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Handhelds Anonymous 04/05/2023 (Wed) 16:20:27 No.2130
So Soyny is making a new handheld console that requires constant internet and can only work via remote play off a PS5 - https://archive.is/H63Pt But enough about horrible flops, what is the best handheld system? What are your favorite games?
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a reminder that vita is the best portable console ever made and sony complete shat the bed with its support, like missing the messiah
>>2131 It's actually ironic that Snoy was treating Vita not dissimilar to >>2130 So they learned nothing.
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Was it good?
>>2144 Decent handheld, a lot of games made for it. But the shoehorned gimmick is mostly a pain in the ass.
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man, chinese are flooding the market with handhels
>>2131 The only problem with the Vita is that since it stopped with any online support or whatever it was. It was actually annoying to make a new account to the handheld, now. But the Vita was a great console and thankfully there are still allot of games on the Vita, so one can look for random stuff. >>2144 Yes, the DS was a great handheld or it so happens to have great games. >>2145 that is the only thing that sucks that some games have gimmicks and others do not, and the stupid pen is so easy to lose.
>>2150 >since it stopped with any online support or whatever it was Obviously, they dropped support for Vita faster than an average nigger drops his son. But I never used it anyway, you should never rely on online anything. >that is the only thing that sucks that some games have gimmicks and others do not The only decent usage of the gimmick was when they displayed menus in games and you didn't have to bring them up. But most other games had to force the interaction with both screens in one way or another and it was mostly shite.
>>2148 Are they at least good? I remember there were some chinese PSP bootlges on par or even better than the original.
>>2157 i know some chink ones have better screens/battery life
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PSP was the coolest thing. Nothing portable will ever be as good again. Sad.
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>>2193 I miss my psp
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>>2194 I just want to play my Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection in subway.
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did you know about the NES Express? https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OdjFvMGZCa8
>>2196 BIG
>>2197 THICK
>>2193 >>2194 i had a pink PSP but it was still fun
>>2193 The D-pad on these things suck dick. Digs into my thumbs. People only liked the handheld Sony consoles because they were the dumping ground for low budget weebshit.
>>2211 >The D-pad on these things suck dick. Digs into my thumbs. It's literally the same d-pad as on the dualshock. >People only liked the handheld Sony consoles because they were the dumping ground for low budget weebshit. Wrong. That only applies to Vita, PSP had one of the best libraries of any console, not portable - any console, including mainline entries into many big-name series.
what's the point of hendhelds now when phones exist?
>>2239 What's the point of PCs when phones exist?
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>>2264 >what's the point of a thing 3 times more powerful than another thing and with a completely different control method
>>2265 Well, there you go.
>>2271 What you go?
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>>2282 Why is MC even trying to stay in the console business? They're outsold by Snoy like 3:1 and by Soytendo 2:1. Just focus on PC vidya jfc.
>>2284 nobody is buying pc games, the money are on soysoles
>>2333 Trips confirm.
>>2282 how can you make a portable console when you don't have games even on your regular console
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>>2483 I'm pretty much steering clear of anything Soyny. Shame really since I used to be an avid Playstation supporter back when they were still a Japanese company.
>>2486 >overhyped movie game trash sold on it's legacy >overhyped movie game trash sold on it's legacy that sold poorly >i don't know what the third one is That absolute state of soynytrannies.
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>>2491 >i don't know what the third one is They all qualify by your description so I can't even tell which one you meant.
>>2193 The sensation of finally being able to take a console-quality game on the go was something else.
i still see people with Vita, how common is this?
>>2960 Not that common but they are out there, probably the best emulation machine on the go along with the PSP.
>>2962 Definitely better than the PSP on the account of having two analog sticks.
>>2968 most pre-PSP games didn't have dual analog stick support anyway
>>2131 what was with the dumb back panel touch screen?
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>>2196 Interesting. I've never heard of this. >>2211 I liked the PSP because of all the homebrew content that was available for it. There were some DS games I liked and all, but the fact that the PSP could run emulators really won me over. The way the DS lacked backwards compatibility with Game Boy and Game Boy Color games really chapped my hide. >>2239 Because phones are homo. It makes more sense to get hardware made with doing a specific task in mind and doing it well.
>>2131 Vita4life anon!
>>4441 iirc you can homebrew DS into emulating but of course it's still a far cry from PSP regardless. Hell, you can probably get PSP to run DS games.
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what went wrong?
>>4562 Gaymers have been trained to have zero standards. The thought of gaming being dead and creativity being dead is just too much for them too depressing for them to confront. All it takes is some influencer they like to say PREORDER NAOW and they snap to it.
>>4566 >Gaymers have been trained to have zero standards Quite the opposite, they've been conditioned to hold garbage in high esteem.
>>4562 with the vita? allot of things went wrong, it was overpriced in Japan and worldwide in general, had it's own memory storage and the device has to be on the internet, one account per unit only and allot more things. When it comes to the new machine. it is just trying to be a Nintendo Switch without the plus of a cartridge. >>4566 actually gaymers are now known as players, now. and they say it unironically. Also shills have shilled ubisoft sandbox games, cod and other stuff for so long that any other game that goes against that grain is seen as bad. So games that might evolve the gaming genre or be an actual game, is attacked by game developers, shills and other professionals. So vidya is in a strange stagnant thing, and indie devs are also stagnant because they just want to crank out a game and make a franchise without putting work into it.
>>4587 >with the vita? no
>>4562 Handhelds are just a meme now, they used to be a very desirable piece of hardware that you can take with you but now with the advent of smartphones there's no real use for them in the eyes of the general populace other than some memberberry pandering...
>>4759 that's why i think they'll turn switch in a phone next
>>4762 *into
>>4765 PSP > Vita. Prove me wrong without mentioning emulation.
>>4839 I like both tbh.
>>4844 Obviously. PSP is the superior console tho.
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Um, Lenevobros?
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>>5079 Can it run Skyrim?
>>5088 even a fridge can
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Thoughts on 3DS?
>>5858 I hate it.
>>5858 the first truly useless gimmick and a sign of things to come
>>5892 2DS was the best to play on unironically.
>>5893 You mean just DS?
>>5894 There were some good games for 2DS, I enjoyed Senran Kagura and Monster Hunter on there.
>>5895 DS was okay but a children's toy compared to the big dick PSP
>>5897 All video games are children's toys, but Nintendo's especially.
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>>5906 >All video games are children's toys
>>5897 PSP and PS Vita were the shit. Offtopic but I love this board and the comfy discussion /kong/ bros.
>>5911 Good to have you, anon.
>>5909 There is zero reason to be upset over that post.
>>5911 Looks like every other /v/ to me with stupid shit like >>5909 and the same whiny gripes about the same shit.
>>5924 wanna play atario games in my gabario
>>5924 You aren't gonna get banned for stupid shit and your free to have a nice discussion about vidya and the decline of vidya culture.
>>5923 >>5924 >seething so hard had to reply twice lmao
>>5924 Then fuck off from here kindly.
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>>6406 wow another shitty infograph to add to the pile
>>6408 not an argument
>>6409 Please provide evidence of your claims in the form of an essay listing how and why each game killed it's respective series, the series previous success and direction, and potentially how the series might have fared with a different game.
>>6410 You disagreed with the pic's statement without providing any argument, so please provide evidence of your claims in the form of an essay listing how and why each game didn't killed it's respective series, the series previous success and direction, and potentially how the series might have fared with a different game.
>>6411 You disagreed with my disagreement without providing an argument for my argument so please provide evidence of your claims in the form of an essay listing how and why you disagree with my statement, my statement's effect on your own statement, the previous success and direction of previous arguments you've had using the image infograph, and potentially how you might have fared with a different attitude towards life?
>>6414 >You disagreed with my disagreement I didn't, I made a statement. The burden of disagreement is on you. I'm waiting for the essay.
>>6415 No, you made a claim, of which we are still awaiting proof of.
>>6416 you wanted pictorial proof, here it is!
>>6417 >says he has proof >It's only a claim Why does White Jesus allow this?
>>6416 That don't look like no essay. We're waiting.
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I am seriously interested in the new Playstation Portal/remote play machine. to test it, and to play vidya in bed. >>6758 I remember this dumb phone. Kinda sucks that Soynu didn't make more phones like it.
>>7600 >I am seriously interested in the new Playstation Portal/remote play machine. to test it, and to play vidya in bed. just buy steam deck
>>7597 Why not just keep making Vitas?
>>7621 Because Sony turned to Snoy during Vita years.
>>7616 Sure, I could get steam deck or rog ally but I am not really interested in trying out these computers larping as handheld gaming machines. With Playstation Portal you buy it connect to the ps5 and the PS5 is streaming to the PS Portal, thus i can play ps5 games in bed. Which is the appeal for me personally. >>7621 There is a few thing on why but one of them is that the Vita only got a niche audience, like in the west it was only hardcore japanese gaming fans that bought it, and what it had of users in Japan was only from being a port dump machine. So the niche wasn't profitable enough for Sony,and as >>7623 said at that time Sony also change gaming headquarters from Japan to Los Angeles, and that had significant change in that they closed Japan Studios, literally many great devs are now indie or have jumped ship to other companies because of it. The other depressing thing is that many Japanese devs have just jumped from vita to switch, and going to do the same when switch 2 comes.
>>7627 >but I am not really interested in trying out these computers larping as handheld gaming machines. Then why you're interested in Playstation Portal/remote play machine?
>>7627 >There is a few thing on why but one of them is that the Vita only got a niche audience, like in the west it was only hardcore japanese gaming fans that bought it, and what it had of users in Japan was only from being a port dump machine. Because Sony treated it at as portable PS3, with main focus being on cross titles (you still had to buy the Vita version of the game tho) and there was basically no effort to fertilize the organic gaming scene. Only a few niche AA jap companies made games for it of their own accord.
>>7629 >Because Sony treated it at as portable PS3 could have been cool
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>>5858 I love it, but the 3d was unneeded
>>8551 But that's literally the entire gimmick of it.
>>8552 It could've just been released without it, and it would've sold better in the beginning... ...Which is what Kiketendo did like 5 years too late
So, I've got a Sega Game Gear that used to belong to my Dad. He doesn't give a shit about it anymore. As a matter of fact, he gave so few shits, he had stored it with the batteries still inside, which had long since burst. Any advice on how I can salvage it?
>>8561 It only sold at all because of the gimmick, like all Soytendo products.
>>8564 With batteries inside, it's almost certainly toasted.
>>8568 Fuck. I’ll still see what I can do, I don’t want to give up on it just yet.
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>>8819 is this real?
>>8820 It could be. Some of the new Ryzen chips have integrated graphics that are better than most midrange graphics cards and are fairly low power. If I ever upgrade my laptop (one i have now is from around 2016 era with discrete graphics) I might actually go with integrated graphics.
>>8821 >>8819 Sony already had 'portable PS3' with Vita and did absolutely squat with it, completely wasting its potential and basically allowing it to die. I don't see Snoy being any different.
>>8823 I agree, but they probably have seen nintendo's success and all the portables that are popular now and want to get in on it. Snoy is not exactly a trendsetter anymore. They follow and try to blend in.
>>8824 The only reason Shitch got so popular is because you can doc that fucker in your living room and continue to play Soyda off the same disc, or whatever the fuck Shitch uses. I can't image this PSP2 using blurays, so it's gonna be streaming games off the console, like Vita could do as well. Or you would have to buy another version of the game, just like with Vita again. Both are terrible, third world solutions in comparison to what Soytendo is offering.
>>8825 I'm sure psp2 would have some kind of video out as well as bluetooth for controller hookup. Probably an optional dock. I don't know how they're going to avoid shooting themselves in the foot if they try to make it a full blown ps5 replacement (because then it would be directly competing with their own flagship product, unless it was just really expensive so people still would buy ps5s, and then they still will have trouble competing with soytendo). So maybe it will never happen. They had a sweet spot with vita since it was it's own thing and they should have nurtured that but they pissed it away and now they are stuck with no good way to get into portable market. No one but the biggest consoomer would want their stream only portable.
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>>8826 PSP worked because it was released at the right moment during the golden age of gaming where most games were AA titles from small teams, so PSP's library was full of unique standalone titles. It kinda was like PS2-2, many people were basically making a choice between the two. But nowadays where every game is a bloated AAAAA open world monstrosity ain't no fucking way will anyone make exclusive games for your handheld, so the only option is to do what Soytendo did, BUT, there you're getting both things at the price of one, that's kinda the point. So whatever PSP2 is using to ran games from PS4/PS5, you basically need to buy another console to play those games on the go, it's literally Vita2 but they're calling it PSP2 because everyone loved that one and it was a success lol, 'member PSP.
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just look at this pile.
>>8909 what's the one under Vita?
>>8915 Shitch Lite?
>>8909 >the only good handheld on top As it should be
>>8916 Looks like a bootleg.
>>8918 But Vita is not on top there.
>>8920 Because thats the worst handheld ever made
>>8940 3DS is right under it.
>>8909 PSP has the best design.
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>>8987 Kino.
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Zoomers are getting nostalgic for the PSP.
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What does the n stand for?
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>>9036 This is never happening but could Xbox compete in handheld market?
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>>8568 Game Gear anon here. I was able to clean the corrosion off, but that didn't seem to be the problem. So I opened the fucker up, and found that 4 capacitors inside had burst at some point. I don't know jack shit about soldering, but I could give the affected circuit to my dad, he probably would know what to do if I buy replacement capacitors. With how long the capacitor corrosion sit on the surface, am I still fucked?
>>9144 >am I still fucked? Likely. Also soldering capacitors on complex motherboards is virtually not a thing, this isn't a radio.
>>9036 to play what games?
>>9144 By "burst" you make it sound like these are aluminum electrolytic caps, which, in the world of PCB components are relatively huge and easy to solder/desolder, SMD or through-hole. Post pics and I can probably walk you through finding out what values they are and replacing them. t. electrical engineer not afraid to take an iron to 0402 parts without magnification unlike this bitch >>9145
>>9150 One fried Game Gear coming up.
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>>9150 The capacitors that burst were actually quite small. They gave little to no resistance when I ripped them off. This is the nastiness they left on the board.
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>>9157 >actually quite small Compare them to the little brown ceramic caps nearby, C4 and C8. Those look like 0603 size, which is quite small for beginners maybe. The ones you removed are relatively large, like I said they'd be. Which is good for you, because now you've got some PCB surgery on your hands. Get a soldering iron and some solder, and see just how much, if any of those pads are left on the board. Not gonna lie, it doesn't look good. One should never "rip off" components from a PCB, ever. They need to be properly heated and desoldered or you risk: losing the solder pads, which it looked like you may have done here, lifting and breaking traces, bending the board and breaking internal traces or creating cracks in nearby solder joints. Just don't. Anyway, if you're still dedicated to this thing, it can be saved. See my pic for a possible fix using leaded electrolytics laid on their sides to hopefully fit in the same vertical space as the old SMDs. You can either scrape solder mask off of the remaining traces to get a point to solder to, or, you can find a component lead on the same net, as I highlight in a few places. As for your replacement parts, I found documentation here that has everything you need - https://gamesx.com/wiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=schematics:service_manual_-_game_gear_va1.pdf See section 8-3-3, "Sound Circuit Board" for the parts we're talking about here. You're not gonna find those mid-90s Japanese parts anywhere though, but I can find you modern equivalents if you want. These are bulk capacitors used for power regulation and maybe some audio filtering stuff IDK I didn't really look, but they're not critical components in the sense that we need to match ESR or they gotta be CG0 or something or it won't work. Any cap with the same capacitance and voltage range will work here. Let me know if you want to try to tackle it.
Anon if you actually fix this thing on your own, you will be the greatest gaymer of all times.
>>9145 >>9154 >>9162 Fixing this is like the electronics version of making a PB&J sandwich. They should be teaching it in schools.
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Something I should have asked first - does it work? Did you try putting new batteries in and turning it on? This sound sub-assembly seems to be analog output only, and it being broken or even missing should not prevent you from turning the thing on and playing - you just won't have sound. How do the power supply and main PCB look? Any burst caps or heavy corrosion there?
>>9164 It's not hard to solder. To solder and make it actually work is the challenge because usually something goes tits up, even just by looking at stuff like techmoan.
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>>9164 not everyone has this type of screwdriver
>>9169 Or soldering gun, or soldering shit, and many other shit to fix this. You need to buy all this. Quite an investment.
>>9170 >>9169 was a joke; you're an idiot. >Quite an investment. A servicable iron, solder, flux, desolder braid, and a tip cleaner will run you less than a triple-ayy game these days.
>>9171 >instead of buying a game buy all this crap that will do you no good unless you're an engineer and who's an idiot here
>>9172 you fail to realize this is the darksouls of gaming
>>9165 It does turn on, but the screen is just white.
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psp should have stayed in production indefinitely. perfect system for low-medium budget jarpigs, VNs, arpgs etc. you literally do not need more
>>9413 True.
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>>9425 talk about being late to the party, the only reason Shits is popular is because you can play the same shitty underpowered game as back at home
>>9425 To play what games? Just emulation?
>>9425 That's a big handheld.
>>9484 for you

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