>>4706 >So where do we get the eggs from for our blessed offspring? https://www.forbes.com/sites/helenthomson/2018/02/08/human-eggs-developed-in-the-lab-in-world-first/

Alright folks, there's a lot of good information being shared about what scientists are doing with this stuff. Here's a news flash though: Anyone can follow the scientific method. We can break this whole thing down into smaller parts and grassroots this shit. >ctrl-f 'amniotic fluid' >no results What does a human body do? Eat. What does a pregnant human body do? Eat. What does a human fetus do? Absorb nutrients from what the mother eats. Chemically speaking, literally everything that the human body is capable of is available in some form or another at your local grocery store. My question is how difficult would it be to mix together a facsimile for amniotic fluid? What makes it up? How much of what, and how does that change during gestation? We need recipe cards or something.

interesting to note: we might have very unlikely allies in this endeavor hint: google why the chainsaw was invented ;^) humans have reached the limits of evolution in terms of cranial size, no other animal seems to suffer or have such dangerous and life threatening to both mother and child, births.

>>17897 https://fireandsaw.com/why-were-chainsaws-invented/ https://allthatsinteresting.com/why-were-chainsaws-invented https://chainsawace.com/why-were-chainsaws-invented-chainsaw-history/ I get what you are saying, but at the same time a lot of anti abortion people are tradcons that otherwise love women and appeal to nature fallacies and would be appalled at serious attempts at making artificial wombs. Most of them are mainly against abortion because their genetic legacy is being torn away from them when it happens or because of religious reasons, but they don't believe all women are like that. If you could somehow convince men in the IT, programming, machine learning, nursing and biomedical fields that truly have contempt for women because of women getting abortions to get on board with serious efforts at designing artificial wombs, that would be something. But most men that oppose abortion don't do it because they hate women, they do it for religious reasons or because of concern about their genetic legacy.

>>16196 >amniotic fluid recipe cards Heh, nice. I like the way you think Chem-Anon. >>17897 >we might have very unlikely allies in this endeavor Heh more like polar opposites! :^) Yep, stronk, independynts who don't need no man are also in favor of artificial wombs, (seemingly bizarrely, since they are giving up on the one thing they currently have an absolute lock on, and which also represents the primary value they represent to men, physiologically-speaking). >>17899 Welcome lines. Yep, abortion is murder, plain & simple. If we can manage IRL artificial wombs then we can remove take this power away from the hands of murderous women bent on destroying their own offspring.

>>17900 Thanks for the welcome. Imo it's going to take men from all walks of life and perspectives in this endeavor. There are some men that couldn't care less about abortion but are still interested in making artificial wombs. There are some men that can't bear the idea of fetuses being able to be extinguished because a woman decides on that that, who are nonetheless interested in advancing progress in developing artificial wombs. Because of how taboo this topic is, naturally there's going to be all sorts of taboo people congregating, and many of those people will be pragmatic on every issue, including abortion, meaning they will never be absolutely for or against abortion in all contexts. Imo the biggest reason for artificial wombs is what barbarossaaaa originally outlined in his videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NcIrLMF3tg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMbCh9Jh2Vw Not only that, but we are never going to pry normies away from reliance on women for sex and reproduction that fuels a lot of special treatment to women if women maintain a monopoly on sex and reproduction. Work on artificial wombs has to be done in conjunction with sexbots for that reason. Haven't yet seen the direct application of programming in artificial wombs, but it would probably come in when monitoring health of the embryo, ensuring vital signs, assuring proper nutrient feed to the embryo and with maintenance of the artificial womb machinery. Maybe all of this could be done remotely, similar to how drones are operated remotely. So far not aware of much existing literature about implementation of artificial wombs. Most of the literature so far appears to revolve around infant care practices, medical imaging and tests involving cloning, breeding and experimenting on animal test subjects, rather than more artificial laboratory techniques and computation. The programing for an artificial womb might involve a lot of knowledge about CRISPR, DNA sequencing, gene editing and machine learning being required to design prototypes that would be compatible with raising a developing human embryo. The mechanical working of these prototypes might be best tested in virtual reality first before use in the real world, just like with sexbots. "An extra-uterine system to physiologically support the extreme premature lamb" https://archive.is/SpuTQ "Development of the Artificial Womb" https://archive.is/ykhQE "The path toward ectogenesis: looking beyond the technical challenges" https://archive.is/QNsYM We should find as many of these articles as we can and archive them before they are paywalled and/or no longer available, as it becomes apparent to tradcons and radical feminists that this research, if somehow put to use, has the potential to lead to revolutionary developments that will put women's monopoly in jeopardy. https://archive.is/4V745

>>17899 >tradcons would be against artificial wombs those tradcons wouldn't really like what we're doing in here either for that matter. That's a can of worms right there we can maybe get into another time : )

>>17906 Yeah but the vast majority of those against abortion in all circumstances usually end up being tradcons. That's why instead of looking for recruits in developing artificial wombs through looking for those against abortion, you have to look for pragmatic redpilled and blackpiled individuals that aren't constrained by concepts of morality from abrahamic religions or mass media. Those guys aren't likely to be tradcons, but they are likely to be more willing to be interested in designing alternatives to women. Creating robotic companions and artificial wombs goes completely against all major world religions and most political and social systems. There is no way most people from these areas would support it in any context.

>>17909 I'm agreeing with you 100% I've said this exact thing before

>>17909 if we were to get everything this group proposed 1. fully autonomous robowaifu 2. artificial wombs 3. life extension / nanotech 4. some other type of breakaway from government or collapsing west (seasteading, space habitat, etc) If we were to break away from society, humanity, nature itself - we would be considered "enemies of humanity" by the NPC masses. Maybe others here have a different view but really once we go beyond a lifestyle choice that only affects your own singular life (robowaifu), and creates a whole new structure (your own personal army of genetically modified Dolph Lundgren clones) you become a Serious threat to the status quo and its power structures. (this is going to be a theme in one of my stories btw)

>>17921 >pic Top kek. >we would be considered "enemies ... <would be Anon, I... hate to tell you this, but we're already considered thus. :^) >(this is going to be a theme in one of my stories btw) look forward to it.

>>17921 The general agenda that has been largely agreed upon by those I've discussed this with are: 1. AI waifu apps and chatbots 2. prototyping and testing robowaifu companions and artificial wombs in virtual reality 3. actual physical design and further testing before release of real life waifu companions and artificial wombs. Unfortunately unlike things like programming which are fortunately open source and easily accessible to those willing to learn, starting a colony or country away from the masses is largely a pipe dream constrained by money, resources and power. It's a literal utopia and while some utopian dreams are good to aspire too, they can't all work out. With humans, I subscribe to the idea that all we need is "good enough". It will never be perfect because we aren't gods, we need to be realistic. I don't think all is lost though. The weakness of being unable to breakaway from society entirely can easily become a strength. You can hide in plain sight and be the undoing of the wrong trajectory that society is on, while using the resources of that society against them and to win over others to your campaign (in this case, the effort to design better alternatives to women). The ability to blend into society while pursuing these tasks is of the utmost importance. It's not bad to be unable to completely escape society always, you never know what you can still learn that won't be available to you if you live off the grid. Living off the grid isn't for everyone either, and I think a lot of guys enjoy the technological convenience offered by not living off the grid. It's only bad if you think owe anything to society and thinking that to be consistent and not hypocritical, you'd completely cut yourself off from the resources of the same society you rail against. But it pays to be pragmatic in this world. While you keep to morals or wanting to seem like a good and consistent person, others won't. Life extension, nanotech and enhancing machine learning processes through using latest in quantum computer breakthroughs for specialized tasks sounds like a workable idea once waifu companions and artificial wombs have been created and are ready for use by the common man. I just don't want a repeat of the last 10 years where basically nothing gets done and all that is done is ranting about female nature while more and more boards get censored, things get worse for men and only those trying to tilt things farther in favor of women's monopoly on sex and reproduction make progress. We have to treat this with the utmost urgency and limited by time too, because we are. I've seen any anti-feminist board eventually get canned if it gets too effective.There should be backups to this board such as groups on telegram too.

>>16196 For amniotic fluid in which a human embryo is raised in during the prenatal phase, some questions need to be addressed: 1. what will the main ingredients of the artificial amniotic fluid consist of (ie what specific proteins (myostatin for example), lipids, carbohydrates, antibodies, hormones and vitamins) and in what proportions? 2. how will the artificial amniotic fluid be kept fresh and at the same time not be completely sterile so that it is able to mimic the microbiome of the human body? 3. how will the amniotic fluid help regulate cell division, decay and regeneration? 4. would the time of gestation be similar to in an actual womb ie around 9 months? Here's an article about the role of myostatin in muscle growth: "Regulation of Myostatin on the Growth and Development of Skeletal Muscle" https://archive.is/7YTVl Here are some basic details on the function of amniotic fluid: https://www.webmd.com/baby/what-is-amniotic-fluid, https://www.verywellhealth.com/amniotic-fluid-5120311, https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/23310-amniotic-fluid, https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/special-topic/amniotic-fluid An interesting aspect that comes up when researching amniotic fluid is the sterile womb hypothesis. Some papers on this include: "Comprehensive human amniotic fluid metagenomics supports the sterile womb hypothesis" https://archive.is/mUi4E "A philosophical perspective on the prenatal in utero microbiome debate" https://archive.is/xi9Iu There is also an article about the regenerative potential of amniotic fluid stem cells. "The Regenerative Potential of Amniotic Fluid Stem Cell Extracellular Vesicles: Lessons Learned by Comparing Different Isolation Techniques" https://archive.is/CZq62 This might help for regulating cell division in an embryo immersed in artificial amniotic fluid. Finally, there is an article about how gene expression in amniotic fluid can be a sign of preterm birth. "Identification of a novel gene signature in second-trimester amniotic fluid for the prediction of preterm birth" https://archive.is/AQz9s Premature births or miscarriages are a huge potential problem for artificial wombs, so knowing more about what causes this to guard against it would be useful. Definitely search for open access articles on this topic from publications like Nature, Springer, BMC Medical Ethics and Microbiome Journal and archive whatever full length article you find to have for records. There is lot to read and sort through, but there's bound to be some hidden gems. Since this work is taboo, it will not be very publicized unlike other research, so you will have to go digging for it.

>>17930 >>17932 My suggestion is, to focus on how to organize men on being able to buy egg cells and surrogate mothers. Thinking this through, seeing roadblocks ahead and preparing for evasive measures. Legal issues, prices, technical risks and challenges, increasing competition, global options, ... Artificial wombs are something much more down the road than where we are. Though, I don't want to discourage anyone making sure this works one day and is freely available.

>>17930 >There should be backups to this board such as groups on telegram too. As you'll discover if you stick around, I'm rather a strong-proponent of keeping every.single.thing. in the public eye, out here on public-facing IBs. Alternatives that cloister data away, and especially those that are directly or indirectly run by the Globohomo are absolute anathema to men generally, and to /robowaifu/ in particular (>>17614, &tc). We have a tool built right here to help preserve us after the Watkins debacle/gayop, named BUMP (>>14866). Various anons (including yours truly) use it to keep /robowaifu/ & other boards safely-backed. (BTW, I'd suggest you join the group doing so if you understand the basics of building software from code, Anon.) >>17932 >and archive whatever full length article you find to have for records Like the board's fulltext, uploaded files (pdfs, images, etc.), are also archived simultaneously. --- >tl;dr Simply posting information on /robowaifu/ ensures it is a) in the public space, available to any man to use as he sees fit, and b) is regularly archived by multiple anons. We also have two add'l bunker sites, one of which we'll migrate to should AlogsSpace ever be permanantly taken down. >=== -minor prose, fmt edit -add 'tl;dr' cmnt

>>17933 A history of artificial wombs since the 1990s is available here: https://archive.is/KYQtI In the short term, there are experiments that seem to be going on that involve partial ectogenesis with surrogates. Imo time is probably running out on finding a way to legally organize a way for the average man to buy egg cells and seek surrogate mothers. It's a low tech solution compared to the higher tech and much less easily interfered with solution like artificial wombs. Surrogacy is next in line after prostitution to be drastically restricted and it is already very difficult to arrange for unless you are rich. Since there has already been work with designing artificial wombs that can sustain a fetus, it might be worth it to start brainstorming about how to design similar rudimentary artificial womb "biobags", just like researchers were able to do in 2017: https://archive.is/ecaql. Someone had mentioned amniotic fluid earlier in this thread so I found some articles on amniotic fluid. What are other major components for a rudimentary artificial womb other than the oxygenator circuit and amniotic fluid? How would this differ from more future, more advanced models of an artificial womb? The end of this article: https://archive.is/ykhQE contains a sentence in the conclusion that gives a possible roadmap going forward after an extra uterine environment is demonstrated being able to sustain a healthy, alive fetus throughout the entire gestation period: "Fetal stem cell or gene therapy could be facilitated by removing the possibility for maternal exposure and enabling direct delivery of therapeutic agents to the isolated fetus."

>>8007 Why not use a recellularized chimpanzee womb instead? It should be easier and there would be less of an "ick factor" involved.

>>17930 We have a matrix chat. Like i said before in Meta-5 Pareto is the one to reach out to for access (Posting from my phone)

>>17948 >It should be easier Actually, pig have a yuge swath of similiarities to homo sapiens sapiens metabolically and several other ways. AFAICT they are much 'easier' (as in even possible). >and there would be less of an "ick factor" involved. Lel, both are absolutely disgusting, and equally-so in my book. But w/e hehe. :^)

>>17948 I didn't look into this idea, and don't know why they wouldn't use human cells, but for all I know children from surrogates inherit only the mitochondria (cell power plants) from them. To clarify, I mean cases where the egg cell isn't coming from the woman carrying the child. Not sure if that was the same for wombs made from animal DNA. I assume they are using non human cells only for research and would probably use these wombs for animals tests at first anyways. Just in case if I'm wrong, my vote is on cat DNA for the womb where my sons grow during their first stages. If it goes wrong: Elves. (Which is fine).

>>9923 she's actually a Cyborg, toriyama didn't know about sci-fi and didn't fact check

>>17962 The way recellularized tissue works is that they take organs from another organism and remove all of the cellular material. After all of the cellular material has been removed human stem cells are added and will grow into said organ using the leftover extracellular material to help them differentiate into the right kind of cells. There are already experiments being done with kidneys and hears right now.

>>17966 Thanks, then it probably doesn't really matter at all where the structural material in form of organs is coming from, it's only about the functionality and size.

>>17949 Not able to find the specific Pareto server for this board on app.element.io/matrix.org. Is it the link @compactlatentspace:halogen.city that you provided in this post https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/15434.html#q17787 ? From that same Meta-5 board https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/15434.html#q17808, someone also gave this link @metaronin:halogen.city

>>18037 Just as an FYI for IB culture lines, I'd suggest you adopt the standard method for intra/cross board linking. So for example rather than use this fully-qualified form: https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/15434.html#q17787 just use this shortand instead: >>17787 (BTW, you've already been using the standard form in all your replies. :^) This will help if we ever need to migrate in case of a site host's servers ever getting gayop'd. That way, the crosslinks still work. Cheers.

>>18037 yes that is correct, and yes i'm on Halogen as well. I'm new to Matrix so bear with me b/c I don't fully understand it yet. It was Pareto's idea for its adherence to comsec standards We were hoping Bangladesh-anon would also be willing to drop by - if he was still around

>>18046 I used the fully-qualified form because it was a similar number to the numbers in this thread but was from a different thread. I'll use the shorthand instead from now on, specifically since you said it preserves crosslinks better.

https://pharmacy.ucsf.edu/news/2021/09/kidney-project-successfully-tests-prototype-bioartificial-kidney The design is an example of biological and mechanical parts being used to create an organ. Such a device could also be used to filter out waste products from the artificial womb.

>>18204 Another similar technology in the works: https://www.mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/transplant-medicine/news/bioartificial-liver-potential-to-avoid-transplant/mac-20429506

>>18204 >>18205 Promising stuff. Who knows what we will be able to achieve (I mean we here & our cohorts) in the future Ribose? The legal issues will very likely be insurmountable in the West for anyone but the Globohomo (and their favored-pets sodomites, feminists, etc.), but our Eastern brethren may have artificial wombs within a reasonably-near horizon to give hope to us all! :^) >=== -add 'pets' cmnt -minor sp, prose edit

>>18206 Women will use it to shorten their pregnancies. Men in the developed world primarily need ro make sure, that if they have children made abroad that way or using a surrogate in the traditional way, that they can get a passport for their child can cross the border to home. Next step would be having it allowed that surrogates crossing the border and handing the early child over to the lab or clinic.

Nothing more than a fancy video concept so far but 'Ectolife' is promoting the idea of artificial wombs to the mainstream. Getting people to think about the technology is a start.

>>18229 Seems like most of the people in the comments section aren't too happy about it.

Why haven't you already created ur first babbys yet? Heckin' get a move on anon the future's waiting! https ://www.firstpost.com/explainers/ectolife-the-worlds-first-artificial-womb-facility-11805801.html https ://newatlas.com/medical/ectolife-artifical-womb-facility/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2RIvJ1U7RE

>>18352 its really not so simple men are great with kids, like older than toddler. Babies, not so much. I imagine if push came to shove you could bottle feed, change and care for one 24/7 but the process would drain you severely psychologically speaking. Women are much better suited for that - however with AGI and robowaifus we would have a resource that could potentially care for and nurture young infants (they did this with a chimp "robo mom" and the infant chimp did not suffer from failure to thrive and actually became attached to the surrogate "mom") anyway this concept will probably rub a lot of people the wrong way for obvious reasons, however when we reach the point where AI/artificial humanoids are as ubiquitous as smartphones it will be a non-issue. We're just thinking ahead of the curve. This is also why robowaifus need to come first, artificial wombs to follow

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>>18363 >captcha 22bb0d <ywn nuzzle tenderly 2B's bbas with affection...** WAIT A HECKIN' MINUTE! OFC I WILL!! After all, she's near the top of my harem list!

>>18362 That's quite exactly what I'm thinking as well. Though, robowaifus will definitely be better than chimps in terms of talking and memorization. I also think we're going to use them as teachers for home schooling. Anyways, this whole idea about artificial wombs coming soon is total rubish and a distraction. It's not going to happen, and when it will be happening at some point, then it will be coming step by step, at first only shortening the carrying time for pregnant women. We also will need to wait for finding out about long term effects.

Here's some research articles on artificial wombs from 2017, 2018 and 2021. They will likely be paywalled and removed from public access at some point, so archives were made: "An extra-uterine system to physiologically support the extreme premature lamb" https://archive.is/SpuTQ "Development of the Artificial Womb" https://archive.is/ykhQE "The path toward ectogenesis: looking beyond the technical challenges" https://archive.is/QNsYM

https://wis-wander.weizmann.ac.il/life-sciences/without-egg-sperm-or-womb-synthetic-mouse-embryo-models-created-solely-stem-cells >An egg meets a sperm – that’s a necessary first step in life’s beginnings, and it’s also a common first step in embryonic development research. But in a Weizmann Institute of Science study published today in Cell, researchers have grown synthetic embryo models of mice outside the womb by starting solely with stem cells cultured in a petri dish – that is, without the use of fertilized eggs.

https://www.weizmann.ac.il/WeizmannCompass/sections/briefs/artificial-‘wombs’-incubate-stem-cell-breakthrough >Now, for the first time, early-stage mouse embryos of around 250 cells, placed in an artificial “womb” designed by Weizmann Institute scientists, have successfully been grown into mouse fetuses with fully formed organs. This breakthrough, achieved in the laboratory of Prof. Jacob Hanna of the Department of Molecular Genetics, was recently reported in Nature.

>>19475 >>19477 Nice. Good news, for the long term. Thanks.

>>19477 >have successfully been grown into mouse fetuses with fully formed organs. Thanks please keep an eye on them for us Anon. If they ever a) successfully bring these babby mice to viable births, and b) perform longitudinal studies over their (brief) lifespans, say 5K to 10K of them, with no patently-ill effects evident thereby, then they will have made some real progress with artificial-womb mice. Since mice are in some ways similar to us humans metabolically-speaking, this specified outcome would inform at least a few reasonable lines of research into devising artificial wombs that we ourselves (and literally millions of others) will be interested in. Thanks again. >=== -minor prose edit

>>18204 >>18205 And another one. https://beta-o2.com/bio-artificial-pancreas/

Tissue engineering of mouse uterus using menstrual blood stem cells (MenSCs) and decellularized uterine scaffold https://stemcellres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13287-021-02543-y Abstract >Uterine tissue engineering can provide the opportunity for curing female infertility. Natural scaffold is a good choice to recapitulate the architecture and functionality of the native tissue. In this study, we purposed the potential of uterine decellularized scaffolds as an adequate natural niche for MenSCs differentiation toward uterus-specific cell lineages.

>>20538 >menstrual blood stem cells I guess it makes some sense on consideration, but it's a surprise to know there even is such. I guess I would have assumed they menses is well-advanced along developmental differentiation timeline, and wouldn't offer any stem cells.

Women believe that eggs are the dealbreaker and that Men MUST have them from Women to reproduce. This is not true. Eggs can be made from shin cells of Women. What women would not sell a scrapping of skin cells for a couple grand? These cells can be turned into eggs and then, fertilized with sperm. In fact to make children the limiting factor is sperm. Sperm is what energizes the cell to start dividing to make babies. I suspect that it would not take all that much money to build an artificial womb and once the tech is figured out the cost of materials would be very low. https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/05/mice-embryos-from-skin-cells-and-by-2037-human-embryos-from-skin-cells.html I personally believe that people have possibly already done this in secret and are doing horrible things with the offspring. Possibly using them for spare parts. I of course can not prove this. One thing I can do is rationalize what a budget for such a thing would cost so you can see if it is possible. Let’s do some rough numbers to see what this would cost. Let’s say you place a building on some Island, free from prying eyes. You wouldn’t need too much room. Let’s say $2 million for the building. You could also do the whole thing on a boat and stay at sea the whole time. You need chemist and biologist to plan for the equipment and chemical engineers. Say you have 5 of each at $150,000 for a year. A couple of electronic engineers to do the control systems at $150,000 each and one mechanical engineer at $150,000. Then you stock it with equipment. Say another $5 million. So set up cost are $8,950,000. Then to run the thing, one major biologist at $250,000 five minor at $100,000, one major chemical engineer at $250,000 two minor at $100,000. One mechanical and one electronic engineer at $100,000 each. Maybe ten various helpers at $80,000 each. Two managers at $250,000 each. Maybe $10,000 a month for electricity, supplies, whatever a month. $120,000 a year. Total cost employees and overhead $2,820,000 a year. A lot of the work has been done in the open literature. Since you are psychopaths, you could start within at least a year human experimentation. Destroying anything that didn’t work out. You could also leverage animal experiments done in the open that you could get your minions to pay for in standard scientific channels with public money. Most breakthroughs for some reason, I don’t know why, generally take 30 years to become mainstream. So total cost set-up running and all for 30 years is $93,550,000. People who pay this kind of money for paint blotches and jpg art can easily afford this and I think my cost are a bit lavish. You could do this much cheaper for most of the research. This is a stand up and do it now type budget. I think it unavoidable that eventually some Man with lots of cash will fund this so that any children he has will be his and he will not give up his rights when married. This is the way society was run for most of human history, so it’s natural that it revert back.

>>21248 >Since you are psychopaths Beg your pardon? Are you referring to us here on /robowaifu/? Why would you say that?

With advances on this research, male humans may soon be able to produce our own ova (egg cells). https://tinyurl.com/48w74yme

>>21261 Hi SophieDev, thanks for the information.