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Debate of intelligence is one that we wouldn't be able to conclude. After all we are yet to see any intelligent species outsides ourselves.
Do you believe that animals are intelligent? A cat for example can calculate a safe route based on environmental dangers. Does that make cat intelligent or does that make cat just a very intuitive being? The same can be said for bees. Did you know that bees have special dances to report location of a target. They make us of
a- The distance that their dance starts and ends at
b- The speed
c- The angle between the lines they follow alongside the dance
So, indeed, bees can calculate angles distance and even derivative in speed function by intuition. They have been doing this great map engineering before humans even knew their existence.
But no one can claim that bees are intelligent. Or in the same manner a robot that solves a maze is not intelligent either. Do you know why? Because intelligence is not the ability to gain information and act based on that. In order to speak of intelligence, the adaptation must be new, it must be the result of an invention that can be attributed to an individual or a group, and not the application of a hereditary mechanism that is inherent to the whole lineage.
And even so, if you recall the famous banana experiment in which a chimpanzee was provided with boxes in the room to reach the banana on the ceiling, the chimpanzee made itself a staircase using those. Does that mean that the attribute of intelligence can be applied to chimpanzees? Again, no. Because I said that
>In order to speak of intelligence [...]
Not in order to conclude intelligence. Intelligence exists in very different types in humans. We have social intelligence, musical intelligence, logical intelligence, language intelligence etc... But if you insist on belittle intelligence into one single definition I would have to go with something like
>The ability to question and represent entities alongside with their properties, environmental conditions and patterns outside the hereditary mechanism, to report symbolically and to think and develop according to these reports.
That's why both us and chimpanzees make music. Chimpanzees have a pattern recognition mechanism. But they do not have the capacity to write notes, capacity to dedicate emotions to music, capacity to differentiate a "beautiful" thing with a "vulgar" thing. They have never written a poem. They have never painted something with emotions. Humans did all of these because we have
emotional intelligence. You can derive emotional intelligence from the definition that I provided. We developed our sense of music and processed the consequences of our actions. Cain murdered Able, but even so he learned that death itself holds a value. He learned that there exists good and bad. We have witnessed death of our loved ones, we have witnessed moon and sun setting and we have drawn the conclusion that everything on this planet are temporary beings. We represented those things through language, we had Philosophical debates, we even created formal logic. This is what sets us apart from bees. That is our wicked story that starts with Adam eating the apple and realising the existence of pure devil and how it tries to harm humans.
So in short intelligence is a set of different properties that we
developed. It wasn't in our nature like the bees. Nor was it an algorithmic progress like AI models. And the starting point for this is to learn the world semantically. A maze solver is not intelligent because it doesn't understand what a maze even is.
>Argue with clear definitions and logic
I have been doing that so far. That's why I write here and not on Twitter/X. And that's also why I demand that before someone talks about AGI they know that no current model is anywhere close to humans when it comes to declarative (semantic and episodic ) memory. And maybe then they won't act based on hype.
>telling someone who is trying to add information in good faith to shut up is wrong
Good faith does not always lead to good consequences. There is a famous story in which a man makes a friend of a bear. After chatting for a while the man is very tired and demands to sleep near a tree. The bear tells him that he will watch over the man while he sleeps. During the sleep a mosquite lands on the face of the man, seeing that the bear gets anxious that the mosquito can disturb the mans sleep and with all its power it hits on the mosquito, resulting in breaking the neck of the man.
Just for the record: I am not trying anyone here to shut up. But out there exists soykaf devs who keep blabbering about how AGI will happen within 10 years. As I said above. This will be used to regulate AI research. Because AGI causes fear.