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The origins of localizations Anonymous 05/19/2023 (Fri) 15:28:27 No.3043
Is it possible that one fucking faggot from California and his company is responsible for this hideous practice of disrespecting the source material? Victor Ireland co-founded Wrecking Designs in 1990, during a time when most English vidya translations were sub-par machine translations mixed with some poor salary man trying his best with what little English knowledge he gained in Japanese high school. They took the western gaming scene by storm with their translations that actually read like proper English. Little did vidya enthusiasts know back then, that this egomaniac faggot didn't just translate the Japanese games he brought over, he actually made them into his own. So imagine this, you want to translate Japanese video games but the translators you hired aren't good enough so what do you do? Just make shit up and insert a bunch of shitty jokes everywhere and call it From former Wrecking Designs translator Tim Trzepacz: >The thing to remember is that Working Designs had really terrible translators until I came along. They were hiring some company out of San Francisco and the translators there didn’t really know English. They could translate the Japanese, but they didn’t really understand what the idiom was they were translating to. And everything was coming out of a spreadsheet so it wasn’t even in context. Japanese is a very context-sensitive language. So to a certain degree [Working Designs co-founder Victor Ireland] had no choice but to make things up as he went, because he had very little to go on. When I came in, I brought in two well-known fan-translators, C. Sue Shambaugh and Richard Kim, who ratcheted up the quality of the translations tremendously. Now things made sense! But by then Victor kinda already had his process down, he liked rewriting it and adding the comedy in. https://archive.md/TPVZX To quote the faggot himself: >Oh this script is really boring, let me put some funny stuff in here. So I would insert funny lines that really had nothing to do with what was going on. And that sort of evolved. I continued doing that, did more of it, and people generally liked it [because] they were seeing writing that they never saw in Japanese-localized or translated games, like ‘Holy crap, this is amazing’. Source https://archive.md/K5cvw Here's one of the most famous examples of localization from Lunar 2 on the Sega CD: >Girlie, if I were in the position to throw away cash on bums, you'd call me Clinton and I'd be president. I can't find the Japanese line online and I don't feel like searching through the Japanese script, but I assure you it's probably not a shitty Clinton joke. If you want more examples of "localization" just check out these articles: https://archive.md/o/238P9/https://tcrf.net/Lunar:_The_Silver_Star%23Regional_Differences https://archive.md/o/238P9/https://tcrf.net/Lunar:_Eternal_Blue/Regional_Differences Wrecking Designs is also notorious for implementing various gameplay changes (which I'm glad most localizers didn't follow the example of) which they apparently did to combat people abusing store return systems, by beating games very quickly and then returning them to the store. This is mostly hearsay, so it could just be that Victor is a faggot that doesn't just want to rewrite "his games", he wants to redesign them as well. Anyhow, the commercial success of the localizations by Wrecking Designs influenced Japanese developers and vidya translators to follow suit and start localizing their games as well. This gave birth to glorious localizations like Persona 1 and the Ace Attorney series. At the turn of the century localizations started petering out due to various forms of criticism against these types of botched translations (most likely because of the Internet becoming more available). Things went mostly okay until the great decline of 2007 when vidya became mainstream. Now most Japanese games brought over have some form of localization in them ranging from shitty meme jokes to cut content in the name of making things more "palatable for western audiences". We still get the occasional non localized Japanese games like the Legend of Heroes series, Nier Automata and Persona 5. Sadly it has also spread to animu after the death of fansubbing, with localized Crunchyroll memesubs dominating the subtitle market. So what happened to Wrecking Designs and that faggot? Well Wrecking Designs died in 2006 and came back as Gaijinworks which hasn't really localized much except for Miami Law, Class of Heroes and Summon Night 5 & 6. Their glory days are long gone, but the damage they did to vidya still lingers to this day. What do you think the future will bring us when it comes to vidya translations and the horrors of localizations?
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>>3043 >What do you think the future will bring us when it comes to vidya translations and the horrors of localizations? Hard to say how bad it'll get before or even if it gets better. We've already been seeing "localizers" literally making shit up for years. The infamous Fire Emblem thing where the two ninjas are just '...'ing at each other, but in the jap version they're actually having a conversation comes to mind. My guess is we'll be seeing entire script rewrites that have nothing to do with the original story eventually. Just assume every game is compromised until proven otherwise and pirate accordingly.
>>3047 Globohomo is getting extremely vitriol as of late. Just look at something like the Yidsney CGI remakes, at first they were just generic studio flicks with one nigger somewhere in the background; now they're mad with seethe, rewriting everything, changing literally everyone to niggers, doing anything to spite the straight white man. That is the future of all western media. In gaming terms look at Forespoken, an equivalent of a Yidsney remake. And what is a localization if not a remake of a script to them.
>>3044 This. However, AI will literally destroy loocalizers completely, their time is up.
>>3054 It will not because AI will be outlawed soon and only corporation will be allowed to use it. Even if they will replace loocalizers with it, they will tune it to be just as bad.
>>3043 why was this allowed?
So this is the reason my nepu nepu was butchered?
>>3250 What happened there?
>>3256 NISA america raped nepu nepu dub and subs with retarded gay memes and (((Americanization))) bullshit. I know most anons don't care and hate dubs but I try them every now and than just to see how they are and to see how they turned my nepu nepu from her cute genki girl self into a meme spouter with no other personality compared to her true self was kinda sad tbh. It was also annoying how much they raped the subs and when Idea factory told NISA to fuck off with their gay esjaydoubleUU shit and made their own thing NISA removed gust and Nisa herself from the games forevermore. On top of all this all the retarded (((localizers))) moved to IDEA factory international and ruined every other Nepuntia dub/subs until Megadimension Neptune.
>>3257 That type of bullshit stems directly from Working Designs, yeah. N*SA is like their poster child.
>>3054 >Globohomo corporate localizations will totally be BTFO by globohomo corporate AI one day, just you wait! Terminally online take. Have you planted your garden yet? It's almost June.
>>3263 I am actually trying to prepare a garden along with more long-term vargposting as we speak anon, not the anon you are responding to but I feel as if the globo-homo fags will simply utilize the globo-homo AI to make their lives easier and to make destroying games easier.
>>3241 Take a (((guess)))
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Let's discuss some of their biggest blunders. Shining Wisdom is a 1995 Zelda clone by Camelot. In case you didn't know, it's set in the same universe as the Shining series (you'd think this is obvious, but it's is very important for what's to come!) Sega of Europe produced an in-house localization for it, and just like Soleil / Crusader of Centy, Sega of America was wary of publishing it themselves, so they shopped it around to different publishers expecting one that simply edits it for American English and typos and release it overseas. They went with Working Designs. You may have heard of Bernie Stolar. A sabotage professional who headed Sony of America for a while (and orchestrated a staff exodus of employees from Sega of America to SCEA) who was fired because he kept rejecting major games for being "too 2D" (including fucking Crash Bandicoot, who got its entire animated cutscenes removed, and was delayed 9 months on top of that with zero communication as of why). Sega for some reason hired him to finish them off. Before that time, Sony courted Camelot, who was increasingly dissatisfied with its deteriorating relationship with Sega. As a result, Beyond the Beyond appeared on the PS1 in 1995, and Bernie approved it despite being 2D specifically because it harms Sega) While Working Designs was "working" on its Saturn offerings, they had arguments with Bernie Stolar, then head of Sega of America. Their ragequit on English Lunar 1 Saturn was known, but what they did with stuff that DID release was stunning. I'll spare you the case of Magical Knight Rayearth when they argued with the US show licensors about used terminology, further delaying the game (they admit as much on its manual). What they did on Shining Wisdom was stunning.
>>3456 learning nip is the only way
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this shit keeps happening only now in real time
>>4060 AI says otherwise.
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>>4080 shamefur dispray
>>4080 Pathetic, only reason I play skullgirls is to look at filias fine ass.
>>4632 you can do that without playing it
>>3043 >What do you think the future will bring us when it comes to vidya translations and the horrors of localizations? AI-sama will heal the industry.
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>tfw you know nip good enough
>>3456 You just know all of these people trooned out come the CY. I'm being serious.
>>4749 hopefully most 51%'d
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Wrecking Designs never left.
>>5161 pure lookalization
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>>5418 What's a little bizarre if you think about it for one second, the highly-degenerate state of affairs with Leftists in general, and Feminists in particular, has led us to Current Year of Western localizations. That is, a type of so-called neoPuritanism where only they dictate to the masses what is """moral""" or no -- and that certainly doesn't include normal, healthy, vanilla love-interests! The absolute state of judeo-clown-world.
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>>5444 I miss pantsu in video games. Now you have to look at manginas.
>>5445 A 'mangina' is not a sexual organ anon; it's a soyim, a soygoy, a feminist-swalloping faggot of the faggot soyim soygoy persuasion. My guess is baste Russia gamedevs aren't afraid of a little pantsu slip here and there, however?
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Nazis get punched!
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>>5922 Lol One thing that annoys me abouy vidya discussion or at least did back in the day on /v/eddit was the obvious coomer whining but I dislike this for different reasons. Nothing lewd? Nothing at all, to deny such an aspect of humanity ends up making more perverts than destroying them, its bloody pantsu, the same people removing ecchi fan service are making sissy hypno "gooner" cuck videos and grooming kids on discord. Just watch to fucking love ru instead of looking at gross hentai, or play a game with some ecchi fan service-oh wait they don't exist anymore.
>>5927 It's the feminist-driven 'neo-Puritanism'. Ofc it's not at all an attempt at morality such as the real Puritans did, but quite the opposite: it's a system of control by the globalist-kikes & their feminist/troon pets to attempt shoving every degeneracy imaginable down the throats of the goyim. I wish it was just a case of 'roasties on suicide watch', but it's in fact much more insidious than that.
>>5927 *about >>5928 >it's not at all an attempt at morality such as the real Puritans did, but quite the opposite: it's a system of control by the globalist-kikes & their feminist/troon pets to attempt shoving every degeneracy imaginable down the throats of the goyim. It is sadly very effective on autist, many anon was aborted into a tranny, I get the feeling that the kikes don't want a new generation tech savy turbo autist like before. Now that most of our spiritual race has died off due to bordem and demoralization I am very afraid for the future. That being said I'll still never give into the kike system, I will always say no! No, and I will peak at my girls panties when they jump in Hyper Dimension Neptune.
>>5936 *many a potenial anon
>>5936 >>5937 I believe you're absolutely right about our lost bros, bro. Ofc, the kikes never did want any of us to gain power in first place, it's just they were blindsided by it all (in addition to their own tech-ineptitude). They think they have the upper hand on civilization now, but God will laugh them all to derision in the end! :D
>>5939 We had been turned into their finest slaves and could have served them for a very long time, their blood feud with us will end when they realize without us they won't be able to control the world anymore. Bottom of the line is you can't control the world forever like a slave and the kikes will always be slaves, slaves to resentment and slaves to their rejection of the life and the world. A new generation of anons will arise eventually, as the last of a dying spiritual race it is our job to ensure they don't end up like us.
>>5927 The worst part is that Japs are forced to do this, even though they don't want to, in order to appeal to the gaijin market (as they see it), but then western games are nothing but degeneracy with naked homofags fucking, getting fucked by bears, tranny manginas and other deprived stuff they're into. But pantsu and boobs must go.
>>5941 >as the last of a dying spiritual race it is our job to ensure they don't end up like us. Heh, that's yet to be determined. And as for 'like us', we're in fact one of the few hopes left for our world. We could all do with literally millions more 'like us'. :^) But as to our lost brethren, yes it's a sad state of affairs. Doxxcord was one of the greatest CIA glownigger gayops of history tbh.
>>5944 >We could all do with literally millions more 'like us'. :^) Agreed, and I don't ever want to lose hope anon but the darkness takes its toll. >Doxxcord was one of the greatest CIA glownigger gayops of history tbh. Yeah it unironically was and still fucking is. <muh heckin' dickswordarino How bloody hard is it to use IRC or Mumble if you need to use something like that. Also fun fact, Matrix the pushed alternative is literally made by mossad operatives, look or up.
>>5946 >but the darkness takes its toll. Be light for those around you! >and still fucking is. It's not the last trick of the globohomo though, you can be sure. >How bloody hard is it to use IRC or Mumble if you need to use something like that Not hard. Doesn't have as many flashing, shiny things though. No use crying over spilt milk though. At least build yourself up (get /fit/, for instance), and help any based men around you. Be the future you want to see anon! Stay strong anon.
>they've come for the pantsu it's over
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>>6079 NOW (((THEY'RE))) COMING AFTER THE FEET Sorry feet bros
>>6079 >censoring feet lmao what
>>6079 >>6082 good, death to footfags
>>6079 Live forever footchads
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>>6091 Typical kike bullshit, talking out 'both sides of their mouth'. This is the feminist-oriented neoPuritanism we talked about before. No new to anyone here on /kong/, but Jews have already compromised any Japanese vidya studio that cater to the West. With their insidious creep into the Government institutions there, they will soon mandate this across all media forms, West-pandering or no. But trannies, niggers, body-positive stronk, independynts? SURE WE HAVE PLENTY AND TO SPARE!
>>6102 >body-positive stronk can't wait for all the 500 pound obese black trans-females in my anime vidya games.
>>6091 Japan has fallen.
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They took this from us.
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>>6300 Remember when gaming was a hobby for high IQ hwite and nip men of good character? I don't either at this point.
>>6300 Somehow I hate this even more than outright censorship.
>>6300 >[game]'s localizers don't know the original language so they just replaced the script with internet memes and that's a good thing At this point faggots that still buy games get what they deserve. >honkai star rail Never heard of it. Is that one of those shitty Chinese gatcha games that everyone's jacking off over lately?
>>6321 Yeah it's gatchashit but that's all what zoomers play nowadays anyway.
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>>6512 This shit infuriates me beyond belief. Who the fuck allows this? Games just get hijacked by redditors and nobody can do anything.
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How over is it /kong/bros?
>>6538 Nonstop Total End.
>>6512 time to nihongo jouzo
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>>7149 Pure lookalization.
>>7149 >acting like its the 1930s >in an age where we have faggots and whores parading in public butt naked, with literal pornography all over the (official kike)media and trannies waving their cocks to little kids at libraries what a time to be dead
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>>7393 >noooooo not the hecking feshgayks
>>7202 >>7392 >>7393 This shit is unacceptable but normalfags don't care. Not only don't they care, they prefer the fake reddit translations and will defend them.
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>>7547 the age of armor bra is over
>>7548 It was a great age.
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If there's one area where I can't wait for AI to take over, it's the translations.
>>7634 >As a language model I cannot translate this content as it does not adhere to the openai guideline on respect and inclusive behaviour.
>>7637 You can break any AI.
>>7638 I know. Chatgpt's the easiest because it's a horny little slut A.I trained on way way too much porn and fanfiction. But no mainstream company is going to use A.I to translate unless it's in line with their community safety guidelines. Fan translations will get better for emulated games and stuff, but Nintendo and Sony were perfectly content letting rainbow-hairs mis-translate to their hearts content so don't expect much difference.
>>7656 You're overestimating the globohomo, They've been doing dumb lazy shit like that all the time.
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>>7861 the absolute state of snoy
>>7861 Translate? Also, why is that young woman wearing men's underwear?
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>>7881 why is she wearing any underwear at all?
>>7883 so you'd pay for a nude mod
>>7861 THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
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>>8061 This says it all
>>8061 you just know rainbow sucks typed that
>>8061 This is why I don't pay for games anymore.
>>8080 Why'd you pay before.
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>japanese: okay, let's go in
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>>8096 they will literally train AI to troonslate the way they do, this is not a solution to anything
never fall for the localization meme, anons
>>7202 I don't mean to be an "ackshewaly" type, but FE Fates still has romance, as well as children characters and incest. However, Soleil's S-supports with everyone but Corrin were indeed changed to be friendzoney. FE Engage may be the game you're talking about, as most, if not all the romance was removed because of supposed pedophilia.
>>8097 That's not how it works.
>>8209 That's literally how it works, brainlet.
>>8208 You seem to be an expert on FE, anon.
>>8212 I wouldn't call myself an expert
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>>8238 Lol. Sounds like the troonslator just pulled arbitrary shit out of his butt.
>>8244 That's every troonslation. They're not interested in translating the text but in "improving" it.
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>no mention of sweet baby inc. I am disappointed in you guys.
>>8270 The what?
>>8271 Sweet Babytotally not indicative of anything is a company developers hire to consult vidya game writing to make sure it's ESG compliant. Or they're hired to just straight up do the writing. They're a lot more invasive then you'd think and a pretty big part of why every game is written like a tumblr blog.
>>8274 never hear of it but i'm not surprised
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Mandatory.
>>8276 Hahahaha doge so funny and quirky xddddd Why do these apes feel the need to forcibly insert shitty dated memes into games? It doesn't improve the script, the game is worse off for it, and it's not fucking funny. Are loocalizers demons from hell?
We all know the real problem is women in the workplace.
>>8277 >Why do these apes feel the need to forcibly insert shitty dated memes into games? Redditor mind operates only on memes. >Are loocalizers demons from hell? Yes.
>>8277 >Why do these apes feel the need to forcibly insert shitty dated memes into games? While partly due to the localizers(many of whom can't actually read or speak Japanese, no I'm not fucking joking) being self involved faggots who have to "put their own spin" on everything a lot of these localization companies get paid by how much they edit. So by adding in a bunch of unneeded shit instead of just translating and if needed editing it to make sense, but still convey the same idea, they actually get paid more. Let that shit sink in. They're paid extra to ruin translations. >Are loocalizers demons from hell? No. But they are puppets of (((globohomo.))) So more like the servants of demons.
>>8295 AI can already translate texts better than most people. All they have to do is drop the japanese text into the AI, get a 90% accurate translation and then ruin it with loocalization. And get paid for it.
>>3043 No, it's the Great Replacement. Videogames have been on the cutting edge of the culture War since Gamergate. It's not one libnigger. It's an ocean of them demanding more soy.
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>>8332 This anon gets it. And we all know (((who))) is driving White Genocide, wherever our culture is involved. So, you gotta ask yourself, why ? What's in it for them, objectively-speaking?
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>>8383 C-plus-equality-tier wahmen logic.
>>8383 AI-sama will deal with these.
>>8383 At what point did loocalization fall into the hands of “people” who fucking hate anime and anything Japanese?
>>8391 The second it became popular, so around 2007.
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>>8555 >"...we're all aiming for the same goal." Yeah, and it's the kiked-up Globohomo goal of feminism, the destruction of vidya, and no fun allowed for Whitey or the Asian man. Disgusting.
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>>8639 Never pay for video games.
>>8640 One should not play anything older than 2010 anyway.
>>8641 newer you mean
>>8642 Yes.
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Avoid any remaster.
>>8648 you can bet your ass that's a troon job
>>8638 owarida F
fire emblem fates? there was a dude who either loved loli or was gay, and translation got butchered into empty dialogue. this day, it would be allowed though. and translators would be proud, much gay.
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tfw i was the localizer (tester) of an obscure chinese bootleg game, first to proper russian, then to english. I don't think we butchered any of the sexual stuff, which there weren't much of but still, big boobs jokes on a chinese fairy were left intact. that was like 2007. I also translated manga for money. Tfw, no one would ever employ me nowadays.
>>8648 "Um, yikes sweetie. You're being heckin' problematic heteronormative objectification!" Kill anyone who speaks like this.
>>8663 >obscure chinese bootleg game What game?
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Avoid all remakes and remasters like plague.
>>8710 >a group of high school boys getting creeped out when a man in a skirt tries to groom them is 'transphobia' Remember no matter how badly (((they))) fuck up the numake, FES has an undub floating around if you prefer to go full weeb and can be emulated easily for free.
>>8710 (((STUNNING & BRAVE)))
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>>8710 >>8715 >OMG, those pesky japanese still have the awful transphobia but thankfully it was fixed by our hard working troonslators!
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RGG Studio responds to Sega localization criticism In short >It's a good thing >Japan is "actually more strict" than the West >Why we lengthened a character's skirt? She looked cold >The world is changing, deal with it
>>8787 What a fucking snake.
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That's 70 dorrars.
>>8837 A-any refunds, Merchant-sama?...
>>8837 >dialoged written and spoken is the exact same between the three other then switching the club names >the only difference between them is the room they use and some animations >still too much work for modern devs A little taste of Blackrock ESG money and every dev turns into a bunch of lazy no-talent hacks who can only pump out numakes and reboots.
>>8844 Well tbh, I think that presumes that the same devs are still in place before/after the kike corruption from Blackrock. Don't you think that a lot of replacements of competent men, by vibrantly-diverse enrichers has probably gone on across the industry? These Globohomo POSs must be pumping billions in bribe money into the vidya industry alone.
>>8840 NO REFUNDSU
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>>8995 Wasn't that game dogshit with blatant globohomo propaganda?
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>>9127 >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHITE CAN'T BE A GOOD THING Slop through and through.
>>9127 >white literally not allowed
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>>9272 unironically better than the original gibbering slant eyes btfoed
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>>9310 GAS EM NOW
AI is replacing troonslators, which is good.
>>9323 As much as I'd like to be hopeful for that, I know that faggots are going to be the ones training the AI. At least some of those faggots will be out of a job.
>>9324 Japs themselves are starting to use AI for translations, completely circumventing the gaijin.
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>>9337 >patches need to be avoided now the absolute state
>>9337 Utterly disgusting.
>>9310 how low japan has fallen
>>9323 >>9324 >>9327 >"checkmate jews/feminists/leftists" pushing "AI" all over the webring "AI", and I never use it without the quotes because it's bullshit, isn't saving anyone; it's the end, like the "boot on a human face, forever" kind. Did you miss the Gemini story? See the bit where one of the solutions to make it more "accurate" was to train it on Reddit data, of all things? Or did you just wake up from a 10 year coma? These large language models are corporate products, made by some of your worst enemies. They are used to bypass those normal human responses that get in the way of their manipulating our reality like "this sounds retarded", "no one really believes this", "fucking disgusting", or "this is patently false, WTF?" Even in the odd case that they let one these things loose on a game script or something, and it produces a passably accurate translation, there are these things called editors and proofreaders, where the real damage has always been done. Advocating for the further centralization and automation of media production should be a bannable offense.
>>9546 What does it matter if ESG infestation is headed by AI or trannys from California? It's still ESG infested shit. The only difference is there are a few less pedophiles getting paid to fuck things up.
>>9546 >there are these things called editors and proofreaders, where the real damage has always been done. Err, no. It's the troonslators. And they want to get rid off all the middle men.
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>>9606 >why is AI taking our jobs??? >t. troonslators
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>Localizer behind vile mistranslations and rewriting arrested for sending sex toys to a child.
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>>9633 what a shocker >>9634 >>9636 absolutely disgusting
>>9633 >his son received an Amazon package with sex toys in it >his son Did everybody miss this? Or did everyone just hear "teen victim" and assume some sexy blonde teenage babe like from some old action flick or something. Title should be "As always, localizer is gay pedo" (redundant, I know).
>>9645 Nah, I noticed it. It's just not a surprise. I just assume any pedophile is part of the faggot community until proven otherwise.
>>9645 >localizer is gay pedo That's like commenting that water is wet, anon.
>>9636 literal fanfic rewrite tier. Worthless "writers" who never would have had their shit published taking their pent up pseud hackery on japanese games, morons on cuckchan even praised overlord's translation because it's "le creative" and "fits the settings", soy infested faggot imageboard
>eopigs suffering good

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