>>23867 Nice, but too robotic for my personal taste and the shoulders in picrel 2 are too wide.

>>23867 Those last two are excellent Anon. To my thinking that last one is arguably a better outcome for the treatment of anime eyes than even the highly-paid designers came up with for the feature film Alita. In that film, Alita still has a frog-eyed look in many of the shots. But the one you've provided here seems just perfect. Clearly very humanlike, without even a tinge of the grotesque to it. I don't know what model/prompts you're using for that beautiful character image, Anon, but please continue with it! Cheers. :^)

>>23857 I understand. And tbh a) my understanding wasn't likely very clear, and b) my own writing definitely wasn't very clear. I simply want to promote beauty here on this board. While I freely admit this is quite a subjective matter, however I'm fairly confident that the majority of men share my general tastes; regarding both a female's body and soul.

>>23874 >I don't know what model/prompts you're using for that beautiful character image Check the exif data on those pics know the prompts, models, seed, etc used. There is an extension that adds exif data on the images you make, so that everyone can mimic or derive from those pics. https://github.com/AlUlkesh/stable-diffusion-webui-images-browser

>>23887 Oh cool. Thanks I didn't know about that.

I only post the best failures if they're are also interesting and maybe funny. Spoilered then. Here in the first picrel I asked for a robot with female thighs and I got what I asked for... The other one was more of an happy accident, looks nearly flawless.

>>23902 That second one looks pretty good Anon.

This online image generator here https://huggingface.co/spaces/dvruette/fabric called Fabric works quite nice for portraits. Didn't test it much yet, for example not with many different variants of styles, anything else than portraits, or more realism. No time. Downside compared to open.ai is, that it doesn't make the prompt into the filename. Also it takes a while longer for each result. But the image quality is way better.

Are there any good prompt optimizers? I just really don't want to bother learning how to do it well when I'm sure that in a few years there won't really be a point to it anymore.

>>24335 >good prompt optimizers What do you mean? A software which helps you? There are subreddits which are about prompts, certainly other sites as well. >in a few years there won't really be a point to it anymore. These few years might be the important one, and the one where one could make money. Also, it might not be to hard. What do you want to do? Just portraits? That's not hard. My prompts are actually in the (open.AI) filenames. Just replace or remove the names of actresses or other elements. > Portrait of seductive and youthful Jailbait female, with realistic Alita doll eyes, light hair, and silicone skin > Youthful Scarlet Johanson, with realistic Alita doll eyes, light hair, wearing a dog collar > Digital art portrait of seductive and youthful Jailbait offspring of Summer Glau and Kristen Bell, with realistic Alita doll eyes, light hair, and silicone skin Fabric also takes examples which you can upload.

>>24335 >prompt optimizers? Just got this recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nagWNxkVp54 Just look around in bigger forums. This place here is for sharing ideas, not the best place to ask and get the best advice on everything, since we're not so many people.

>>24338 >Also, it might not be to hard. What do you want to do? Just portraits? That's not hard. I struggle to even install stable diffusion without a tutorial, let alone actually use it right. I struggle with ChatGPT just trying articulate my thoughts in plain English to give it feedback. My problem is really that I don't just want *a* picture, but have an incredibly specific idea of what I want to see and have no way of getting Stable Diffusion to make something even approximating what I'm thinking of. (I'd probably even fail if I tried to commission something from a real illustrator) Although, a lot of what I'd like to make right now is more like SoaringMoon's engineering blueprint pics, or something more like concept art or reference images that could be for making 3D models. >>24340 I was thinking something more like https://youtu.be/bj9j3_lRL2Y that uses ChatGPT to help create prompts for Midjourney. And what I mean by "that in a few years there won't really be a point to it anymore" I mean that it probably won't be long until text-to-image models basically have LLMs integrated by default, so instead of using keywords separated by commas like a 90's search engine, any boomer can use them like the old lady at my job saying into her phone "Okay google, what was the name of that TV documentary from the 80's about the Kennedy assassination?", but instead it'll be me giving a 2-page long description for a character design reference sheet.

>>24341 I don't think I can help you with that. That said, this here: >more like concept art or reference images that could be for making 3D models. Doesn't look like a good idea to me. Make a drawing or just get started sketching out some model in a program.

>>24342 >Make a drawing or just get started sketching out some model in a program If I could draw I wouldn't really have much of a need for AI-generated art.

>>24360 I meant sketching. I don't understand what you're trying to do. >engineering blueprint pics, or something more like concept art or reference images that could be for making 3D models. You wont get around learning something. Sad but true, it's a lot of work.

>>24361 >it's a lot of work. Or a lot of waiting. I am a very patient man.

>>24191 Trying to make a picture without hair and neutral background, for using it in as head model.

>>24386 IMO this one seems a bit high on the encephalization quotient for a mature female, but is otherwisee rather appealing in general. Good progress Anon.

>>24386 So, I created some seed and prompt where one could start. > seed 4966549000887420 > skinhead female head with doll eyes like Alita but absolutely no hair, neutral and simple unicolor background in one color without any gradient >>24387 >The amount of brain mass exceeding that related to an animal's total body mass. Yes, this seems to be a problem. Maybe I can get that down a bit with future results. It took me some rounds to get the model not make any hair. But I guess it still interprets the size of the head with hair as the size of the head and then the hair would go on top of that. I'm using this on that site here: https://3d.csm.ai - which is for making 3D models of 2D pictures. It was in one of Matt Wolfes recents videos. But he said, he thinks it might not be available for free for a long time, since getting a result takes hours and that indicates a high amount of compute being necessary: https://youtu.be/rtXE9Knszws?t=17

>>24387 >encephalization quotient I tried. But it doesn't want to do it, at least not with my current seed and example pictures: > skinhead female head with a low encephalization quotient, small cranium compared to the eyes, a sized down forehead compared to the eyes, the forehead should end not far above the eyes, the face should be looking a bit like Summer Glau, with doll eyes like Alita but absolutely no hair, neutral and simple unicolor background in one color without any gradient negative prompt: lowres, high forehead, high encephalization quotient, big cranium

>>24386 >>24387 >>24392 I wanted to create a face from scratch, but when it comes to AI-generation I don't trust it to create something that can make a perfectly realistic human. And while I do like anime aesthetic, I personally just don't think it works well in 3d with realistic lighting. I'd like to make a face that's more of a composite image of attractive-looking faces, then tweak the color and texture to look like a good cosplay of an anime character, rather than base the head directly off of one. My problem has been finding decent composite heads that look around 18, since most composite faces seem to look a bit too old.

>>24395 >perfectly realistic human Do what you want, but I think big eyes are a extremely important factor. Also, this can help to make the point that she's not human, and we don't try to trick anyone. Making a "perfectly realistic human" was never my goal. That's a bit like the claim that chatbots or AI girlfriends should have a background story like a human and behave like a "real" but not real fantasy girlfriend. >personally just don't think it works well in 3d with realistic lighting. I think the AI generated pictures of the big eyed females I'm posting and the Alita movie shows otherwise, though this might be a matter of taste, of course.

>>24397 >Do what you want, but I think big eyes are a extremely important factor. Also, this can help to make the point that she's not human, and we don't try to trick anyone. I get you like the bigger-than-real eyes, but as for tricking people, why does that even matter? The whole point of the robowaifu is essentially to trick yourself. >Making a "perfectly realistic human" was never my goal. That's a bit like the claim that chatbots or AI girlfriends should have a background story like a human and behave like a "real" but not real fantasy girlfriend. Making a robot that can pass for human is an end goal of /robowaifu/ in general, because there's seemingly nothing that can't physically be done once that's accomplished. >I think the AI generated pictures of the big eyed females I'm posting and the Alita movie shows otherwise, though this might be a matter of taste, of course. AI generation gets a lot of subtle things wrong. I don't think you'd really get a true sense of how it'd look until you've got something physically in front of you. Personally, I've been working under the notion that something like a realistically-proportioned head is simple enough to get right, but the movement of the face is the most difficult part. As far as I've been able to tell, with the Alita movie they took the real actresses face and motion captured her expressions, using that to control the flexes of the CGI head, which was her own head given different proportions. Trying to make a head from scratch and get good-looking movements out of it seems trickier than having a real face to base it off of.

>>24402 >The whole point of the robowaifu is essentially to trick yourself. Nooo, having some good looking companion. >Making a robot that can pass for human is an end goal of /robowaifu/ in general One possible goal maybe, but not a very important one. This would be an extreme optimization for something unimportant. I'll leave that to other people. We had and still have guys here who are at least fine with robowaifus looking somewhat robotic or even want that, part of the target group are robosexuals (/clang/), others are open towards some /monster/ elements, and everyone likes catgirls. Then, I'm the one who strongly emphasized I wanted something more human-like than the /clang/ guys, but I certainly never wanted something realistically human as end goal. The robowaifus should look better than human females, and maybe kinda cuter without looking like human minors. They also might have quite some quirks and are more trustworthy in regards to accepting their role as property of someone. They don't need to pass as humans and maybe this would even be more offensive or disturbing to some people, I mean if they can't tell quite fast that something is a gynoid. >seemingly nothing that can't physically be done once that's accomplished. They will be different. Advantages and downsides, and we'll can go on working to reduce the downsides. Especially making them resilient, long-lasting, flexible in doing tasks, and energy efficient. Maybe self-repairing and many other things, all much more important than optimizing for making them looking and behaving like they were humans. >but the movement of the face is the most difficult part. I agree with that part to some extend. But Cameron for example mostly had reduced facial expressions and anime waifus also don't have a human-level amount of facial tissue movement. Also, some smiling and a few things are not that hard, I think: https://youtu.be/Esw5gjrFL-w >Trying to make a head from scratch and get good-looking movements out of it seems trickier than having a real face to base it off of. You're overthinking things. We'll try one step at a time. It's more an issue of (reliable) mechanics.

>>24403 >One of my first fox girls How did you find that? >Waifus are meant to be attractive companions Correct, it bothers me that so many don't get it like you do. I for one do not want my waifu to be too human. I just don't want a human woman, I want a robot. An anime girls face is desirable, though it will be terribly difficult. It is however, a worthy endeavor. Picrel is something I want to turn from and AI generationg into a real waifu.

>>24416 The picrel is a repost. I have a folder with memes and pictures, I often don't remember from where I got them. In that case I did remember, but it fitted well to my posting. >not want my waifu to be too human Thanks. I'm even the one here who was pushing the most towards human-like looks (~Cameron with Alita-eyes). But I'm often running into people on other platforms who think that to get companion bots as alternative for women we would have to build something like the bots in Westworld. So that would be the goal and maybe anything before is just toys and prototypes. Then often based on that, the conclusion is that this would be going to take decades or a century to get us there. I think we went /meta/ here, btw. >AI generationg into a real waifu. Yeah, looks nice. https://3d.csm.ai doesn't work well with heads so far. The previews don't look very good, and it takes a few days to get a result. I think they're manually checking the results and only hand them out if they meet certain standards, so people won't just show off something bad looking and telling where it is from. Either that's the reason for the delay or too many people found the service and there's a long line.

>>24416 This channel here made a bunch of pictures based on the female characters in Chainsaw Man. Haven't seen it yet, but the comment section seems to think that they look like the original would look in 3D: https://youtu.be/XEYIkDleJo8

>>24340 >Nooo, having some good looking companion. The companion part is the part that's a trick. It's an appliance, not a companion. >not a very important one. To you. >maybe this would even be more offensive or disturbing to some people That also applies to the concept of robowaifus as a whole. Those people do not matter. >anime waifus also don't have a human-level amount of facial tissue movement Depending on the anime, they can have significantly more. >Also, some smiling and a few things are not that hard, I think I'm looking for at least Source Engine levels of facial expressions, where some subtlety is possible. Not some Thomas The Tank Engine, brick-to-the-face levels of exaggeration. >You're overthinking things. We'll try one step at a time. It's more an issue of (reliable) mechanics. Not really. I plan on hiring someone to model and rig my robowaifu (and a skull) for me, using references I've made from a composite of different faces. Puppeting the eyes, jaw, and the skin will be compared to flex animation of the model, so making real facial expressions would be no different than doing it in real time in a videogame. >>24416 >An anime girls face is desirable, though it will be terribly difficult. It is however, a worthy endeavor. Anime translates to 3D very, very poorly. At best it might look like a life-sized anime figurine, at worst it's like one of those creepy "Animegao kigurumi" cosplays. And the former would probably look pretty lousy when animated.

>>24416 >Picrel is something I want to turn from and AI generationg into a real waifu. She would be a charming robowaifu Kiwi. I'm glad that the consensus here generally seems to be coming down on the side of 'animu aesthetic, not realism', b/c IMHO we are a loong way off from being able to match the subtleties involved merely in general body motions, much less the far more difficult task of facial realism complexities. We'll get there eventually, but it will take decades before we're likely to achieve Westworld-tier robowaifus implying any man would want to once we all see how great animu robowaifus are! :DD. >>24494 >It's an appliance, not a companion. Haha, so a My Dear Marie proponent heh? :^) Having a waifu is practically a spiritual circumstance for many anons, Anon. It goes far deeper than just the physical manifestation. For us as robowaifu engineers, this is a plus. Makes our jobs easier actually b/c the mind fills in many of the 'blanks'. >Not some Thomas The Tank Engine, brick-to-the-face levels of exaggeration. NGL lel'd. :^)

>>24340 >Haha, so a My Dear Marie proponent heh? :^) I know nothing about it other than what Wikipedia says the story is. >It goes far deeper than just the physical manifestation. I'm a hylic, so whatever floats your boat.

>>24506 >we are a loong way off from being able to match the subtleties involved merely in general body motions, much less the far more difficult task of facial realism complexities But we will get close enough for even the people who care about a high level of human-likeness. I'm not claiming facial animations are going to be extremely hard, but I agree on the subtleties. More tiny muscles will be an extra effort. Fine tuning for making it absolutely realistic would be a difficult optimization on top of that. But also, think of getting rid of every mild noise. Literally perfect emulation of humans would be a very special fine tuning task, while it's not really necessary. >it will take decades before we're likely to achieve Westworld-tier robowaifus Maybe, my point is rather that it's not worth the extra work for doing that kind of optimization. So maybe no one is going to work much on it, but I don't know. We're trying to harvest the low hanging fruits here, and even that is very hard and not many people are working on it. Energy consumption, energy storage and noiseless motion would be the main problem if we wanted to go Westworld realism. In reality, our waifus will mostly be stay at home wife's and will have a plug for charging. I will likely do other things when we are there, not working on making them more "realistic". If I still have time to have children (sons) through surrogacy, then I will at some quite early point work on child care skills in regards to older and older children, not making the waifus looking like real humans. We're went /meta/ a while ago, btw.

>>24516 >I know nothing about it other than what Wikipedia says the story is. It was just a lame joke on my part. But the point about 'a robowaifu being nothing more than the equivalent of a fancy washing machine' actually works in our favor here, within the marketplace of ideas. To wit: "Why should feminists women get their pantsu in such a knot over just another washing machine?" :^) >I'm a hylic, so whatever floats your boat. The point isn't me or my preferences friend. :^) In fact it's not even you or yours... it's the reality on the ground of millions of men without loving companions today b/c of the literal Satanic evils of the Globohomo Big-Technology Government we're all burdened in dealing with. That's why we're even here on /robowaifu/, as far as I'm concerned. >>24519 Yes, you're totally correct NoidoDev. We will get there with rather high-fidelity kinematics & motion control, as an overall effort in the end. Likely, I focus a little too much on the difficulties and should stay more upbeat instead? :^) Regardless, I certainly agree with you that we should not be attempting to create perfectly lifelife robowaifus. I was merely addressing the consensus vs. the realworld engineering difficulties. >We're went /meta/ a while ago, btw. Heh, good point. Probably need to do yet another tedious relocation. :P BTW, that image is an excellent one IMO. Nice choice, Anon. Cheers. :^) >=== -prose edit

>>24340 >To wit: "Why should feminists women get their pantsu in such a knot over just another washing machine?" :^)

>>24397 Weird question NoidoDev, but do you have a specific size preference for bigger-than-real eyes?

Yumemi Hoshino via SDLX on stablecog.com Seed 343045970 I used another picture as pattern. At first, one from the anime. I had to use negative prompt "no text" to get rid of the text I had for the meme. Prompt: Photo-Realistic picture of a doll-like female with realistic Alita doll-eyes - red necktie - green eyes - light blue hair - the loops to the side of her head are a bendable display or fabric no metal or tubes

The latter ones are inspired by one of Sukabu's pictures, a gynoid repairing herself, I tried to make the model reinterpreting it into something in 3D.

>>26225 >>26226 Really nicely done, Anon. Gorgeous eyes in particular.

This channel here does quite a good job on AI generated females. Though, they're mostly quite east Asian looking, which is fine but maybe a bit monotonous. I'm also not watching this a lot, but I appreciate the quality and look into it from time to time. https://www.youtube.com/@eou_of https://www.youtu.be/oUunsiA1D6U https://www.youtu.be/t1V6Rvhx-xY

Tried to help the Emily dev to get some ideas (on Discord)

>>26277 the eyes are too creepy it looks like a pair of evil eye talismans glued on

>>26278 I like them or some of them, at least as a concept. But I generally realized with all the AI generated images I'm making, that I'm quite flexible when it comes to what I perceive as good enough looking.

>>26281 no their good its just the eyes, i think eyelids are obligatory to avoid that uncanny valley feeling

>>26282 > i think eyelids are obligatory to avoid that uncanny valley feeling Good point.

Robowaifu Fairy Princesses Need Love & Rescuing! PLS SEND HALP ANON! :^)

>>26450 >Halp Mai waifu is here to halp us! Mixing in Nun LoRA's can help get better crosses.

>>26501 A beaut!! :^)