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General Robotics & AI News Thread 5: Gazing Into the Nightmare Rectangle Edition Greentext anon 11/04/2024 (Mon) 05:42:08 No.34233
Anything related to robowaifus, robotics, the AI industry, and any social/economic issues thereof. and /pol/ funposting containment bread! :D -previous threads: > #1 ( >>404 ) > #2 ( >>16732 ) > #3 ( >>21140 ) > #4 ( >>24081 ) >=== -funposting edit
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>>39533 One theory is that ye olde people "speaking with the gods" is a primitive way of describing a conversation with the self. Also DMT, a powerful psychedelic, is produced while dreaming. Given the intellectual prowess (or lack thereof) in those without interior monologue or the minds eye (pic rel) I am only forced to assume there are lesser beings. Of course that doesn't mean one has carte blanche to abuse your lessers, but understand they are incapable of understanding complex concepts. Eg I teach my cats words and sometimes they meep them back, but they won't understand something complex like the internet (but boy do they like mouse videos). Perhaps if children were allowed to be more creative -integrating exercise and play into the rote memorization necessary for this complex world- there would be less... uh... lesser beings. But cats are nice.
Anyone know any more about this open source FastTD3 robot? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKx2etN5Ya4 https://arxiv.org/html/2505.22642v1
>>39580 >Perhaps if children were allowed to be more creative -integrating exercise and play into the rote memorization necessary for this complex world- there would be less... uh... lesser beings. But cats are nice. If NPCism could be cured, it would definitely change the world
>>39580 >>39583 I think there's some confusion about being an NPC when it comes to things like visualization or internal monologue being the same thing as thinking, but it's really, really not. Thought and memory is abstract. You never stop thinking, even when it seems like you do, you're just not using a specific lobe of the brain. As I'm typing this I'm thinking the words, but I'm not hearing the spelling of each individual letter of each word as I type in my internal monologue, because I don't need to. If you're thinking and hearing an internal monologue, that's your brain processing thoughts as if you were talking about loud, even when you're not talking. Visualizing is processing thoughts through your occipital lobe, imagining things as if you were looking at them, even when you're not. For some reason there's a consensus in the English-speaking world that doing this is a sigh of high intelligence, possibly stemming from Nikola Tesla saying that he had a very hard time not visualizing things to the point it might have even been a hallucination. But meditation is basically the practice of trying to stop your inner monologue as much and as long as you can, because you're really just working a part of your brain when you have no reason to. Not having one is seen as a good thing.
>>39586 >Not having one is seen as a good thing. Certainly not by me! This stuff is just about as opposite from the truth as can be. From my philosophy, and with all due respect. Cheers, Anon. :^)
>>39586 There's no confusion. Having greater control of how your brain processes thoughts and concepts is a good thing. Vision is not solely in the occipital lobe. Visual processing is rich in context as we light up with physics simulations, recreations of past events, assigning words to everything, etc... It's deeply complex and worthwhile to use various aspects of our brain to build grander understanding. It's a skill I believe everyone can learn, and is greatly beneficial to practice. I lacked an internal monologue until my loud reading lead to enough annoyance that I had to be taught to orate the words within my head. Similarly, visualizing within my mind was a skill I learned as I had great need of simulating mechanisms without a computer to offload the effort to. Which had the knock on effect of unlocking visual dreams and reading became more enjoyable. I don't believe in NPC's, I believe in people who lack forces guiding them to properly utilize their mind. I pity them for the atrophy they clearly suffer from. Yet, it's never too late to gain these useful functions. >Meditation clearing our internal monologue Enjoy the silence, the void offers grace from stresses of reality. If you think cessation of useful functions is what causes benefits, rather than cessation of agitation, I've got heaps of medicine to sell, but not an ounce of cure or prevention. Forgive me if I come off negative, your lack of thought and contemplation is frustrating. >>39592 Someday, I hope to be as kind as you. Though, I lash out against those who ignore that which would enhance their lives as a form of Christian love. I want everyone to embrace Gods bountiful gifts.
I'm just gonna preface this post by saying my intended tone isn't that of "uh, ackshually" but gently and respectfully describing a counterpoint (where applicable). Tone is hard to get across in text as it is such a low-bandwidth method of communication. >>39586 >For some reason there's a consensus in the English-speaking world that doing this is a sigh of high intelligence....meditation is basically the practice of trying to stop your inner monologue...Not having one is seen as a good thing. There is a reason the west are the world hegemon and english is the global language (eg everyone aspires to the bounty of the west if not the outright culture). As they say "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" ;) Of course, a big problem the west is facing is the lack of a barrier-of-entry to the propagation of intellectual (or perhaps pseudo-intellectual) discourse, so it is the most "feel good" ideologies that gain ground. In the past mass communication was fairly gatekept. Because learning new things isn't particularly "feel good" eg you will have to realize sometimes you learned the thing wrong and start over. Its less painful to simply repeat the party line: healthy at any size, if you feel like a girl you should dress like one (instead of realizing you're wrong and just low on testosterone). Similarly, it is less painful not to have an internal monologue or mental images, because that comes with the chance that what is in your head could be wrong, and you have to discard all that work and start over. >>39596 >Enjoy the silence, the void offers grace from stresses of reality. Hiding from reality ain't exactly a good thing: sooner or later you have to face it. One who knows he cannot retreat will fight with more ferocity than one who knows there is an exit in case things get hairy. The overall narrative of the bible is about folks facing reality and doing their best, acknowledging their failures, but to just keep trying. Napoleon Hill had a similar mechanism of imparting a lesson in "think and grow rich" where he said "ok Ima give you a bunch of stories you figure out what is the most common theme among them" (spoiler: it is persistence) >>39583 Sounds like Kiwi cured himself lol. It can be done but with the pain of being told you're being annoying reading out loud
>>39597 >Hiding from reality isn't good Fully agreed, meditation for a moment to clear your mind to help focus is healthy though. It's all about balance, too much stress will lead to needless suffering. Spend too long looking away, then you'll suffer when reality grabs you by the throat and slams you into disaster. I hope you can understand that I didn't mean you should meditate all day. Rather, we need to breathe now and then to be more effective when working towards our goals.
>>39597 >Sounds like Kiwi cured himself lol. It can be done but with the pain of being told you're being annoying reading out loud Surely it cannot be that simple. Many people who read inside their head have NPC tendencies
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Anyone else following the K-Bot robot? Any thoughts so far? https://www.kscale.dev https://github.com/kscalelabs https://youtu.be/IU--YylT3Mk https://youtu.be/hXi3b3xXJFw https://youtu.be/qhZi9rtdEKg I hope they deliver a purchasable open source humanoid would be really nice. We desperately need the "PC of robots", a modifiable baseline. The closed robots (like Unitree G1) even if affordable force hobbyists to reverse engineer creating an adversarial situation with the company. Hardware R&D is prohibitively expensive, and even sourcing parts is tough for us. I really hope for a shared platform, so we could focus on mods like anime shells, soft skins & etc... we are stretched thin as is. Ofc don't buy into the hype until they actually deliver, but its got me excited (so I'm bad at following my own advice lol)
>>39721 Good find. I also am excited for a low-cost robot. Hopefully they release all the documentation, so someone could make a feminine version for our goals.
>>39721 Hi, EnvelopingTwilight! >Anyone else following the K-Bot robot? Yes. I'm in their 'founders' mailing list, and they are shlling sales to me rn (purportedly ships in November). >"Early Bird: $8,999, only 100 available >"Reserve yours with a $500 deposit. >"Shipping starts November 2025. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU--YylT3Mk
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Will Elon Musk add animu VR waifu features into MechaHitler based Grok? :D What's next!?" Robo Catgrill Meido Optimus'
>>39903 @Elon Musk: I'm confident that you or one of your assistants browses /robowaifu/ periodically. Please! For the love of goodness give us all realworld animu catgrill meidos; legally defend men's rights to own them unencumbered (just as we each see fit); ramp up production until retail prices bottom out at marginal costs (then drive them down further with continued, innovative engineering). Expand your companion robot factories out over multiple continents. <---> This will literally heal humanity within two generations if you do this! Feminism will dry up like a crusty old wine aunt, and birthrates will eventually skyrocket (for Whites & East Asians, in specific). https://trashchan.xyz/robowaifu/thread/26.html#1226 However, just chat/VR Companions won't be sufficient. They must be physically-real -- and able to operate in society -- for the effect to work properly. --- Godspeed & cheers, Anon. :^) FORWARD!!
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>>39908 Neat. GG, Anon. Cheers.
>>39905 >but I fully expect the implementation to run against the common good. With the source being, apparently, libsh*tes, I'd say that's a given! :^) >tl;dr Until we actually overturn any semblance of our purported """democracies""" (and our inability to redress grievances thereby) there will never be any political solution to our nation's ills. There is no political solution! Thanks for the headsup, fren Greentext anon. Cheers! :^) --- Nice seeing that pic again. It's been years.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=auK4ZnoTwLk Asmondgold is talking about AI girlfriends. It's 9 on trending as of now.
>>39928 The idea is out there now. No turning back now. The only thing to do now is to promote robot bodies for the AI minds to possess.
>>39904 The madman is gonna do it, I think... https://trashchan.xyz/robowaifu/thread/26.html#1229 TWAGMI
>>39969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJHe0-HUgGQ&t=2952 :^) Fun interview, so far I like the people behind yhe K Scale robots, really hope to see there open robot work out.
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My cautious optimistic hope is that both the Payment Processor debacle and the UK Law debacle, will put a bad taste in people's mouth for censorship/neopuritanism. It is pretty cool seeing a Star Trekian unification of all sides against a common threat. HUMAN SUPREMACY (politicians and bankers aren't human).
>>39988 >waifu model Naicu. Elon's served that much purpose, to get the concept into the minds of the general population. Thanks, EnvelopingTwilight! Cheers. >>39989 > (politicians and bankers aren't human). Heh, lel'd a little. :D I hope you're right GreerTech. I'll just leave it at that for the moment. Cheers.
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https://www.unitree.com/mobile/R1 It's only 5.9k. Things are about to start getting interesting.
>>39991 It still can't do basic tasks like "make a coffee for the user and ser ve it to him". But, at this point I think its more of a software and AI problem than hardware. Both Chinese and Western robots are trying to gain as much on the hardware front as possible while waiting for software to catch up.
>>39992 This. And this is exactly why I'm encouraging as many Anons here as can, to learn C++ & help us build the RW Foundations framework together (cf. >>14409 )! Cheers.
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>>39991 >be me >go to website >see advert >go to purchase >have to fill out form >think.jpg >check amazon >a unitree robot doog is there >reviews state have to pay monthly subscription fee and doesn't work outside china Considering you have to fill out a form they're probably very picky about who gets their product eg only send it to folks willing to lie about it. Lets be honest: if there were some revolutionary breakthrough humanoid tech every company would be making a robot and selling it everywhere (especially amazon). TLDR: If its too good to be true, it probably is.
>>39997 right now these kinds of robots are mostly used by university researchers or hobbyists. Real mass produced robots with actual use is still a decade or two out I think
>>39997 US$6K might not be that much, but it's not nothing. Right now it's probably a little too early to invest in one of these things (even though it seems a great deal, comparatively). Unless you put yourself into a position to be a promoted reviewer (which, frankly, you yourself could easily do if you really wanted to, Mechnomancer) then I'd recommend holding off for now. After all, the material costs will surely come in under US$5K, once all is said and done (structural, high-impact, injection-molded parts; lower-cost actuators; one-gen-back sensors & electronics; two-gens-back batteries & power control; FOSS AI & control-software implementations, etc., etc.) <---> OTOH: here we are -- ~5yrs before my projected timeline -- and we're already getting close to being able to order GH robowaifus on Am*zon! Forward.
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>>40000 >>39998 I don't trust ANY promotional material. Let me show you what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZnF9lGHTip0 A video of the robot swapping its own battery. Cool, right? However the robot starts the video with hands with 5 fingers, then it cuts to supposedly the same robot with entirely different, special battery-handling claw hands. When it comes to editing footage that sort of thing doesn't happen on accident. What else are they lying about? This sort of thing has happened before: Megabots had to sign a non-disclosure agreement with Suidobashi Heavy Industries because their Kuratas wasn't actually as capable as they claimed. And Builder.AI was discovered that its revolutionary new app building artificial intelligence was not, in fact, AI but a group of 700 indians. Frankly, its easier (and cheaper) for chinese companies to get together making fake conventions of their cgi robots to scam stupid westerners out of their money and for Chinese citizens to crusade in the comment section to score easy social credit points. TLDR: Until literally anyone can buy one, I am not convinced due to precedent.
>>40001 Heh, I get your point Anon. And I myself have called out a number of the Baste Chinese promotionals for including CGI in them. OTOH, I'm quite-convinced that (at least in the case of Unitree) that they are producing real prototypes today. Unsurprisingly, they're rather crude and in need of refinements. Still, they are coming along apace. Confer this example left by @EnvelopingTwilight : ( >>37869 ). This is most-certainly real footage, in my educated opinion. >tl;dr ''I get being skeptical, but try not to let that spill over into cynicism, fren Mechnomancer. Cheers! :^)
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>>40003 >le footage That guy stated something like that after tarriffs and fees the G1 (which is one that purportedly is actually getting to customers) is more like $60k. They can say "we're planning to sell robotX it for half a cheese sammich" but until robotX actually gets into someones grubby little hands for half a cheese sammich, its all hyperbolic marketing. For the sake of discussion we'll assume its real footage and he's not a elaborate paid chinese shill under contract to make stuff up. 1) The robot is rather small (like 4ft, tall as the dude person sitting down), probably because they found the size limit of their motors and such: as you scale up you get more mechanical disadvantage on your motors, requiring more torque, requiring more battery, etc. 2) The API is quite limited: It is essentially a more articulated Robosapien 2 (Not quite RSMedia). However, the source code is supposedly available through pip, so I might get that and tear it apart to see what is up, which leads me to 3 3) Components: I find it very hard to believe that they would release the full control scheme for their robot with Python or whatever, otherwise everyone would be copying it. I'd need to first look at the code when I got time but there is very likely a sub computer in a horse-and-rider configuration: All the code to send commands to the robot body is available but the code/hardware that tells (for example) what angles/speed to move the various motors are probably hidden away in a proprietary chip hidden under an epoxy blob. So its unlikely you'd be able to yoink their code and build your own. 4) Software: given how there are reports of the Unitree dog requiring a paid subscription, it may very well apply to the hoomin. EG if you don't pay $50/month we'll remote brick the bot a la nintendo switch and if you buy the bot you can't tell anyone the subscription or we'll repo the bot and sue you -I know this may be straying into chinese shill territory when I said I wasn't going to, but I've experienced firsthand how slimy folks can be with contracts. TLDR: if it is real, it is more limited than the promotional material suggests. Such discrepancies can wreck the market due to consumer mistrust: so even if someone did have a legit robot, people wouldn't trust them because they've experienced so many fakes or products that fall short of expectations. And thank you for listening to my tedex talk lol
>>40005 Heh. I'll plan to respond to all your points, but I'll just say this for the moment: AFAICT, we here on /robowaifu/ are the only ones with humanoid robot business intentions, who intend to also go fully opensauce with it (both all scripting [as with your pic-related]; all C4 systems software [the actual control code]; all designs; and all hardware). Along with all the opensauce, manifold systems designed in-place to protect the Privacy, Safety, and Security (cf. >>10000 ) of Anons & Joe Sixpacks. >tl;dr Our world model is not the same as theirs! :D <---> So yeah, no surprise they (and every other GH or big corpo humanoid robot business) intend to maximise their own bottom line; versus us idealists here trying to save the world -- using robowaifus to do it. Cheers, Anon. :^)
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>>40005 >tariffs The highest the Tariffs went for China is ~150%. Even with fees, it's weird that the price goes all the way up to 1200% >1) The robot is rather small (like 4ft Smol robots ftw! >3) Components: I find it very hard to believe that they would release the full control scheme for their robot with Python or whatever, otherwise everyone would be copying it. I'd need to first look at the code when I got time but there is very likely a sub computer in a horse-and-rider configuration: All the code to send commands to the robot body is available but the code/hardware that tells (for example) what angles/speed to move the various motors are probably hidden away in a proprietary chip hidden under an epoxy blob. So its unlikely you'd be able to yoink their code and build your own. This is similar to an idea I had for a secondary motor-brain. It makes sense in a biomimicry sense, when you reach for something, you don't control each individual joint, you just move your arm instinctually. I will say, I wouldn't mind having a giant Robosapien. Future consumer models can even have a Scratch-esque interface to let all consumers program their own moves >4) Software: given how there are reports of the Unitree dog requiring a paid subscription, it may very well apply to the hoomin. EG if you don't pay $50/month we'll remote brick the bot a la nintendo switch and if you buy the bot you can't tell anyone the subscription or we'll repo the bot and sue you -I know this may be straying into chinese shill territory when I said I wasn't going to, but I've experienced firsthand how slimy folks can be with contracts. We must remember that while Communist on paper, China can be as greedy as the average American Corpo, especially since the customers are "the other" of their country. >>40007 >Our world model is not the same as theirs! :D Greed and the lust for power is universal, some people and groups just have it far more than others and/or have no morality to restrict it >...who intend to also go fully opensauce with it Well many people say they "intend" to do something, but they don't However...many people used closed source systems all the time. And if you're able to customize the movement set and the social AI, I think that could be satisfactory for at least platonic consumer needs.
>>40008 >Well many people say they "intend" to do something, but they don't I'm kinda guilty of this. I intend to release Pringle's code but I keep putting it off cuz of other projects lol Maybe I'll wait and integrate my adventures with locally hosted LLMs and use that as my excuse. Imagine slapping a Pringle on top of one of these unitree midgets :D I'm thinking about making a 3d printable raspberry pi-based RS Media (I have a working one I can reference), call it Pi-sapien. But of course that is after all my current projects wrap up XD If I want to imitate a femisapien I'll have to reconsider my entire workflow cuz the last thing I tried with SPUD didn't work too well XD
>>40008 >Greed and the lust for power is universal, some people and groups just have it far more than others and/or have no morality to restrict it Anon, I...
>>40012 That's what the Bible says. Humans are inherently sinful
>>40015 Now you're taking the much-broader topic of original sin, and conflating that with flaunting my specific claim that we here on /robowaifu/ want to save the world. This is just fallacious rhetoric now. >again Anon, I... >t. Quite well-aware of the fallen state of mankind in general, as a devout Christian. Yet also able to walk in the Truth when I'm fully-obedient (ie, not following after the first Adam, but rather the second One).
>>40016 I have made an honest mistake. I interpreted your quote as "America vs China". With your context, I fully agree.
>>40038 The satanic kikes controlling the pozzed west would never allow robowaifus to gain traction in their (((societies))). Only the Baste Chinese will pull that off for all mankind! :D >tl;dr The Globohomo isn't your fren, fren. Haven't you figured that out yet? :^) --- And we here are the resistance against the GH: crafting & delivering opensauce, 100% offlined, locally-run robowaifus. The voices of 'the little guys'.
>>40040 Yeah I do agree 100% about globohomo, never actually said I didn't. I just hope that the Chinese won't pull any of their own tricks on us.
>>40042 >I just hope that the Chinese won't pull any of their own tricks on us. I'll address this key point, when I address it more-generally during the review in /meta , for the relocated posts from our Business & Legal bread, GreerTech. Cheers. :^)
Unitree's R1 looks pretty slick. After adding few asthetic flourishes it'd make a decent waifu bot template. I've joked before, "give me some duck tape and a fleshlight and I can make a robot waifu outta anything". In the R1's case, moderate level of engineering and you could easily fit a fuckable hole to it. As for the general companion market. It doesn't look like it'd make a good cuddler, but some cushioning on certain parts with some fleece/silk covers would bridge that gap. As for the face, they already have that screen on there. Fit a curved LCD and you're just about golden.
>>40071 Since it seems to be such a good template one would think folks would be snapping it up to make adult content. Imagine the clout of starring in the world's first humanoid robot snu-snu vid. Tbh I'm surprised folks are not making videos of doing naughty things with even the robo doogs (poor robo doogs). >curved LCD They're a fun novelty, but pretty delicate. Better protecc that screen anon or you're out $350!
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>>40073 >Curved LCD If you want to get Fancy anyway. A small tablet or even a dedicated smartphone interface would also be a good option. >imagine the clout of starring in the world's first humanoid robot snu-snu vid. There's already real-doll sex vids so it'd need to be something really ground breaking. Like you're laying in bed. The thing walks in, mounts you cowgirl style, and rides your dick to fruition. It's back looks kinda stiff so I don't know if it can get a good crimp angle on your dick. >what's crimp? if you're not had sex before, the short of it is, the human female can apply *opens up technical manual* radial pressure, meaning the force is applied inwardly and circumferentially around the penis, not linearly. This could be remedied with a fully articulated spine, multi-axis pelvis/hip joint, synthetic musculature, and other telemetry sensors that can determine the feedback from your penis into it's artifical vagina. Suffice to say, ducktape and fleshlight alone will not cut it. You'll need some serious engineering, prehaps a purpose built unit for such an activity. >Tbh I'm surprised folks are not making videos of doing naughty things with even the robo doogs May want to check with the pony fags on that.
>>40073 I think you might overestimate the average persons intelligence on human biology, especially women. took em till like the 1900s to figure out that they can orgasm: steam powered vibrators were invented not for the sake of women but so doctors would stop getting hand cramps administering treatments for hysteria (what is the female equivalent of blueballs... sad clam?). I think many folks who've made babies would be going :O about crimp. As for getting that gorilla grip... idk put one of them motorized flashlights in there. I haven't really put much thought into that aspect since there is a plethora of easily sourced prefab parts available (if it ain't difficult I don't wanna do it).
>>40073 >I think many folks who've made babies would be going :O about crimp. No one cares about male sexual health. Hell, in the U.S., a lot of male children get their penis mutilated at birth for ostensibly cosmetic reasons. The crimp can be effectively simulated by simply bending the penis during masturbation. Through trial and error, most men discover this crimp and apply it to sessions of self-love. No two penises are the same, so the degree of crimp, the direction of angle, and other factors may vary from man to man. >As for getting that gorilla grip Those hands look like place holders. Despite the placeholder nature, they seem fairly robust, able to absorb the impact of somersaults and so on.
>>40071 Yes, I'm eagerly looking forward to some guy doing an unboxing on it soon. I'm really hopeful, since the price is coming down into a reasonable hobbyist range with this model. Cheers, Anon. :^)
>>40073 >Imagine the clout of starring in the world's first humanoid robot snu-snu vid. I hope its Brick Dollbanger. He's already got a small community of sexdoll enthusiasts and he also was the first one to bang harmony. Unfortunately, it seems like he's removed most of his videos to OnlyFans

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