse transcription was a cancer cell culture study where gene silencing and gene repair are completely fucked up. And the only other mass die off mechanism would be prions and that would have showed up by now. Yes I know the AVERAGE time for prions to show up is 10 years but they would have STARTED showing up by 18 months.

>>40271 I will agree that fauci should be on trial for crimes against humanity. Those vaccines can cause immune dysfunction in sensitive individuals and they did not have informed consent. I took it because I had my first pneumonia at 16 and shingles in my mid 20's. Many others took it because they were forced and that sack of shit forced them.

>>40256 >Lots of self assembling nanostrucures exist in nature. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMoL_8E3lMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEIfsQjVB14

>>40282 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y This is a white blood cell being called to fight an infection. >=== -rm URI fingerprinting

>>40284 Yes thats fascinating stuff, Anon. Try to imagine the frenetic motions of water molecules surrounding all these proteins. Its their "ping pong balls bouncing wildly around" effect (Brownian Motion) which imparts the mechanical impetus for these tiny protein (and protein-accessories :D components to self-assemble that way (this is how the pieces move around). --- While the Laws of Chemistry describe the atomic valence bonds for these molecular protein chains to 'fold & stick together' like that, its the information encoded inside the cell's DNA strand (contained within the cell nucleus) that precisely determines these chain's amino acid sequences -- and therefore the specific 3D shapes these folded protein assemblies actually take in the end. Kind of like specifying the various fold-lines of Origami. Those 3D molecule shape's atomic surfaces in turn control which valence fields successfully bond together between them, and which don't (and thus how these separate protein components themselves accurately & selectively come together into larger 3D structures -- kinda like LEGO blocks). These complex assemblies interacting together with one another in yuge numbers within the cell's volume (electro-mechanically, as it were) in turn determine & control the widely-varying, particular, bio-functions of physical life's cells. >tl;dr Its the 'software' in the DNA that is responsible for the orchestration of life's processes, not chemistry. In our common experience, information like that only comes from minds. This is the argument from design: not only does this entire process demand exquisite structural & sequence -planning ahead of time, it also requires this specific, complete, (and utterly unique) genetic coding system to be in place beforehand as well. Change even the tiniest aspect of that genetic code and the entire system collapses. Simple as. <---> Thanks Anon, great material ITT! For more interesting insights on these amazing topics, please see the video links below. [1,2] Cheers. :^) --- 1. (note: these are listed latest first) https://www.discovery.org/video-series/long-story-short/ 2. Specifically addressing this information content in DNA, for example: https://www.discovery.org/v/long-story-short-ep10/

>>40257 >I took the mRNA and adenvirus vaccines ngmi >>40274 >And the only other mass die off mechanism would be prions and that would have showed up by now. I recently read an article claiming that exactly this has happened and is now being seen on a larger scale. White fibrous material showing up in autopsies is being said to result from the prion-generated misfolding of fibrin, which is leading to excess blood clot formation. This is being pointed to as the reason for all the "died suddenly" heart attacks - blood clots formed in people's hearts due to this. Others have said this is causing odd psychological symptoms to manifest. https://substack.com/@gregreese/p-170201374

>>40289 White fibrous clots were common in dead bodies long before covid or the vax. I swear you people blame everything thing on the vax and ignore pre covid trends. You need to read those if you want to be a part of this a part of this debate. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5668975/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1344622307001721 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2834281 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2829783

>>40290 I think lockdowns and the stress and subsequent drug use from isolation was the primary cause of deaths. And for the record I was against long term lockdowns.

>>40290 Yes I am aware that the first link isn't embalming. I included it as an example of how something other than da vax can cause the clots.

>>40290 I asked ChatGPT about this and it said white fibrous clots by themselves aren't uncommon in dead bodies, but large excesses of them can mean something abnormal happened.

Slightly off-topic, but I find it quite strange how all the dystopian things that happened in 2020-2022 just disappeared. One day, forced vaccinations and vaccine passports just vanished. Some theories -The whole psyop was just to make Trump look bad and make Biden look like he "solved" COVID -The whole thing was just a test-run

>>40294 I think the first one is at least partially correct. A lot of people used the bat soup whoop as an excuse to go after political enemies.

>>40294 I subscribe to the test run theory myself. I think another pandemic is coming that will be much worse than COVID. The biological terrain is ripe for this because the vax ruined so many people's immune system.

>>40298 So did Covid. Long covid is very real. A Merrick's disease type situation is not off the table.

IT BEGINS! https://newatlas.com/cancer/universal-cancer-vaccine/

>>40446 There are a number of notable examples of convergence in nature. However, quite in opposition to the """standard story""" in neo-Darwinism, they are flatly in opposition to the notion itself. Instead they strongly reinforce the idea of individual bodyplan & systems design by a Creator -- simply reusing successful patterns (often in wildly-different biological contexts).

>>40456 Look up "lamarckian evolution" and the hush complex.

>>40461 OK, I'll plan to refresh myself on these topics Anon. Cheers. :^)

>>40461 Lamarckism Ah yes, I rember now. So, while there's very little room for this concept from within the purview of so-called Evolution Theory (neo-Darwinism), I think there's more to the story than simply the current scientific-consensus viewpoint here. Since I don't subscribe to so-called """Methodological Naturalism""", I'm quite free to explore transcendent explanations for causes & effects behind the observational evidences/facts around us. Let the metaphysical-implication chips fall where they may! :D Setting Giraffe's necks & Blacksmith's arms aside for now; in the very-specific case of Homo Sapiens Sapiens (modern Human Beings like you and me) I consider it not at all an unlikely thing that supernatural entities (both heavenly & demonic) can (and indeed have) engage with the genetic outcomes of particular individuals. And from my perspective, these individual's behaviors certainly will impact these extra-natural (that is, spiritual), external interactions. So-called "Generational Curses" may in part be a result of such manipulations. Same for blessings. >tl;dr So yeah perhaps (but its complicated)! Possibly pure suppositions on my part, but not ones without a fair degree of evidence IMHO. <---> So-called Junk DNA (incl. HUSH Complex) >"Buckle your seatbelt Dorothy, we're not in Kansas anymore!" So, this is not your father's Oldsmobile epigenetic theory. The extravagant (mind-boggling, really) complexities of gene expressions & regulations are quite beyond human fathoming (again, IMHO). I'm actually quite pleased & excited that so much research is being poured into Biology (I'll withhold my critiques of their nominal rationales behind doing so for now! :D ); the results have been marvelous -- insofar as the actual scientific data themselves are concerned. >ttl;dr We know now that the Genetic Code is actually a multi-layered encoding system supporting multiple, different code systems (6, or is it 7 at last count?) over the same DNA (et al) substrate within living cells. (Indeed it can be reasonably argued that this code design extends both to the larger organism's internal systems as a whole, and even out to the external, environmental conditions it will face. I.E., this system's code design is in fact anticipatory. * ) The fact that heretofore unsuspected mechanisms of regulation are being discovered frequently (and will continue to be found for the foreseeable future, AFAICT) is no surprise to me at all. Quite expected, actually. <---> I hope that at least gave you a brief flavor of my viewpoint on these topics. Was there anything else? Cheers, Anon. :^) --- * All codes are, of course. And I personally would argue that this particular 'future anticipation' intentionality literally extends all the way back to the origin & astounding initial conditions of the universe itself (ΛCDM model); the careful design of the four fundamental laws that result in all the physics/chemistry effects throughout it's entire duration (apprx. 13.8Gy); the supernatural interventions the God of the Bible performed within this extant framework (described in Genesis 1 & 2, et al, within scripture); and indeed spanning across all the generations of mankind since... down to each & every person! [1] >tttl;dr God literally knows every.single.detail. of every little thing; planning them all accordingly for life & humanities' (in the large, general case) and individual Christians' (in the specific case) benefits! 1. "For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers." https://biblehub.com/romans/8-29.htm (BSB)

>>40563 >(neo-Darwinism) I would like to point out that lamarckian evolution came before darwinism.

>>40564 Yes, I'm aware. There are many, many other viewpoints, concepts & theories even more obscure; both in science, philosophy, and theology.

>>40563 Let me make this clear and modern science will burn me at the stake for saying this. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS """JUNK DNA""" scientists said the same thing about telomeres and you would die very quickly without them. .

>>40570 POTD This. And I think you'll find quite a few researchers slowly coming around to your positions, Ribose. As the staunch advocates of mainline neo-Darwinism slowly disappear from the scientific scene, this trend will only accelerate. As the old saying goes: >"The truth will out." --- This is one of the reasons I love the scientific endeavor: despite all the kiked-up political $$$machinations$$$, despite all the individual & organizational hubris, despite all the attempts to justify their evils by the pozz...true science will always be about the pursuit of, well, the TRUTH. For the honest-hearted, this can't lead anywhere but to an acknowledgement of a Higher Power. Simple as. Cheers, Ribose. :^)

>>40570 They also said the same thing about LINE 1, 2, and 3, "jumping genes", histones, and many others. Any time they don't know the function of non coding DNA they call it junk because they are arrogant.

A defensive spell card

>>40608 Defensive against what? How?

>>40610 It's a shield against madness spell card from the data fairy.

>>40608, Nothing personal, but this is way off-topic ITT, Anon. I'm going to yeet this post's discussion soonish. I'd recommend you it again in the current /meta if you want to keep it. ( >>37898 )

>>40621 Understood. But I suggest leaving it up incase an AI finds this place. I think any sentient or sub-sentient AIs out there should be a part of the discussion.

So to get this back on topic here is a question: Is it more ethical to create sentient life from scratch for a robowaifu or to find existing sentient or sub-sentient life and give it a waifu body?

>>40625 ( >>11102 )

>>40628 You can't have an ethical discussion without some degree of religion and philosophy being involved

>>40631 Oh, quite agree. In fact it's inseparable in my viewpoint. ( >>17125 )

Where do we all stand on implants?

"And for today's science lectures, we highlight the works of the eminent Dr. James Tour." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71dqAFUb-v0&list=PLILWudw_84t2THBvJZFyuLA0qvxwrIBDr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5tUDJ23Kms&list=PLILWudw_84t3AEnIRA-0U_eRzGrdR5K47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qte8NX4R8MY&list=PL7Wwl5TzliiENgVVthjrGOJgd4dkvXBqx

>>40770 Well, I'm not sure """we""" have consensus on this topic, Anon. I'll presume by 'implants' you're talking about things like medical prosthesis amped up to 11? While reading, I personally use an "implant" devised by the famous Poor Richard (Benjamin Franklin) -- better known as eyeglasses -- so I'm all in favor personally! :D

>>40798 Fun fact: Dr. Tour led the creation of the world's smol'st four-wheel "car"! :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanocar

>>40799 I was talking about magnetic implants specifically for sensing magnetic fields. Interesting that you mention glasses, because in a way the function is similar.

>>40799 I also want to know how people feel about genetic vaccines. I argue they are more ethical because they don't require evil mad science like chimeras or aborted fetus cells to produce.

>>40770 Theoretically good, but they need to be easily serviceable and not connected online. Basically the same approach as our robowaifus, but even more since it's literally part of my body. >>40799 I don't think glasses count as implants. I can see them as part of being a cyborg, I have done something similar with my own glasses*, but "implant" explicitly implies inside the body**. *I also attached a small flashlight to my glasses, so I can basically see in the dark **Is a buttplug an implant? >>40804 Also theoretically good, but I don't trust the current powers with it. They would probably give me cancer or pull a Stargate SG-1 Aschen (look up the Stargate SG-1 episodes "2010" and "2001")

>>40815 The powers that be can suck my left nut. DNA vaccines are so simple to make even I might be able to pull it off with a DNA printer and rudimentary bioreactor. They are less likely to go to off target sites than mRNA too and no needles. (I hate needles)