>>19165 >>19161 >>19155 >>19152 >>19151 >>19150 >>19149 Chobitsu thank you for your support. It took a lot to get to this point and a lot of nerve to arrange this and collect my thoughts and keep things from going off the rails. This is a first move on the chessboard and while I realize we don't need or want normie approval it is good that we control the narrative and via that, the market (in both social and physical capital) I will take what I've learned from this, our first debut outside of our echo chambers and redouble our efforts toward quality, a clear coherent message and an inspired vision of our mission Godspeed and Glory to Mankind

>>19173 You're quite welcome Meta Ronin, and yes you have my complete support in this effort. This was fun for me, and takes me back to my Internet roots where dozens of us would all be chatting together in a thread during an event. Anons here have my pity for having to deal with all my ravings! :^) Forward!

>>19170 Heh, I think you're being a bit harsh, but your viewpoint is honestly appreciated, Anon. Like everything else we're all doing here, this too is going to be a progression towards the ideals. Patience. :^) >Like he couldn't explain anything good about robowaifus without sounding like a lonely coomer Lol. I think you should take a break then go back and listen to the stream again. Meta Ronin did a good job and quickly was running the entire show IMO as the headliner. >lol nice katana in your dimly lit room. Haha that was a nice-looking blade tbh. > Once you climb the mountain top, everything below seems empty in a way. I would request you (and everyone else here) contribute to our two threads explicitly for these subjects Anon (>>17125, >>11102). We very much will have to tackle these issues if we are ever to have satisifying, effective robowaifus that are real 'human' companions.

>>19166 >>19167 >>19168 Yep it was a good start. May Meta Ronin and WaifuInc have many, many more of these with many different channels out there. I personally can't wait to see them kill it on whatever that 'all-femoids, all-the-time' show is on broadcast TV. The salt will be mountainous haha. :^)

>>19108 Good points Anon. >>19104 Who knows Anon, maybe they'll eventually come around? I'd suggest patience.

>>19170 > he couldn't explain anything good about robowaifus without sounding like a lonely coomer, I think on the contrary. Some of them wanted to frame the whole thing as something about sexbots at some point. But Metaronin went a bit too far sometimes, trying to dodge that, putting the sex-enabled bots parts under the rug, and also saying something like "they will all rather look like (clang) robots not like dolls". Imo, it's better to say that men have legit sexual desires, but robowaifus could be about more than that. Don't give in to shaming of men, by certain conservatives, normies and women. He lacked a bit confidence at the beginning, being in a tough spot, but recovered later. >>19170 >That one women with the kid was actually pretty good, she was able to talk it out without being annoying about it, She was okay, but you're to gentle. It was a good case study why the second woman was much better for such a debate. I think the first one tried to present herself as a good mother, which is also caring about ugly and mentally ill men, implying these are the ones which might have a legit reason to be interested in robowaifus. Other implied conclusions included. Anyone who has watched enough MGTOW videos about female behavior could pick up on that. I think I remember her also pushing the narrative that we couldn't have children if we had a robowaifu. But many men don't have that anyways, and dependent on he country there seem to be cases of guys using surrogates to have children, while being single. >Interesting stream, but it was all over the place and there wasn't any concise answers that felt practical or useful. For such a stream you would need to have guests which are on the same side of the topic, only working out minor differences. I'm pretty sure it was interesting to anyone who hasn't heard of it. But it was about a confrontation of very different takes on that topic. >>19171 We don't need to save the world, and dependent on what this even means, nothing can. But that aside, if anything can make it better for us then it will involve synthetic girlfriends and robowaifus. Anyways, overall quite well done given the circumstances. Thanks. >>19173 >while I realize we don't need or want normie approval it is good that we control the narrative and via that, the market (in both social and physical capital) This. >bog_beef He argued like a RedPill dating coach chatbot: "Just work on yourself, bro." Like competing harder for women (feminists) would be a good way to spend ones life, work out for everyone and change anything in regards to society.

Video is on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II70vRYprgw

Meta Ronin, if you'd like, I can add this link into your thread OP? >>19182 In the future, we can just keep a running log, with your latest shows on top if you'd like.

>>19186 Appreciate it Chobitsu, thank you

>>19181 >He argued like a RedPill dating coach chatbot: "Just work on yourself, bro." Like competing harder for women (feminists) would be a good way to spend ones life, work out for everyone and change anything in regards to society. Advice too little too late and something I would give a high schooler or very young adult. Some of you know that I am much older than that (and have already been through the marriage experience and how you get treated by women and society * after * that fact) Also I do work on myself, go to the gym, go out and talk to ppl irl, etc. I do everything he said and for me it doesn't make a difference b/c the issue is being willing to put up with modern women, their life baggage (which is all but guaranteed after their early 20's) and their post feminist nonsense worldviews and smug superior attitudes (which are a facade hiding a bottomless well of insecurity). Enough

>>19189 >something I would give a high schooler or very young adult. I think I heard him in the podcast at some point admitting himself that if young guys don't get to date, as a result it will be to late for them at some point as well, because of the lack of self-confidence through the lack of experience. So either way his advice works only for young guys, if at all. But he mostly talked about it in more general terms and as if robowaifus would be a problem because of that. Basically he made the additional assumption that guys would be less confident with "real women" if they had robowaifus and would not go out chasing, which is in itself questionable.

>>19192 I was the one who said if you weren't learning game as one of your skill trees from middle school on, and instead focused on your studies and career by the time you were ready to meet a woman you'd be so outclassed there would be no traction to even learn what you're doing wrong or improve and the stink of failure and rejection would just build up on you. This is what happens to those just "doing the right thing" and even if a woman feels compelled to marry you she will stop putting out or showing any passion and chat sooner or later. But society will lie to you and encourage you to just keep trying and good women are out there and man up, to to the gym, eat raw eggs etc. laughable, smol brained but theyre just trying to help (by projecting their own delusions so as to validate them in their own mind)

>>19188 Nprb, Meta Ronin glad to help. Just let me know if you want it tweaked somehow. In fact, if you'd like to extensively edit your OP, just make a post and I'll transfer it up.

>>19193 Ah, thanks for the clarification. I was probably distracted with reading the chat so I thought he was saying that. Nice cartoon, btw. I was more thinking of guys dropping out playing vidya while young and then it's to late to get into dating. Would be easier for such guys to have a robowaifu, but I don't think they would loose confidence that way. The argumentation of bog_beef was still a lot around "just go out and put the work in".

>>19197 > "just go out and put the work in". it works when it works and supposedly that's proof that it works and wasnt just coincidence or luck

>>19192 >guys would be less confident with "real women" if they had robowaifus and would not go out chasing, which is in itself questionable. Indeed it is. It's similar to the mental, motivational & physical training (all rolled-up into one) of military boot camp, except that in this case the 'training' happens with a still-imperfect, but in several ways superior model than your 'field' issue item (a bass-ackwards way to do things BTW). His (and with that woman's tacit agreement) was that a 'poor' anon wouldn't receive the """proper""" experience of a real woman (in effect, the attendant & manifold abuse thereto) by only having the (superior) robowaifu as a baseline. IMO, that's quite a fallacious standard whereby to judge whether a robowaifu is a positive experience or not.

>>19194 Let's remove the: >Before you shoot it down: (Since we're already past that point - I haven't received overwhelming opposition though one or two seem to act like it's laying our cards out on the table while our enemies cards remain hidden. Like I said if we do nothing someone else will step forward and define it in their terms which may or may not make things more complicated for ourselves) >Begin New Copy Here: Purpose: - Spread the idea of robowaifus and help recruit talent to our cause - Control the frame of R/W devs, researchers and enthusiasts, we can be perceived as eccentric, charismatic techies rather than, say, disturbed and dangerous lone weirdos - Brainstorm fresh ideas that might arise from real-time live collaboration and debate - Get ahead of the 8 ball and shape the topic into something appealing yet transgressive in a fun edgy way before journos and the like sully it with their stale neolib, postmod, westernized takes If this ever be something any of you (esp Board Owner and heavyweights) would consider participating in I'm inviting you to collaborate. Could be a once a week or twice a month deal, part time co-host or recurring guest is what I'm looking for. I've already run some pilot streams on my Twitch but might move to another platform if we want something more regular and official.

>>19200 <remove reddit spacing as you see fit, it looked different in the reply box!

>>19200 OK, give the new OP a look and see if that's as you intend Anon.

>>19202 looks good! thanks!

>>19205 Great. Looking forward to many more items on that podcast list Anon...keep moving forward!

>>18485 I finally tried to listen to the download I made a while ago. It was mostly gaming talk. For the first hour or so (of two...). For the future, please keep these things separated. Or make clips of the RW related stuff and upload it to YouTube. Twitch only allows playing it on 720p anyways, and I'm not gonna watch some long stream on that resolution. The term "podcast" originally meant audio show, and it's about a topic or talk about different topics, not watching guys gaming.

>>19525 That said, the second part got more interesting. I disagree with many things, but it was more on topic and interesting. 3D printers are great, but... - Plastic is never as strong as real steel (for all I know) - Maybe like aluminum, but that's with carbon fibers inside, made on way more expensive printers. Also: - We can use 3D printed parts. They can be reinforced or just be the connectors and holders for standard aluminum and steel parts. Also, not everything must be super strong. - The costs of tools are not what's holding us back. The 3D design and overall design process is difficult and time consuming. - Guys can like wholesome waifus and also like to be a bit rough sometimes. - Reddit has a lot of useful subs around technology.

>>19526 >- Guys can like wholesome waifus and also like to be a bit rough sometimes. Certainly any robowaifu that's intended for real-world snu-snu must be beefed up againt the dynamics involved. And particularly in that a fair percentage of Anons are *ahem* portly. :^)

>>19525 thanks for watching, these are developing and for the Twitch streams, we've been very adlib just seeing what works. More serious discussions will go on YouTube. Whether those are viewable live only, unlisted and by link only, or public depends. Breaking out into the normiesphere can have unforseen consequences. I've gotten very mixed reactions from them, some good, some curious, some very unhappy with the idea, etc. We'll test the waters and adjust vector accordinly.

>>19662 >I've gotten very mixed reactions from them, some good, some curious, some very unhappy with the idea, etc. Heh. You knew that going in, right Meta Ronin? :^)

>>19666 honestly I had no idea. The outcome could be worse I'm not complaining.

>>11364 Holy fug the deep blue pilling is insane. "MeN hAvE pRoBlEmS bUt MoStLy It'S wOmEn" "JuSt Be CoNfIdEnT bRoOoOoOoOo..." Can we stop spreading bs already? We are not in 2015 anymore.

>>19671 >I'm not complaining. No absolutely not, you all did great Meta Ronin. Just pointing out stuff we've been saying here for years is all. :^) I hope you're working on lining up new gigs elsewhere as well? >>19730 >We are not in 2015 anymore Waitwat? No!? Everyone keeps telling me we're still in Current Year! :^) BTW, please join in the podcast chat stream next time if you're able to, Anon. >=== -minor edit

>>19735 >we're still in Current Year! :^) I meant it as in most points have been debated and debunked years ago. I can autistic-quote-and-reply to the first part of the video if anyone is interested.

>>19766 You mean the session on Breaking The Rules Podcast? Either way, maybe don't waste your time on this. There are enough MGTOW and BlackPill channels to link to or to find for the ones being interested.

>>19766 nobody had directly addressed the robowaifu issue on podcast until that. we were the first. for what it's worth and I think it's worth something. First move on the chessboard

>>19766 Yes you're right. That's just my way of funposting with friends here. Just silly ribbing Anon, please pay me no mind! :^) >>19767 You're aware this is groundbreaking stuff going on right now Anon, yes? >>19769 >First move on the chessboard I prefer Feudal /tg/, and I think it's more apropos in this case tbh. Many pieces are in play here, all at once. >=== -minor edit

>>19770 >inb4 the serious powerfapping competition in the name of robowaifus

>>19769 >>19770 >nobody had directly addressed the robowaifu issue on podcast until that Hmm, you mean in relation to the board here? That might be true, though the site also wasn't mentioned. The term "robowaifu" was made a bit more popular, I guess. The topic of gynoids or fembots came up quite often on podcasts, though I admit that it was normally under the label "sexbots". Generally, nobody here knows all podcasts and what they were talking about for the last 15 years or so. I think the guy who posted >>19730 just had a similar beef with bog_beef and the female guest than I expressed here >>19181

>>19774 /robowaifu/ is the IB true but /robowaifu/ is also a deeper philosophy and movement I allude to this and make the distinction between the uncanny, cold bald 80's sci-fi android-woman trope and robowaifus in my substack "in defense of the robot girlfriend" https://metaronin.substack.com/p/in-defense-of-the-robot-girl-friend And while TFG, Joker, and other MGTOW have talked about the "sexbots" (rubber dolls that will have mechanical voices) that is a porn niche and not at all the angle we're coming from with RW as a movement. I was attempting to carve out this distinction during the stream, which was noted by some of you in the comments here. There is an important reason for that b/c we absolutely do not want to be conflated with that porn product scene, the idea that we just want a simulated bag-of-meat to fuck when RW can be much more than this.

>>19774 >Generally, nobody here knows all podcasts and what they were talking about for the last 15 years or so. yes, applefags were the first ones streaming to itunes. Hipster pseudopolitical podcasts (not even live streams) where the idea was "wow I'm talking on the internet and you're listening to me!" rife with hipster era bantz and discussing the panini they ate at a cafe in Berkley and Che Guevara. Most podcasts tend to be normie topics. I can't speak for Japan (do they even podcast over there?) but /robowaifu/ (the movement not the board) being a sort of subset of the chan culture and anime-RW is already a fringe scene that if there had been a podcast in this scope we'd have already heard about it and it would have been posted in here

>>19797 >There is an important reason for that b/c we absolutely do not want to be conflated with that porn product scene This. >when RW can be much more than this. Double this. The basic drive here is to go back to the garden. Obviously we'll not achieve that perfectly during this life, but in some important sense we here are trying to establish the one thing that men (males, specifically) desire above most everything else: to have 'marriages' with (by necessity for the time being,) robowaifus, that are wholesome, loving, & giving. Men are made to love, to serve, and to protect others; it's literally what we were designed by God to do. We men are truly at our greatest when we fulfill those purposes in our lives effectively. Robowaifus are our best way forward, toward that type of intimate relationship at this time in human history. >=== -prose edit

>>19797 >but /robowaifu/ is also a deeper philosophy and movement A movement is organized and I don't know anything like it beyond that board here. This comes of as you're trying to claim that and controlling the narrative with yourself as public voice. Or you're just a bit myopic here. Robowaifu just a term and some variation of ideas which are a bit more widespread. The image board variant of these ideas so to speak. The mix of DIY, encouraging cooperation, FOSS and not putting sex into the center is what makes this board special, but let's not exaggerate. > uncanny, cold bald 80's sci-fi android-woman trope This was never such a strong and distinctive trope and here was never such a strong push against this here, because it's not relevant. These things aren't correlated: bald/not bald, calling them fembots/gynoids/robowaifus, "cold"/"not cold" (whatever this means). >angle we're coming from with RW as a movement. Since I was here in 8chan times, this board was always open to guys who wanted animated dolls. The main difference to "sexdolls" is, that the term robowaifu means we're aspiring to more, including child care and it's not only about sex. I don't want certain design constraints getting amalged with the idea of robot girlfriends. >TFG, Joker, and other MGTOW have talked about the "sexbots" They called it sexbots or (animated) love dolls instead of robowaifus but also talk about them raising children for a while and how it isn't just about sex. The guys in the comments were always about how the also "should be doing chores", not so much about raising children, but this is probably because they're older. This is going on for years. The main difference is the term and the emphasis on sex vs other things. And the term sexbot is probably catchier in headlines. Fembots raising children is even a trope in western SciFi now in form of Raised by Wolves, and was proposed by some people around NASA before I found /robowaifu/ on 8chan. 7 years ago, 2015 (strange Sandman voice, lol), he was also partially critical but he's always talking a lot and meandering around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBzqtv_WmBo Waifu Similator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJtPgbspblU >important reason for that b/c we absolutely do not want to be conflated with that porn product scene, We don't limit ourselves to that, true. But neither did many of the other people talking about fembots, sexbots, etc. and of course some of the results here will just be used for sex. Among some of these manosphere content creators sexdolls are being called love dolls for quite some time, emphasizing that they project more into them than just using them as sextoys. This isn't that new and like it has never been mentioned before. >>19799 >sort of subset of the chan culture and anime-RW is already a fringe scene that if there had been a podcast in this scope Maybe true for some emphasis on certain points, like anime-looks, which btw didn't come across much during the podcast, aside from the title picture, which had 1.3k view so far. It's good that you did this podcast, but it was hardly a big event.

>>19815 All good points. I didn't expect anyone to take the time to break it down >A movement is organized Going to disagree about the organized part > a movement is a group of people working together for a common social, political or cultural goal. Movements can focus on an injustice, an opportunity for change or even a promotion of a theory or concept To be fair it's between a scene and movement but we are seeing the idea stick among our mutual anons out there. Even got Yarvin to say Robowaifu on the stream yesterday (he said he's "heard" the term) - it's in fun but also if we aren't having fun and we're just dry and angry all the time why bother? >distinction between sex/love doll Still its a notion that you love an object. A waifu has personality and impetus (I, at least, want a robowaifu that does not need to be prompted at each interaction like a chatbot). Waifus unlike love dolls do not need to be uncannily fleshy or look like conventional modern women you'd see out dating. I'm a fan of embracing the robot at least until skin is durable and dirt/dust repellent and has a nice, high quality tone. I think this willingness to embrace a degree of the /clang/ is part of the distinction between lovebot and robowaifu. Anyway I'm just being off the cuff and that is also my style of streaming. I feel if I tried to really tighten it up and be super topical and serious I would fall on my face. I'd love to welcome any other anon to co-host a stream or even go off and do your own interviews or streams. This is a cooperative not competitive effort.

>>19815 Nice read Anon. Thanks for the reminders. :^) >7 years ago, 2015 (strange Sandman voice, lol), he was also partially critical but he's always talking a lot and meandering around: I think it was just prior to this (maybe spring/summer 2014) that we had our first threads on 4/g where we began to discuss all these topics and more (the ideas were already bouncing around for years before that on 4 & elsewhere, notably the 2's). These (what we now know as) robowaifu-topical threads were also simultaneously going on at 4/b & 4/pol, in addition (>>14500). I believe if that old drive is still alive, I probably even have a few of those OG threads saved. Also, as we've pointed out for years in our Welcome thread (>>3), the sexdoll Harmony is what we would consider a primitive robowaifu, technically-speaking. There are several others now also. I think our own general concept of robowaifus has also migrated somewhat during the intervening years here, as well. It's now both more elegant, more wholesome, and more practical IMO. Possibly those were a bit more exuberant & edgy days. :^) >tl;dr Our own concepts & technicalities of robowaifus continuously-discussed here on /robowaifu/ are much more broadly-encompassing through today. They clearly will become more-so going forward. >=== -prose edit

>>19820 These general ideas here are nothing fundamentally new, really, and have been tropes since at least the 1920's (Metropolis), and arguably all the way back to the Greek classics with our big-bro Pygmalion. :^) I'd also add that the concept of a 'disembodied' wAIfu/Virtual Waifu/Visual Waifu, has been around here since our OG times as well. As a trope, even the HAL-9000 qualifies in this category, except as a male. Earlier still, the Ship's Computer on Star Trek TOS. >=== -prose edit

>>19820 >>A movement is organized >Going to disagree about the organized part Some guys in MGTOW always point out that these content creators around it are not a movement, but that it is a shared philosophy. Since they and their male audience are not organized and maybe even quite individualistic. I'm aware of the term cultural movement, which is more of a loose formation of artists and innovators. Maybe robowaifu enthusiasm is closer to that. >> people working together Who is working together as a robowaifu movement, aside from this board? Working on what? Memes, media, ... Organized outside that board? My point was just that there isn't some distinct movement bigger than this board on one hand. On the other hand there are many guys with quite similar ideas, talking about gynoids without using the robowaifu term, and they are also working on improving their dolls with electronics and mechanics, or trying to build some kind of female robot. >willingness to embrace a degree of the /clang/ is part of the distinction between lovebot and robowaifu. I disagree, but I'm also not sure what you really mean by embracing. I could see how it would be okay or a more robot looking gynoid could still look sexy in her own right. Anyways, that's not such a strong distinction. You try to cut out the 80s gynoids and anything that looks like a sexdoll. But that's mainly your own viewpoint. What we can agree on, is that it is good to spread of the word about the ideas here and in other places. Including the use of podcasts. While also including and advertising the idea of keeping the dolls more anime looking, instead going for a close as possible human-reproduction, and that robotic elements can look pleasant as well, or even better, and maybe also make things easier. >>19825 >4/b & 4/pol, in addition (>>14500). I believe if that old drive is still alive, I probably even have a few of those OG threads saved. Hmm, maybe look into it, for historical reasons. I think there were also many mentions by incels on various platforms, but their places got mostly nuked into oblivion, then even deleted from archive.org on which people think they could rely on. >>19826 The new thing is IMO the DIY scene around it, in combination with memes and sharing recommendations of entertainment related to it, and even starting to create more of it. That said, what I originally wanted to point out in >>19774 is that there are some other pockets of guys doing relatively similar things when it comes to the DIY part and others which are just embracing and waiting for the coming of the gynoids. I nearly forgot to mention the anime fans with their pillows and collecting figurines or bigger dolls, which is at least quite often about emotional attachment.

>>19846 After listening to some old Sandman episodes, I have to admit that he often says annoying things, like using the term Mangina or Simp for guys who want to have more than just a sexbot and actually talking to them. That said, his audience is more diverse on many views around the topic, including RW talking points: >Green Lights >3 years ago (edited) >I would actually love a sex robot that actually looks like a robot. We don't need complete human-like realism at first, we can get there with further developments. >Mr. Nerdlinger >3 years ago >"Eyes that follow you around the room" I wish real women did that. They are looking at their phone or eyes closed doing shopping list. I also agree with him on many things, for example about finding a solution for the problems with the joints of love dolls as soon as possible (wire finger horror). Improved replacement parts could be quite interesting. Also, that it would actually be hard to replace parts inside a robot with a full silicon rubber skin.

>>19856 >After listening to some old Sandman episodes i don't want to derail the topic, but note that mgtow is just a psyop to sell feminism to men. don't even mind them, they do constant mental gymnastics to not be caught in the deception.

>>19963 >but note that mgtow is just a psyop to sell feminism to men. Feminists do all kinds of things, it's not one group, so they will even contradict each other. MGTOW is freeing men from women and from those influencing them, so it's certainly not " just a psyop to sell feminism to men". MGTOW itself is also a spectrum, so this claim is very absurd.

>>19846 >The new thing is IMO the DIY scene around it, in combination with memes and sharing recommendations of entertainment related to it, and even starting to create more of it. Yeah I suppose that's true Anon. Certainly, it would help us all if we can get some of these anons you mentioned connected in here to start doing their own thing, together as a group. Heh, obviously not a tightly-rigid structure, but we've already learned here the synergies that can arise from this arrangement.

Not sure if Podcasts from other creators than Meta Ronin or anyone from this board belong here in this thread, but here's a guy talking about AI Waifus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEL1OZPkU94 >With the current state of dating, men are seeking out alternatives to the traditional relationship system. Enter the latest advancements of AI.

If anyone needs a better microphone for his podcasting: >>20775 >Building a quality USB-C microphone

>Sandman, a leading figure in the MGTOW community, joins Simone and Malcolm to discuss high-tech reproductive strategies. They explore surrogacy, genetic selection, artificial wombs, sexbots, and more ways men can have children without partners. Other topics include all-male vs all-female societies, economics, and virtual intimacy technologies. https://youtu.be/UjglsvZATr0?si=5Pv_nzIw21niAdcB I'm not agreeing with them in every aspect, but they are a open minded and creative couple which is interested "sexbots" and reproduction.