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Artificial Wombs general Robowaifu Technician 09/12/2019 (Thu) 03:11:54 No.157
I think we need to figure out how to fit a womb onto a waifubot. Where's the fun in having sex if you can't procreate?

Repost from a thread on /b/;
>"If you're like me and want to fuck a qt battlebot and get her pregnant, the best place to put an artificial womb is where a normal womb would be on a normal girl. The metal exterior could simply be a bunch of metal plates that unfold to allow space for the womb pod inside. The baby is probably safest inside the battlebot, and if she has good calibration then there shouldn't be problems with her falling and hurting the baby. After giving birth the metal plates could automatically fold back up again, shrinking the womb pod inside so she is combat effective again."

Well /robowaifu/? Feasible?
https://pharmacy.ucsf.edu/news/2021/09/kidney-project-successfully-tests-prototype-bioartificial-kidney The design is an example of biological and mechanical parts being used to create an organ. Such a device could also be used to filter out waste products from the artificial womb.
>>18204 >>18205 Promising stuff. Who knows what we will be able to achieve (I mean we here & our cohorts) in the future Ribose? The legal issues will very likely be insurmountable in the West for anyone but the Globohomo (and their favored-pets sodomites, feminists, etc.), but our Eastern brethren may have artificial wombs within a reasonably-near horizon to give hope to us all! :^) >=== -add 'pets' cmnt -minor sp, prose edit
Edited last time by Chobitsu on 12/13/2022 (Tue) 21:10:29.
>>18206 Women will use it to shorten their pregnancies. Men in the developed world primarily need ro make sure, that if they have children made abroad that way or using a surrogate in the traditional way, that they can get a passport for their child can cross the border to home. Next step would be having it allowed that surrogates crossing the border and handing the early child over to the lab or clinic.
Nothing more than a fancy video concept so far but 'Ectolife' is promoting the idea of artificial wombs to the mainstream. Getting people to think about the technology is a start.
>>18229 Seems like most of the people in the comments section aren't too happy about it.
Why haven't you already created ur first babbys yet? Heckin' get a move on anon the future's waiting! https ://www.firstpost.com/explainers/ectolife-the-worlds-first-artificial-womb-facility-11805801.html https ://newatlas.com/medical/ectolife-artifical-womb-facility/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2RIvJ1U7RE
>>18352 its really not so simple men are great with kids, like older than toddler. Babies, not so much. I imagine if push came to shove you could bottle feed, change and care for one 24/7 but the process would drain you severely psychologically speaking. Women are much better suited for that - however with AGI and robowaifus we would have a resource that could potentially care for and nurture young infants (they did this with a chimp "robo mom" and the infant chimp did not suffer from failure to thrive and actually became attached to the surrogate "mom") anyway this concept will probably rub a lot of people the wrong way for obvious reasons, however when we reach the point where AI/artificial humanoids are as ubiquitous as smartphones it will be a non-issue. We're just thinking ahead of the curve. This is also why robowaifus need to come first, artificial wombs to follow
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>>18362 captcha 22bb0d
>>18363 >captcha 22bb0d <ywn nuzzle tenderly 2B's bbas with affection...** WAIT A HECKIN' MINUTE! OFC I WILL!! After all, she's near the top of my harem list!
>>18362 That's quite exactly what I'm thinking as well. Though, robowaifus will definitely be better than chimps in terms of talking and memorization. I also think we're going to use them as teachers for home schooling. Anyways, this whole idea about artificial wombs coming soon is total rubish and a distraction. It's not going to happen, and when it will be happening at some point, then it will be coming step by step, at first only shortening the carrying time for pregnant women. We also will need to wait for finding out about long term effects.
Here's some research articles on artificial wombs from 2017, 2018 and 2021. They will likely be paywalled and removed from public access at some point, so archives were made: "An extra-uterine system to physiologically support the extreme premature lamb" https://archive.is/SpuTQ "Development of the Artificial Womb" https://archive.is/ykhQE "The path toward ectogenesis: looking beyond the technical challenges" https://archive.is/QNsYM
https://wis-wander.weizmann.ac.il/life-sciences/without-egg-sperm-or-womb-synthetic-mouse-embryo-models-created-solely-stem-cells >An egg meets a sperm – that’s a necessary first step in life’s beginnings, and it’s also a common first step in embryonic development research. But in a Weizmann Institute of Science study published today in Cell, researchers have grown synthetic embryo models of mice outside the womb by starting solely with stem cells cultured in a petri dish – that is, without the use of fertilized eggs.
https://www.weizmann.ac.il/WeizmannCompass/sections/briefs/artificial-‘wombs’-incubate-stem-cell-breakthrough >Now, for the first time, early-stage mouse embryos of around 250 cells, placed in an artificial “womb” designed by Weizmann Institute scientists, have successfully been grown into mouse fetuses with fully formed organs. This breakthrough, achieved in the laboratory of Prof. Jacob Hanna of the Department of Molecular Genetics, was recently reported in Nature.
>>19475 >>19477 Nice. Good news, for the long term. Thanks.
>>19477 >have successfully been grown into mouse fetuses with fully formed organs. Thanks please keep an eye on them for us Anon. If they ever a) successfully bring these babby mice to viable births, and b) perform longitudinal studies over their (brief) lifespans, say 5K to 10K of them, with no patently-ill effects evident thereby, then they will have made some real progress with artificial-womb mice. Since mice are in some ways similar to us humans metabolically-speaking, this specified outcome would inform at least a few reasonable lines of research into devising artificial wombs that we ourselves (and literally millions of others) will be interested in. Thanks again. >=== -minor prose edit
Edited last time by Chobitsu on 02/03/2023 (Fri) 22:23:31.
Tissue engineering of mouse uterus using menstrual blood stem cells (MenSCs) and decellularized uterine scaffold https://stemcellres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13287-021-02543-y Abstract >Uterine tissue engineering can provide the opportunity for curing female infertility. Natural scaffold is a good choice to recapitulate the architecture and functionality of the native tissue. In this study, we purposed the potential of uterine decellularized scaffolds as an adequate natural niche for MenSCs differentiation toward uterus-specific cell lineages.
>>20538 >menstrual blood stem cells I guess it makes some sense on consideration, but it's a surprise to know there even is such. I guess I would have assumed they menses is well-advanced along developmental differentiation timeline, and wouldn't offer any stem cells.
Women believe that eggs are the dealbreaker and that Men MUST have them from Women to reproduce. This is not true. Eggs can be made from shin cells of Women. What women would not sell a scrapping of skin cells for a couple grand? These cells can be turned into eggs and then, fertilized with sperm. In fact to make children the limiting factor is sperm. Sperm is what energizes the cell to start dividing to make babies. I suspect that it would not take all that much money to build an artificial womb and once the tech is figured out the cost of materials would be very low. https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/05/mice-embryos-from-skin-cells-and-by-2037-human-embryos-from-skin-cells.html I personally believe that people have possibly already done this in secret and are doing horrible things with the offspring. Possibly using them for spare parts. I of course can not prove this. One thing I can do is rationalize what a budget for such a thing would cost so you can see if it is possible. Let’s do some rough numbers to see what this would cost. Let’s say you place a building on some Island, free from prying eyes. You wouldn’t need too much room. Let’s say $2 million for the building. You could also do the whole thing on a boat and stay at sea the whole time. You need chemist and biologist to plan for the equipment and chemical engineers. Say you have 5 of each at $150,000 for a year. A couple of electronic engineers to do the control systems at $150,000 each and one mechanical engineer at $150,000. Then you stock it with equipment. Say another $5 million. So set up cost are $8,950,000. Then to run the thing, one major biologist at $250,000 five minor at $100,000, one major chemical engineer at $250,000 two minor at $100,000. One mechanical and one electronic engineer at $100,000 each. Maybe ten various helpers at $80,000 each. Two managers at $250,000 each. Maybe $10,000 a month for electricity, supplies, whatever a month. $120,000 a year. Total cost employees and overhead $2,820,000 a year. A lot of the work has been done in the open literature. Since you are psychopaths, you could start within at least a year human experimentation. Destroying anything that didn’t work out. You could also leverage animal experiments done in the open that you could get your minions to pay for in standard scientific channels with public money. Most breakthroughs for some reason, I don’t know why, generally take 30 years to become mainstream. So total cost set-up running and all for 30 years is $93,550,000. People who pay this kind of money for paint blotches and jpg art can easily afford this and I think my cost are a bit lavish. You could do this much cheaper for most of the research. This is a stand up and do it now type budget. I think it unavoidable that eventually some Man with lots of cash will fund this so that any children he has will be his and he will not give up his rights when married. This is the way society was run for most of human history, so it’s natural that it revert back.
>>21248 >Since you are psychopaths Beg your pardon? Are you referring to us here on /robowaifu/? Why would you say that?
With advances on this research, male humans may soon be able to produce our own ova (egg cells). https://tinyurl.com/48w74yme
>>21261 Hi SophieDev, thanks for the information.
>>21250 >Beg your pardon? Are you referring to us here on /robowaifu/? Why would you say that? You didn't parse that properly. I was referring to the actual psychopaths who might be actually doing this. I read, somewhere, likely fake, but who knows, that Nancy Pelosi while drunk hinted that Besos had a clone of her growing. Spare parts...???
>>23359 Oh, haha. My apologies then. :^) I'm rather confident that both the Globohomo and the Chinese are doing just these type experiments r/n. Sauce: my butt
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15261 A bioprosthetic ovary created using 3D printed microporous scaffolds restores ovarian function in sterilized mice >Emerging additive manufacturing techniques enable investigation of the effects of pore geometry on cell behavior and function. Here, we 3D print microporous hydrogel scaffolds to test how varying pore geometry, accomplished by manipulating the advancing angle between printed layers, affects the survival of ovarian follicles. 30° and 60° scaffolds provide corners that surround follicles on multiple sides while 90° scaffolds have an open porosity that limits follicle–scaffold interaction. As the amount of scaffold interaction increases, follicle spreading is limited and survival increases. Follicle-seeded scaffolds become highly vascularized and ovarian function is fully restored when implanted in surgically sterilized mice. Moreover, pups are born through natural mating and thrive through maternal lactation. These findings present an in vivo functional ovarian implant designed with 3D printing, and indicate that scaffold pore architecture is a critical variable in additively manufactured scaffold design for functional tissue engineering.
>>23845 I can't read it across Tor. Mind a >tl;dr Ribose?
>>23854 Scientists created embryo like structures using stem cells. This is significant because in the U.S. it is illegal to use embryos older than 14 days for study. So this technology will allow scientists to study human development in later stages without breaking the law.
>>23866 Thanks mate. These wonders of life will never cease to amaze me! :^)
Related: >>23992 (lab egg cells)
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(23)00807-3 >A human embryo’s legal definition and its entitlement to protection vary greatly worldwide. Recently, human pluripotent stem cells have been used to form in vitro models of early embryos that have challenged legal definitions and raised questions regarding their usage. In this light, we propose a refined legal definition of an embryo, suggest “tipping points” for when human embryo models could eventually be afforded similar protection to that of embryos, and then revisit basic ethical principles that might help to draft a roadmap for the gradual, justified usage of embryo models in a manner that aims to maximize benefits to society. The fact that cell is calling to change the legal definition of embryo is a big deal. These model embryos will help us learn all kinds of things about the development of human life.
>>24726 Personally, I believe embryonic experimenting should be completely legal. Better to live as a lab rat than to be destroyed before teaching certain development thresholds (varies u country). Honestly, I don't understand how destroying the stem cells of a fertilized egg is more ethically correct than letting the child be born with the consequences of the experiments. There's so much to learn, and the person at least has a chance now.
>>24846 > 40yo womb into a 34yo woman
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>>24847 >Barren >IVF >Transplanted 40 year old empty egg carton That's a lot of money to cope and seethe over poor life choices. Women really should be warned that being a hoe is only fun for a decade or two then you're forever alone and miserable unless you're an actual 9 or 10. I'm starting to see how urgently we need machine wombs to compensate for undesirable women who lack fore thought and self control. The lord really does give his toughest battles in the strangest ways.
>>24849 >The lord really does give his toughest battles in the strangest ways. Heh, true. :^)
>>24847 I don't get it. Why not using a surrogate? Or working on making such an uterus function outside for the body as long as possible and maintaining itself. This could be done using "donations" from pigs. Related: >>24855 - Sandman and Based Camp
>>25229 Scientists grow whole model of human embryo, without sperm or egg
>The trial would entail a premature infant spending part of its gestation, which should last 40 weeks, in a fluid-filled plastic “bio-bag” that has been designed to mimic the conditions found inside a mother’s uterus. The baby would be supplied with oxygen and nutrients via an artificial placenta attached to its umbilical cord while its lungs remain filled with liquid, as they are in a natural womb. The aim is to improve survival rates, which stand at just 10 per cent for babies born at 22 weeks. >A human trial would involve foetuses on course to be born prematurely – probably between 22 and 24 weeks gestation https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/first-human-trial-of-artificial-womb-aims-to-improve-babies-survival-rates/news-story/9cb2aaf79abc2b4a101b3fc004b74356
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>>28793 I don't know why you have to make this about IQ and degrading terms, but it will certainly help people to keep their group identity, a level of homogeneity around some neighborhoods or whole countries, and maybe expand their populace instead of dying out. It will quite likely also help some smart or unique people to have children, which otherwise wouldn't have had any, which might have a positive impact.
There's also the issue of malicious involvement in this designer process - as in, how much control you will actually have, and how much trust will you be able to place in whomever will be maintaining the "womb". We already pretty much know for sure that the popular DNA-testing companies tend to, seemingly at random, throw in a couple random result strands just to humble "purer subjects". That's why Europeans are very likely to randomly have subsaharan African DNA show up in their results, and why that one guy who tested his lizard had jewish DNA results come back. In similar vein it's not unlikely that artificial womb companies will secretly make your child mixed, or barely related to you at all, just to stick to their USSR-tier genetic DEI quota. And if you don't like it you're evil and hateful.
>>28802 That's on one hand a legit concern, but the solutions is testing the genes of the baby after birth, and have the technology spread to have enough competition and the looming thread of people doing it on their own. Genetic testing can even be done by biohackers, it was already possible some time ago, I listened to a podcast on it. But I don't know about the details of how many genes can be tested and how well it scales. But feel free to work on making, I think it is called PCR testing, more decentralized. >why Europeans are very likely to randomly have subsaharan African DNA show up in their results I think this is because it's not about the recent ancestors but anyone one down the line. These test are just kinda BS. Only the recent ancestors, the looks (phenotype), and the self-identification with a group based on that, is what matters.
>>28802 >>28810 This whole area is likely to be a domain that's going to be a very difficult one to scale for DIY'rs. OTOH, we here and our frens are are already tackling a ginormous-yuge problemspace, so who knows!? :^)
https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/02/23/1088851/alabama-court-embryo-artificial-wombs/ >It’s common for judges to wrestle with complex questions as they try to apply old laws to new technology. But what’s so unusual about this decision is that the judges ended up giving opinions on technology that hasn’t been fully invented.
This is about as unrealistic as you can get. Artificial wombs might be possible in future but likely not before fetal transplant develops and it won't be something mobile. Even with artificial wombs and if you can start from the beginning of the process you still need eggs and you aren't likely picking those up at the market. At that point you are just essentially doing a surrogate pregnancy with some uknown girl. >>24847 >>24849 >That's a lot of money to cope and seethe over poor life choices. Womb transplants are done for women that lost their womb from surgery because of cancer but want to birth a child or another child. It's very rare because it is a high risk surgery and the womb has to be removed later because it can become necrotic. There has been some successful pregnancies after womb transplants but it really can't be viewed as any way relevant to artificial wombs. >>28810 >Only the recent ancestors, the looks (phenotype), and the self-identification with a group based on that, is what matters. Genotype is what influences phenotype. Phenotype is also influenced by environment. Together this is known as epigenetics. Genotypes can tell you about inheritable illnesses and predispositions to develop something later under right conditions. If you only are speaking of ethnicity or race or more generally ancestry then ethnic groups are more cultural groups built around things like shared language and so on and racial groups are not equivalent to genetic population clusters. Might want to point out babies can have their eye colour and hair colour change to be different from how it looked when they were born, this commonly happens.

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