First off Grommet, let me thank you again for all your hard work gathering information together on Nim for us here. Great job, and you've made a good case for your position. But rather than leave you in suspense let me just cut right to the chase:
There is no way that I'm not using C++ as the primary systems-programming language for this project.
There, I said it. :^)
Simply put, C++ by far
represents our current best-bet for overall success devising real-world robowaifus. Hands-down. I wouldn't seriously think for a moment about walking away from that abundant blessing that has been dropped right into our collective laps.
C & C++ are two of the most 'banged-on' programming languages out there and together represent the vast majority of systems-oriented projects in the world. There is also a big heap of applications solutions using them too.
The ISO C++ Committee once did a short-list roundup during a Language Evolution Working Group meeting a few years back, and just in that room alone
(with ~10 men present) the lines of code they collectively represented as leaders in their respective institutions was over 5 billion
lines of working, production C++ code out in the industry. Let that sink in for a minute. And its bigger today. Also, Bjarne Stroustrup compiled a (no longer maintained) list of notable C++ projects out there. You may recognize a few of them (and I also have a good number -- for example, all BMW cars -- which are not on his listing):
While no language is perfect, C++ brings more power and flexibility to the table, with an amazing array of libraries available to pull from, with more maturity and field-proven capability, than any other programming language
. C is also a great language in these regards, but we absolutely need good support for abstractions in the vast majority of the code we're going to devise while developing our robowaifu's systems.
Also, there is an abundance of C++ developers around the world, and some are doing quite remarkable work. That is a great potential talent pool for /robowaifu/ to draw from. While not an unavoidably-critical item, it's certainly an important one to consider.
I don't mean to be a dick about it Anon, but quite frankly you're basically wasting your time in trying to convince me to use any other language for this project's systems code work. With humility, I claim that there is literally no better option available to us in existence, at this point in time, for that arena.
OTOH, since the author of Nim very wisely devised a transpiler-based approach for his language, and since it has both C & C++ code-generation facilities, then I think we can with good conscience use it as a sort of 'scripting language' to create code files that can afterwards be compiled in the traditional manner with traditional toolchains into binary executables for our robowaifu's microcontrollers, sensors, and other smol devices onboard.
Thus I'd approve of (and even recommend) you pursuing learning Nim on your own for just this purpose. However, you're still going to need to be able to write C to implement this process effectively & professionally. (>>20980
C++ (and C) syntax may make your eyes want to bleed, but it is what it is. Syntax is something you get used to (once you begin applying yourself to learning it). It's the algorithms
that are the difficult part. Great libraries can go a long way, but our devs here are all going to have to be very clever, regardless.
Please always keep in mind that everything we are doing here -- and especially
in their sum-total combination -- is groundbreaking. We're striving for something that literally is on the edge of what's even possible ATM. Almost everything here is going to prove difficult until we have in fact finally succeeded at doing it. You just have to resign yourself to that situation going in.
There really are no shortcuts here Grommet. As this Anon stated:
>"The hard part is coming up with the algorithms and ML systems needed to run the robowaifu, not writing the code itself. Thus the choice of programming language is largely irrelevant." (>>20982)
While he's a bit off-target (since efficiency in both time & space is critical
for our specific domain), he's fundamentally correct overall.
Thanks for reading my blogpost, Anon. Godspeed to us all! Cheers. :^)
Edited last time by Chobitsu on 03/05/2023 (Sun) 18:37:39.