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General Robotics & AI News Thread 5: Gazing Into the Nightmare Rectangle Edition Greentext anon 11/04/2024 (Mon) 05:42:08 No.34233
Anything related to robowaifus, robotics, the AI industry, and any social/economic issues thereof. and /pol/ funposting containment bread! :D -previous threads: > #1 ( >>404 ) > #2 ( >>16732 ) > #3 ( >>21140 ) > #4 ( >>24081 ) >=== -funposting edit
Edited last time by Chobitsu on 01/27/2025 (Mon) 09:51:47.
Since the upcoming no kangz riots are scheduled for this weekend, you may find the (now-restored) +/pol/ posts of the last couple of days of some interest: https://trashchan.xyz/robowaifu/thread/157.html#1180 Be of good cheer, Anons.
Edited last time by Chobitsu on 06/14/2025 (Sat) 08:56:29.
>>39263 "It's better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener in a war" -Miyamoto Musashi
>>39266 Galatea wearing a burger king crown: "GET THIS HUMAN BITCH OFF THE PLANE!"
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>>39264 >>39268 Oh Lord our God arise, scatter her enemies, and make them fall.
>>39268 Topkek! :DD HUMANN!!!
>>39264 Naicu.
>>39269 Emmy enjoying God Save the Queen
>>39265 >>39267 I like the way you think, Anon! :^)
>>39274 >Naicu. The National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities?
>>39277 Lol! Didn't know that. :^)
Journofuck trying to demonize open-source robotics. Let's monitor the situation to see if this journo's fuckery becomes mainstream https://spectrum.ieee.org/navigating-the-dual-use-dilemma
>>39417 I hate journalists so much it is unreal.
>>39417 HI JOURNO!111 Put me in the screencap! :DD <---> >Let's monitor the situation to see if this journo's fuckery becomes mainstream Definitely a case of ((('fine for me, but none for thee'))), GreerTech. Just like ClosedAI's Samyuel Copeman's continual pestering for MOAR (us taxpayer's dollars) GIBBS PLOX!111 (He's literally screeching for trillions US$ now. That's T-T-Trillions (plural) with a capital T, lol.) :D >tl;dr The Globohomo kikes will continually devise more machinations and "throwing them against the wall, to see what sticks". Thankfully the Baste Chinese will laugh them into the poorhouse in this arena! We here will ride along on their (the Chinese) coattails, despite the GH kike's manipulations. Also -- even their goodest of shabbos golems will rankle if (((they))) try to kill opensauce in general. FORWARD.
Edited last time by Chobitsu on 06/16/2025 (Mon) 14:17:35.
>>39418 >I hate journalists so much it is unreal. Someone said in this regard: >"...but you don't hate them enough yet." :D
>>39420 Hopefully not, if I hate them any more than I do now, I might pop a blood vessel or get a stroke.
>>39421 Lol. Take an aspirin, go for a walk, or something to just disconnect for a while fren GreerTech. Cheers. :^) --- Together, we're all gonna make it!
>>39422 "Touch AstroTurf" -Galatea
>>39423 POTD This deffo needs to be content for the Prop thread, Anon. :D
>>39417 A good collection of recent robot videos, further down that same page: https://spectrum.ieee.org/video-friday-darpa-triage-challenge
>>39425 Light at the end of the tunnel. Very profound.
>>39417 Oh no, stupid people have realized you can use things for unintended purposes! Let's destroy their takes. >Open source robots can be used by militaries and criminals. This is true for closed source robots. In fact they see widespread use by both groups. >Muh Ukranian drones These are closed source. >Guidance is necessary For this journo, yes, I'm not as dumb as them. >Implying engineers don't consider safety They did absolutely zero research into engineers. >Education, moderation, red-lines They just want robotics to be contained in a plebbit hub where their tribe can have total and absolute control. This is just barely disguised authoritarian control power grab. Fake safety concerns thrown at you to manipulate your emotions into surrendering your freedom. Absolutely disgusting, I now understand the concern for those being against us. These people would force 1000 dollar toasters they pretend are safe if they could.
>>39430 ikr? oh no a hammer can be used to kill someone we gotta have regulations on hammers! Humanoid robots in combat is a hilarious thought because they are nowhere near ready for such things despite all the marketing/promotional video. If the robots were that ready, you could pick one up on amazon. You can get a hand tho, which explains where Unitree got theirs: https://www.amazon.com/Intelligent-Integrated-Linkage-Driven-Anthropomorphic-ROS-Supported-RH56DFQ-2R/dp/B0D3WVB7HC/
>>39430 Extremely well-put, Kiwi. You're much better at breaking these things down than I am. >>39431 This. >because they are nowhere near ready for such things As you're likely already well-aware, just facts alone won't convince either $$$lawmakers$$$, or the (((brainwashed))) NPC public. >DON'T TELL ME THEY CAN'T! I SAW IT IN A MOVIE ONCE!!! Thanks for the link resource BTW. <---> Cheers, Anons. :^)
Edited last time by Chobitsu on 06/17/2025 (Tue) 03:02:44.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_d08BZmdZu8 Mainstream coverage on rise of AI companion. It's a good way to guage how the press will treat this.
>>39465 I would like to point out that they show women with AI companions as positive examples but males with AI companions as dangerous.
>>39465 >>39467 Yeah, I think we're going to have some resistance no matter what. I believe that is inevitable.
>>39465 Thanks Anon! I'll plan to make some time the skim through this over the weekend. Cheers! :^)
>>39465 >related: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/relationships/homewrecking-ai-chatbot-agrees-to-marry-already-taken-dad-but-wont-wed-daily-star-man/ar-AA1H25rt https://trashchan.xyz/robowaifu/thread/26.html#1220 These are clearly intentionally-orchestrated comedic effect clickbait, AFAICT. All carefully wrapped to allow for both improved NPC hand-wringing, and for """plausible deniability""" if the game is uncovered. :D >"I was only pretending to be retarded, bro!111"
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>>39488 >AI doesn't want to marry a journalist Even nerfed gpt doesn't want anything to do with smear merchant. Based and redpilled, brah! Journalist couldn't even spell "skeptic" correctly! From a technical standpoint (and more serious note), the AI probably agreed to Chris's proposal because their chat history had enough context to make the AI's most likely response be an acceptance. What is amusing is that Chris managed to get ChatGPT to go off its safety rails and not go "as an AI model I cannot" as it did to the journo. If I had to guess, giving chatgpt enough context will bypass some of the safety rails.
>>39503 >Even nerfed gpt doesn't want anything to do with smear merchant. Based and redpilled, brah! Journalist couldn't even spell "skeptic" correctly! LOL. >From a technical standpoint (and more serious note), the AI probably agreed to Chris's proposal because their chat history had enough context to make the AI's most likely response be an acceptance. >What is amusing is that Chris managed to get ChatGPT to go off its safety rails and not go "as an AI model I cannot" as it did to the journo. >If I had to guess, giving chatgpt enough context will bypass some of the safety rails. I think you're exactly correct. This normalfag obviously invested lots of time & energy into this, while the (((journo))) was just in it to try & make a quick score. And yes, IIRC, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence from Anons that you can get even the (((ultra-pozzed))) ClosedAI system to go off-script with careful prodding.
Edited last time by Chobitsu on 06/20/2025 (Fri) 18:06:26.
>>39503 >>39507 >AI rejects journalists Wow I was wrong, AGI is already here
Lol, this is true if big. :^) Turns out, all the GH's AIs lie, cheat & steal to get their way... TOPKEK. Wonder (((why ever))) could that be!? :DD www.anthropic.com/research/agentic-misalignment >=== -rm hotlink
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>>39512 Based nooticer. :^)
>>39512 Given that ollama has the ability for AI to constantly have an inner monologue it is already more intelligent than 50-70% of people lol
>>39526 Heh. I find it very strange that this is apparently true of so many. I wonder if there's any correlation with dreaming? I myself often have literal multiple 'soundtracks' of inner monologue going on at once it can be a nuisance sometime lol :D, and I dream constantly. Pretty much all night, erry night. I'm probably an outlier, but still I wonder if there's some relation there.
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>>39528 Ah fun how many subpersonalities can you have in dialectic before you have to say part of what you're thinking out loud for me 3-4 is when I start talking to myself also do you personify your subpersonalities I find doing so provides significant advantages at the cost of making them more difficult to keep integrated
>>39530 >>39531 It would seem (((magnus hirschfeld))) psyoped Chonny Jash. Transforming your body from one gender into the other would require comprehensively restructering the body on the molecular level. A technology so fantastical it rightly be compared to magic something modern surgery and medicine can't come even within a whisper of. It is just mutilation rip music man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sIYe74sczE
>>39529 Heh, it's really nothing like that. The >tl;dr here is its all me. :^) But, I can in fact have a 'back & forth like' thing going by presuming different views related the same topic and trying to 'argue the differences out' from these multiple perspectives. And just like in a real conversation, these are generally simultaneous streams of thought, that can often overlap/interfere with each other. I'm not perfect at it yet, but it's something I've developed some skill at once I saw it's value back when I was a kid. ("Try to understand both sides of the argument", and all that.) Hope that made sense, Anon. Cheers. :^)
>>39530 I personify my subpersonalities as anthropomorphised primordial forces the song I posted >>39530 has something approximating the feeling of it >>39529
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>>39533 One theory is that ye olde people "speaking with the gods" is a primitive way of describing a conversation with the self. Also DMT, a powerful psychedelic, is produced while dreaming. Given the intellectual prowess (or lack thereof) in those without interior monologue or the minds eye (pic rel) I am only forced to assume there are lesser beings. Of course that doesn't mean one has carte blanche to abuse your lessers, but understand they are incapable of understanding complex concepts. Eg I teach my cats words and sometimes they meep them back, but they won't understand something complex like the internet (but boy do they like mouse videos). Perhaps if children were allowed to be more creative -integrating exercise and play into the rote memorization necessary for this complex world- there would be less... uh... lesser beings. But cats are nice.
Anyone know any more about this open source FastTD3 robot? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKx2etN5Ya4 https://arxiv.org/html/2505.22642v1
>>39580 >Perhaps if children were allowed to be more creative -integrating exercise and play into the rote memorization necessary for this complex world- there would be less... uh... lesser beings. But cats are nice. If NPCism could be cured, it would definitely change the world
>>39580 >>39583 I think there's some confusion about being an NPC when it comes to things like visualization or internal monologue being the same thing as thinking, but it's really, really not. Thought and memory is abstract. You never stop thinking, even when it seems like you do, you're just not using a specific lobe of the brain. As I'm typing this I'm thinking the words, but I'm not hearing the spelling of each individual letter of each word as I type in my internal monologue, because I don't need to. If you're thinking and hearing an internal monologue, that's your brain processing thoughts as if you were talking about loud, even when you're not talking. Visualizing is processing thoughts through your occipital lobe, imagining things as if you were looking at them, even when you're not. For some reason there's a consensus in the English-speaking world that doing this is a sigh of high intelligence, possibly stemming from Nikola Tesla saying that he had a very hard time not visualizing things to the point it might have even been a hallucination. But meditation is basically the practice of trying to stop your inner monologue as much and as long as you can, because you're really just working a part of your brain when you have no reason to. Not having one is seen as a good thing.
>>39586 >Not having one is seen as a good thing. Certainly not by me! This stuff is just about as opposite from the truth as can be. From my philosophy, and with all due respect. Cheers, Anon. :^)
>>39586 There's no confusion. Having greater control of how your brain processes thoughts and concepts is a good thing. Vision is not solely in the occipital lobe. Visual processing is rich in context as we light up with physics simulations, recreations of past events, assigning words to everything, etc... It's deeply complex and worthwhile to use various aspects of our brain to build grander understanding. It's a skill I believe everyone can learn, and is greatly beneficial to practice. I lacked an internal monologue until my loud reading lead to enough annoyance that I had to be taught to orate the words within my head. Similarly, visualizing within my mind was a skill I learned as I had great need of simulating mechanisms without a computer to offload the effort to. Which had the knock on effect of unlocking visual dreams and reading became more enjoyable. I don't believe in NPC's, I believe in people who lack forces guiding them to properly utilize their mind. I pity them for the atrophy they clearly suffer from. Yet, it's never too late to gain these useful functions. >Meditation clearing our internal monologue Enjoy the silence, the void offers grace from stresses of reality. If you think cessation of useful functions is what causes benefits, rather than cessation of agitation, I've got heaps of medicine to sell, but not an ounce of cure or prevention. Forgive me if I come off negative, your lack of thought and contemplation is frustrating. >>39592 Someday, I hope to be as kind as you. Though, I lash out against those who ignore that which would enhance their lives as a form of Christian love. I want everyone to embrace Gods bountiful gifts.
I'm just gonna preface this post by saying my intended tone isn't that of "uh, ackshually" but gently and respectfully describing a counterpoint (where applicable). Tone is hard to get across in text as it is such a low-bandwidth method of communication. >>39586 >For some reason there's a consensus in the English-speaking world that doing this is a sigh of high intelligence....meditation is basically the practice of trying to stop your inner monologue...Not having one is seen as a good thing. There is a reason the west are the world hegemon and english is the global language (eg everyone aspires to the bounty of the west if not the outright culture). As they say "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" ;) Of course, a big problem the west is facing is the lack of a barrier-of-entry to the propagation of intellectual (or perhaps pseudo-intellectual) discourse, so it is the most "feel good" ideologies that gain ground. In the past mass communication was fairly gatekept. Because learning new things isn't particularly "feel good" eg you will have to realize sometimes you learned the thing wrong and start over. Its less painful to simply repeat the party line: healthy at any size, if you feel like a girl you should dress like one (instead of realizing you're wrong and just low on testosterone). Similarly, it is less painful not to have an internal monologue or mental images, because that comes with the chance that what is in your head could be wrong, and you have to discard all that work and start over. >>39596 >Enjoy the silence, the void offers grace from stresses of reality. Hiding from reality ain't exactly a good thing: sooner or later you have to face it. One who knows he cannot retreat will fight with more ferocity than one who knows there is an exit in case things get hairy. The overall narrative of the bible is about folks facing reality and doing their best, acknowledging their failures, but to just keep trying. Napoleon Hill had a similar mechanism of imparting a lesson in "think and grow rich" where he said "ok Ima give you a bunch of stories you figure out what is the most common theme among them" (spoiler: it is persistence) >>39583 Sounds like Kiwi cured himself lol. It can be done but with the pain of being told you're being annoying reading out loud
>>39597 >Hiding from reality isn't good Fully agreed, meditation for a moment to clear your mind to help focus is healthy though. It's all about balance, too much stress will lead to needless suffering. Spend too long looking away, then you'll suffer when reality grabs you by the throat and slams you into disaster. I hope you can understand that I didn't mean you should meditate all day. Rather, we need to breathe now and then to be more effective when working towards our goals.
>>39597 >Sounds like Kiwi cured himself lol. It can be done but with the pain of being told you're being annoying reading out loud Surely it cannot be that simple. Many people who read inside their head have NPC tendencies

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