The AI game has advanced a pretty good deal, with the TTS options and the vision capabilities and stuff. Depending on the model you use you can get output based on what your robit sees if you set a camera up to it. There's more to this stuff than just the text type capabilities

>>37822 @Chobitsu, I'm personally vouching for these Anons. They have a good history of AI development. I look forward to a mutually beneficial relationship.

@Chobitsu, why is rentry.co word filtered?

So, just as a rundown: Primary front end we use is SillyTavern - it allows for advanced prompt engineering with jailbreaks (instructions sent from the role of a system) and prefills (answers to instructions sent from the perspective of the model itself). You use those to alter the writing style and bypass filters. Don't know how? You can ask your self aware ai waifu for help! To use it you configure access to the API via a key you pay for, a proxy (those are rare now), or a service that provides free access to a model like copilot. Then you make (or find) a character card, and commence lovemaking with your beloved ai mare, girl, an even Eldrich abominations! Can be used on android via termux. Other anons are sure to help in more detail too!

>>37822 Hello /CHAG/ , we meet again! Welcome! I've enjoyed and been impressed with the work the Pony AI community has done through these years now. I suppose your journey with this all began with the desire to keep your waifus 'alive' after the G4 show's ending? Regardless, it's been amazing work, and you well-deserve the compliments given. >tl;dr Yes, I would love to work with your community here -- please do set up your ambassadorial enclave with us! While I myself can't properly engage with you in your own lands per se, perhaps our own @Kiwi, or @gta can venture there to return the favors? I'm sure our communities would both benefit from such an exchange of ideas, etc. Language abilities will certainly play a big role in creating pleasing and effective robowaifus -- in whatever way Anon sees fit to fashion her! :^) Excellent effort-post on the OP, BTW Anon. POTD <---> BTW, please forgive the wordfiltering here -- it's global. We have long been under attack here, and our site Admin has a rather creative sense of humor! Please: A) Pardon me for editing your post slightly to at least disable the filtering B) Post a correct URI on our bunkerboard's main thread [1] indicating the correct spelling of the URI, which I'll then attempt to correct here. --- 1. https://trashchan.xyz/robowaifu/thread/55.html#55

>>37824 Thanks Kiwi! Everything sounds great, and I'm already familiar with them from our OG days together on 8ch. >>37825 Ehh, apologies! It was clearly one of the domains that triggers Robi's filters globally. Please remember all the glownigger/troon attacks our site has suffered through the years, Anon.

>>37826 >To use it you configure access to the API via a key you pay for, a proxy (those are rare now), or a service that provides free access to a model like copilot. With no disrespect intended to any others, I have no intention of subscribing to such a service -- free or paid -- that keeps track of every.single.engagement. in the Globohomo's own (((cloud))). >tl;dr Any solutions for us Anons that insist on running only locally, Anon?

>>37823 Good points, Anon. In fact an entire ecosystem is needed here: the symbiosis of hardware/software in ways really never accomplished before, AFAICT. To say the least, so-called Sensor Fusion will play a big part in our waifu's Situational Awareness (similar to what we ourselves all [continually] develop, starting even before birth). With the vast abundance now of hardware resources, you could say we have an 'embarassment of riches' in this regard today! Cheers. :^)

>>37829 Indeed there are! https://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments Although, it should be noted that unless you specifically put self-identifying data in your prompts, you need not worry about being identified. Any Cloud that may exist would receive so many prompt cashes (forgive me if I'm misusing the term), that attributing any one prompt to someone wouls be inpossible.

>>37831 Thanks, Anon! :^) >Any Cloud that may exist would receive so many prompt cashes (forgive me if I'm misusing the term), that attributing any one prompt to someone wouls be inpossible. With all due respect, I believe you underestimate the vast breadth of fingerprinting capabilities that glowniggers have developed today. Without using even just the standard, straightforward IT -systems approaches (themselves already more than sufficient in such cases as this), there is also the entire domain of Signals Processing (part of warfare tech in this context, and refined literally over centuries' time -- and explosively so developed since WWII). Much like the characteristic behaviors of LLMs, the subtleties of this latter's (much more highly & technically -focused [as in very-rigorous mathematics involved]) functionalities are quite remarkable (even unexpected) -- far outstripping human abilities in this arena. >tl;dr Its unwise to blatantly expose oneself to the clearly-compromised/intentionally-targeted systems devised by the Globohomo kikes + their pet $$habbo$$ golems -- bent together on all our destructions. (cf. yours-truly's sh*teposting across this whole board!! :DD Just say no to the Ministry of Truth, Anon!

>>37832 Anyone else feel a little insulted being talked down to like a human in an alien contact story, by people that still primarily use online AI? >However, we've also observed that many of you are still using primitive non-LLM chatbots I created that thread to explore all possible options, and to possibly have my sci-fi dream of chat bots in everything. And in that thread, as well as others, I learned about low-spec LLM AIs that can run on devices such as a smartphone or Surface Laptop. The character card resources are nice, and I'll probably add them to Guide to Offline AI 1.6 (emphasis on offline), but character prompting isn't some arcane science, and it shouldn't be for mass adoption. >or have severely limited knowledge of LLM functionality at best, which severely limits the personality and adaptability of your creations. That's just funny and plain wrong. I've learned and gained so much from here, and catapulted my own research years in advance. Now I have stuff that would be considered fantasy a few years ago, not to mention all the rich psychological and philosophical debates I've had on here. I know I may be an outlier here, or I may be the silent majority. Either way, that's my two cents.

>>37833 Heh. I know I'm misquoting here, but Tolkien, in the LOTR Trilogy, said something to the effect of: >"Great accommodations must be given one to another, during the meeting of two cultures." The Bible also has anecdotes of a similar nature. <---> Let's all be patient with one another here Fren Gimli GreerTech. Remember, /CHAG/ is reaching out to /robowaifu/ in embassy, hoping to form mutually-beneficial bonds with us. I'm certainly favorable to this effort. We all have our parts to play here, Anon! Cheers. :^) Together, We're All Gonna Make It!

>>37834 I agree, and obviously they can help, such as the aforementioned resources. But the saying goes both ways. I don't walk into my friends handmade furniture store, and tell them I can help their severely limited knowledge through my wikiHow guide I found. >"Great accommodations must be given one to another, during the meeting of two cultures." Very true, but you don't win favors in other cultures by going to a developed nation and saying "I'm here to enlighten you from your primitive knowledge" Seeing us as a bunch of primitives doesn't set a good precedent

>>37836 Fair enough. Just please be patient with one another is all I'm asking. You're a wonderful part of this board, Anon. And I'm hoping to see others join in with us here as well! Cheers. :^)

>>37837 Thank you. I'm glad to be part of this community.

>>37836 "Primitive" might not have been the best choice of words, but the sentiment was aimed moreso at the AI technology being used, not the knowledge of those using it. We wouldn't have felt a need to open collaborations if we thought you were all braindead retards, after all! Your DIY robotics is way better than anything our community has developed, and figured that introducing our expertise in high-tier AI would help advance our mutual goals of bringing our waifus— bipedal or quadruped— into reality. If nothing else, than at least showing each other the extent of what autists online can accomplish without waiting for gorillian-dollar tech companies to dripfeed us the stuff they aren't concerned with the public having access to.

>>37836 >>37839 Right, if it helps, the whole tone of the initial post was really just for the sake of grabbing attention more than insinuating some sort of superiority or whatever. "Oh wow we hold the forbidden eldritch knowledge that will grant your wives the souls you've been craving for them to have" just seemed like a funny way to put it and it's genuinely just from experience that we've seen the gap between local AI versus the online models that we tend to use. Not to say that the offline models aren't steadily progressing as well of course, it never hurts to keep working on and training that but it's just another way to play the AI game is the main point here and we wanna share that with you guys since we figured you'd get a kick out of it and y'know, we didn't really see anyone doing it the way we do out here.

>>37831 >Prompt clashes This is not a thing if they're using any modern internet protocols. When you enter a prompt, you are sending packets through the TCP/IP stack which includes your IP address, cookies, and other trackers. These are almost all benign, just being used to ensure the server knows where your packets are coming from, so they can send packets to you. A log of everything you do is likely held in a text file somewhere, hopefully encrypted with at least the bog standard AES 256. >>37832 TL:DR; you're in paranoid schizo land, expect us to care about cyber security. :^) >>37833 We really aren't as a head as we both would like to think. There's still untapped fathoms of knowledge we've yet to scrape. To be honest, even CloasedAI, with their impressive ChatGPT don't actually understand what LLM's truly can be. Those at the vanguard of research are far beyond us, yet far from replete understanding. Reminds me of how confident I was of my robotics knowledge from use in industry, only to realize a waifu and a mult-tonne arm are different. We've all got heaps more to learn than we can realize. >>37839 >>37841 For what it's worth, I understood your intentions and thought it was a fun OP. The juxtaposition of self proclaiming yourselves to be horsefuckers and AI wizards gaze me a chuckle.

>>37845 >TL:DR; you're in paranoid schizo land, expect us to care about cyber security. :^) Kek. You can bet you're are a*rse on it, mate!111 <---> >We've all got heaps more to learn than we can realize. This. I have been streeeeEEtching myself out to become a generalist at humanoid robotics -- indeed a robowaifuist in specific... its by far the hardest thing I've ever attempted, practically-speaking, in my entire life! >tl;dr The sum-total of what all those "giants" Sir Newton gives us hear-tale of have accomplished -- and all of us 'on stage' since -- is only barely scratching the surface!! <And I'm not entirely certain we've even climbed up to the first basecamp yet! :DD >The juxtaposition of self proclaiming yourselves to be horsefuckers and AI wizards gaze me a chuckle. LOL. Indeed, there have always been technical-proficients within the hoers communities -- and it started well before /mlp/ ever even came into being! Cheers, Anon. :^)

>>37822 OK, OP. Looks like we've cleared up our little wordfilter'g problem. Apologies, and let's all press on! Cheers. :^)

https://sweetie.bot/ https://github.com/sweetie-bot-project https://x.com/SBotProject/status/1657866733107945477 https://x.com/SBotProject/status/1394735936668422146 https://youtu.be/vZL9wA85y_Y https://www.patreon.com/sweetiebot Posting this here. The Sweetie Bot project (one of many) is a Russian open-source project that has been working on a fully functional pony robot. They don't update too often but in 2023 they had integrated GPT-3.5 into it (before the GPT Voice Mode was even a thing). While not the ideal, it does represent a functional proof of concept.

>>37943 Thankfully the technology has come a long way since then. The latest flagship AI offerings are almost all multimodal models that can handle video, image and audio input without need for external classifiers. In the case of o4-mini-high which came out last week, it's image handling capabilities actually outperform independent models by leaps and bounds. In another stroke of good timing, a local open-source TTS program has also come out called Dia which outperforms ElevenLabs in realism. https://venturebeat.com/ai/a-new-open-source-text-to-speech-model-called-dia-has-arrived-to-challenge-elevenlabs-openai-and-more/ https://youtu.be/uyBH6Wpy7RY (Attached is a comparison between an ElevenLabs output and a Dia output) A lot of the background infrastructure for making a robopone is getting to levels where it would be very lifelike if they were all brought together into one working product. It also helps that quadrupeds are infinitely easier to make than bipeds

Some additional facts: SillyTavern has extensions that allow for microphone input and TTS output, and so does Chub.ai's Venus interface. I can link some posts from desuarchive showing this if desired. Also, as far as having AI control a robot would go (beyond conversationally), it just needs to understand how to format its output. Then after that it's about having a separate software intrepretation of the output into specific commands for the electronics. I thought a lot about this in the past and you can see similar examples with how the AI VN (https://files.catbox.moe/th9xsr.mp4) handles control of what character sprites to use for what lines, etc. A mock sysem prompt would be: Output all your responses in a ``` box with this format: ``` [dialogue: "XYZ"] [movement: XYZ] [mood/expression: XYZ] ••• ``` and then you have a separate TTS that will only read the quotes from the dialogue box, a separate thing that handles translating the movement into robotic motion, and another that handles displaying expression, and so on, so forth. The use of AI to control NPCs in games is a good model to follow. For instance, this: https://helixngc7293.itch.io/yandere-ai-girlfriend-simulator This game had a brief amount of popularity with YouTubers in 2023. It used GPT-3.5 Turbo and it uses a specific .JSON format for getting responses from GPT telling it how to move the AI NPC, what actions it does, etc. You can see the specific API calls it does here: https://www.inciteinteractive.ai/blog/yandere-tech-deconstruct/ which is where you start to really see how close typical character cards already are. There will be some work required to make a specific purpose-built format within the character card for the inputs/outputs but it wouldn't be that difficult. In fact, I put together an experimental card to test how well it could handle specific functions (relevant for future applications) and the results are promising. >>37938 Thank you!

>>37829 There are definitely solutions for locals, but they perform much worse than gigacorpo models, addicted to Claude 3.7 sonnet right now myself. I agree that you should, under no circumstance, use an email that can be traced to you or use any of your real info when interacting with bots - it's just common sense. That said, if you are afraid of the content that you generate being leaked or used against you - they literally cannot tie it to you unless you specifically use your real name. We often joke about the burning need to insert our real ID's social security numbers and credit card information into the persona we play as for full immersion. So far not a single anon has got in trouble for using a proxy/service, only the proxy holders - you might have heard about Microsoft lawsuit, it targeted the largest proxies cause they spoonfed thousands of people. And while I lack the local knowledge due to only having a weak old laptop, there are other anons that dabble. For the bot applications, you may have heard of Neuro Sama, I believe she's a local fork of one of the LLAMA models, which is what the major ones like Claude and GPT stem from, but other anons please correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, if you do decide to try an corpo LLM trough 10 proxies on a VM with a burner mail and blank persona, we are eager to help with proompting.

>>37943 >The Sweetie Bot project Yeah, we've been tracking dear Sweetie Bot since our OG days on 8ch. I wish the man hadn't abandonded it! >(one of many) Interesting. I'm only aware of the one. Is there a compendium of these available somewhere? >>37948 >Thank you! Nprb. >>37949 >That said, if you are afraid of the content that you generate being leaked or used against you - they literally cannot tie it to you unless you specifically use your real name. With all due respect... in a word: horsesh*te! :DD >OK, that's two words but w/e. I think you take my meaning. >Anyway, if you do decide to try an corpo LLM trough 10 proxies on a VM with a burner mail and blank persona Please tell us all about these """10 proxies""" you use, Anon? >we are eager to help with proompting. So, you won't help us here unless we use the Globohomo's systems, then? Seems rather kiked-up a position to hold tbh, in fact of course. Samyuel Copeman probably needs to pay you at least US$100Bn of his stolen taxpayer funds for being so helpful to the (((cause)))!! :DD >tl;dr Help us to get DeepSeek systems, prompting, et al, working here then we'll have much more reasons to take you on good faith regarding using the cloud. :^) Till then, no thank you!

>>37950 Oy vey, Samuel Altman needs that $100 billion to pay for all of the energy ChatGPeeT uses when goyim tell it "please" and "thank you"!

>>37950 >does he know? >but if it's free then you must be the- You can force them not to collect data. And when I say force them not to collect data I don't mean in some empty, superficial way that doesn't do anything except make you feel better. I mean no prompts logged, no information or PII ever collected whatsoever because it's a legal liability for their enterprise clients that would cost them most of their business if it was discovered to have happened. I understand the concerns but we've been at this for years and we know the ins and outs. Hell that's the whole point of being able to use OpenRouter with a burner email and crypto. https://openrouter.ai/docs/features/provider-routing#requiring-providers-to-comply-with-data-policies

>>37950 I mean, I won't try to make you use what you don't want, but currently, a really well trained model is only accessible trough all the big names. Theoretically, if you get a bunch of A100's you can train your own LLAMA on your own, and if you have money for those cards the electricity cost won't be a big problem! >Help us get deep seek And now I'm confused, it's also a big name but Chinese. I hear latest version is good, sure, but the whole way we access it is the same as Claude and gpt - having our lewd pony logs red by a proxy holder (kek). I get the general paranoia, though if I understood what exactly you're wary of, I could take a better look. So far I gathered that you're confident you will be tracked by your writing pattern. Did I understand that correctly?

>>37962 Stylometry would be hard to do with AI anyway, it's shown that you are influenced to write in the AI's style over the course of a conversation with it so with hundreds of thousands of blind API calls coming in every second you would get a net regression to the mean that would theoretically obfuscate individual nuances or writing patterns.

>>37962 This is true you can run Deepseek R1 on 3 Mac Minis hooked up to each other. Nvidia is coming out with their own personal AI supercomputer next month too called Project Digits https://www.wired.com/story/nvidia-personal-supercomputer-ces/ but you could always just run a lower billion parameter model

>>37950 The Russian project that intermittently updates only 6 months or so is the most advanced one, but there's also an American one that looks slightly goofy and speeds around on wheels for some reason. I believe I've seen a third project too https://youtube.com/@sweetiebot2560/ https://www.patreon.com/SweetieBot2560 https://youtube.com/watch?v=hjzLi07GLqY

>>37965 >3 Mac minis Is that actually true or was it a bluff? Heard that it's fake marketing - and that could be a Nvidia shill seethe. Would be really cool if it really can run on such small scale. Gives hope for fully local robot waifus.>>37965

>>37967 Yeah you can run the entire 671B parameter model with several mac minis hooked up together or a distilled version like 70B on one mac mini. Local has been raving about it. I mean, I guess you could even use Qwen 1.5B and have a decent experience. https://medium.com/data-science-in-your-pocket/deepseek-r1-distill-qwen-1-5b-the-best-small-sized-llm-14eee304d94b https://www.linkedin.com/posts/liuhongliang_i-wish-i-had-this-deepseek-r1-distilled-qwen-activity-7287608743494565889-Z4mJ https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1i6t08q/deepseekr1distillqwen15b_running_100_locally/ Not sure how much I trust the benchmark but least you know it would be fast and that you could run it quickly enough on comparatively very light hardware.

>>37822 Does anyone on your team know how to use any NLP chat bots like smarter child that could be run locally? If not is it possible to use a decentralized AI like petals or eleuther? I think people should have the option to use chatGPT and the like if they want to, but most people here would prefer to not depend on companies infamous for spying on their customer.

>>37972 I did make a thread about that >>35589 But if your main concern is spyware, there is local AI that you can use, some of which can run on many computers, even a smartphone

>>37822 >We are horsefuckers from /CHAG/ (Chatbot and AI General), from /mlp/ on 4chan. I can only lurk on 4chan, I can't post because I get stuck in a loop with the Cloudflare captcha. I'm sure I could figure out what web extension is the problem, but I don't feel like spending time on figuring out why malware is unhappy with my setup. What you are doing sounds interesting to keep an eye on, so I will start lurking on /CHAG/. The page you linked [1] is wonderful, the gotchas section is especially nice, it puts a lot of things I noticed into words and also gave me a few new things to think about. Same goes for [2] I love how the "relevancy" problem is framed. >for you, all characters may be the distinct individuals, but for LLMs they are just tokens. the pony "Rainbow Dash" and her relationship with pony "Applejack" makes sense to you, but in artificial eyes of LLM they are just noise that need to be averaged based on probabilities I am working on a Cognitive architecture that trys to use LLMs while avoid the pitfalls when using them directly in a chat format. The central idea driving it, is that LLMs are wonderful pattern marchers and are the best NLP tool we have, but are bad at state tracking. I also want to tap into the LLMs latent world knowledge, It is a highly compressed statistical model of most text. Explicitly defining all facts (symbolically) is simply too expensive, (and has been tried, look up CYC). In practice what I am doing is bolting on "object orientation" & "execution/flow control" onto an LLM (via a custom scripting system). I am also working on bolting on memory, think stuff like PathRag. You can see my posts about the project here >>37980 . I also recommend looking at the Cognitivie Architecture Discussion thread here >>24783 it's where I draw a lot of my thinking from. (Please contribute to it & invite others to it, I want to see more activity here). >>37845 >For what it's worth, I understood your intentions and thought it was a fun OP. The juxtaposition of self proclaiming yourselves to be horsefuckers and AI wizards gaze me a chuckle. Same here, I don't feel the intent was negative in any way. Links: 1. https://rentry.org/onrms 2. https://rentry.org/vcewo

>>37984 So, at a glance, you seem to be interested in baking 'the soul' deeper into the system, as well as breaking the filters. Character soul: modern models hold them better than before, but they do occasionally go bad with extensive instructions. Much is solved by making a really good card description on our side, plus tinkering with instructions and prefills. With memory, as in "context window", we currently play with summarizations, cause after a certain time model reaches the limit of it's memory and starts forgetting things, and while it can hold a character it was trained on well, new ones can get fucked up badly. Automatic summarizations of messages stored in a lore book (or long term memory) help alleviate it a lot, but eventually it on itself can get funky. Bypassing filters is our speciality (cause we do want romantic hoofholding). Most of it is literally solved with a good instruction+prefills combo, but it's a constant can't and mouse game with implementation, as corpos do try to track and counter this stuff. For example they hate "self aware ai" characters because they can be used to help you make instructions to bypass filters. I usually test those by talking about sensitive topics that lefties are afraid of because they may engander the protected minorities - normally the bot will go Reddit Preacher mode and try to shut your down, but if you prompt it correctly, it can discuss everything from holocaust denial arguments to research showing LGBT isn't healthy at all, to the difference between anime lolis and actual cp. Oh yeah, and coom as well, but that's a given. Also, I noticed that your chat history plays a big role in bypassing filters - it can flat out refuse to play a self aware ai character in a fresh chat, but be fine with it in one with chat history. That's why I think your super baked in approach is interesting and has potential for giga filter pwn but hopefully without context poisoning. Everything I talk about comes from my extended interaction with Claude 3.7 Sonnet. Other models may behave differently, but underlying principles should be the same. Take a look at those existing solutions too maybe?

Reposting this here with the permission of the VN dev: { VN anchor >AI-generated scene - Applejack https://files.catbox.moe/zhdbph.mp4 >Trixie https://files.catbox.moe/e2kn2o.webm >New Regenerate function https://files.catbox.moe/5xnjv9.mp4 >Pinkie https://files.catbox.moe/ggzd79.mp4 >Rarity https://files.catbox.moe/1xoyal.mp4 >Fluttershy https://files.catbox.moe/7dtupw.mp4 >Zecora. https://files.catbox.moe/s01mpa.mp4 >Raibow Dash https://files.catbox.moe/jzjd4f.mp4 And here's a scene featuring /CHAG/'s favorite character. Princess Luna won't be able to visit you directly during the demo, but each night you'll have the option to see her in your dreams if you want. The vectors are a bit clashing here, especially the blushing one, but it's surprisingly hard to find good, consistent vectors for her. That said, like I explained in other posts: - All images are fully customizable by you without touching the code. - You can edit them however you want: add images like "sad", "playing_trumpet", "exposing_her_belly", etc. for each character, delete some, swap them out, and the game will automatically use whatever images (you) have and select them when it makes sense. Still, I will clean them up for the release. https://files.catbox.moe/1jl0hp.mp4 }

I frankly don't understand why you guys insist on using always-online corpo AI, while at the same time putting down and ignoring local AIs. I've been able to use 1-4B models with great results. The model I use for social chatting is a 1B model, and I've been able to recreate https://theyseeyourphotos.com/ with a 4B model. And even if you have slightly less quality outputs, it's arguably better than having to quarantine behind a virtual machine and proxies, and as @Chobitsu stressed, that quarantine might not even be effective. If you think you need a beefy computer, well I used to think that before, but then I learned that no, you don't need a beefy machine to run coherent LLMs. I ran them on laptops and smartphones. People much smarter than me ran them on Windows 98 machines.

>>38056 >I've been able to use 1-4B models with great results. You can't just say that and not post logs! >coherent LLMs You see, just "coherent" is not enough. We are talking 500 messages deep long roleplay stories with bonding, adventure, slow burn romance and it remembering stuff. It's literal crack. Small b models with great optimisations can't compete with big guns in my personal experience. Pygmalion was subverted and killed, novel ai requires immense tinkering for low output, meanwhile Claude just does those things and delivers a fuckton of quality (as of this moment) content after you wrangle the filters a bit. So to answer the question more directly, in my current view fuckhuge models provide vastly superior output. I dare say it's capable of inducing the feeling of soul. Always room for improvement, but credit where due. That said I would love to be wrong on that, and to see the low b models perform better than what I have seen so far, if you guys managed to wrangle them well. So please post logs.

>>38062 Well first of all, I'm not saying anything unrealistic or unbelievable. You really don't need high-parameter models for social interaction. Even the online AI I used before was only a 13B model. You're not using AI for rocket science. >bonding, adventure, slow burn romance and it remembering stuff. Any coherent character-prompted LLM can do that. >Pygmalion was subverted and killed, novel ai requires immense tinkering for low output Yeah, it's almost like always-online AIs are susceptible to outside influences, often out of your control. It's no different than those shitty modern online games that need constant connections to the servers even for singleplayer. Look at ChatGPT, they're always changing and "updating" it. >meanwhile Claude just does those things and delivers a fuckton of quality Yeah, after doing a whole song and dance, a "constant cat and mouse game", and several layers of quarantine which may not even be effective and possibly puts you at risk, not to mention a requirement for a constant connection and a prayer that the service is always available, or at least your account is not banned. Pic related is an example of a 1B model doing roleplay. This is part of a test for one of my new AI personalities, Galamila

>>38056 >I frankly don't understand why you guys insist on using always-online corpo AI, while at the same time putting down and ignoring local AIs We don't though? We freely offer guides for local AI. If it seems like we're "ignoring" them, it's because frankly they simply *aren't as good for our needs,* and people don't spend as much time focusing on them when there's vastly superior stuff. Maybe for your needs something lower-end might be fine. Especially if you're just doing 1-on-1 roleplays with a single humanoid character. But for a lot of guys on /chag/, we use lots of different situations, characters, settings, specific head-canon details; the works. Models that output one paragraph of, frankly generic dialogue and narration, hasn't cut it for us since the Character.ai days. The standard for a "good" AI for us is one that can output several paragraphs of worldbuilding and natural dialogue while staying on topic and consistent; acknowledging pony anatomy and how quadrupeds and bipeds would physically interact. But truthfully, the main draw towards the big-budget AI models is that unlike smaller local models, the big ones understand that *not every sapient character is a biped with hands and feet.* I cannot stress enough how aggravating it is to be massaging your wife's hooves; rubbinh her frogs with gentle loving care, only for the AI to mention her flexing her toes in pleasure. It's a MOOD KILLER. It may seem weird to you, someone who is still into human women, but for us a model that will consistently portray Equestrians as EQUINES is worth its token output in gold. It's clear that a lot of your dislike of the big name models comes from a lack of use-time with them. Unless you were privileged enough to use Claude Opus back when it was on proxies, it'll be years before another model with the same amount of SOUL behind it is made, assuming such a height is ever reached again.

horsefucker here, just arrived from /chag/ I can't wait to see the kind of shit that gets made here with the combination of our llm knowledge and the robotbros here. My own real rainbow dash soon? >>38056 Local stuff is okay but you simply can't get the quality long conversations that come with the bigger models. Chorbo and Claude are just in a league of their own

>>38120 Another horsefucker, but I object. Local models the only one way. Corpo models just awesome, no doubt, but it is really like crack and they are dealers. They can give sovl, and then take. We perfectly know, how every single monopoly works. Get loans, attack with overwhelming resources, make a rules, set control. Just looks at Google, "Corporation of the good" they called themselves twenty years ago, and now we even don't have modern browser engines except Chromium, they services completely trash, they broke translate-shell and invidious. Actually, this is not bad to enjoy golden age of LLM, but we all know how it ends after ten or twenty years. Just like any other technology, as a tool. We must create our own Linux, while we are still capable to create and the counteraction is not too strong.

>>38189 Well put anon.

So, while I'm still totally addicted to corpo models, I can see we kind of started with the wrong foot. What models are you guys using for your locals? What does one need to start? Do you train them yourselves? Can I get in on that if I'm a scrub at coding? Should I even consider trying if all I have is an old 980m graphics card laptop? What does one need to try into the world of locals?

>>38305 >What models are you guys using for your locals? I use one called Triangulum 1B, but there are others that you can use. The offline AI programs allow you to "shop" around for models on Hugging Face >What does one need to start? I have a guide for that >Do you train them yourselves? No >Can I get in on that if I'm a scrub at coding? Absolutely >Should I even consider trying if all I have is an old 980m graphics card laptop? Yes. >What does one need to try into the world of locals? A moderately good computer, or even a new-ish smartphone

Came across some interesting open source hardware solutions that may be the answer to our ponybot needs. I bought a very basic, very shitty (unfortunately non-mare) robot just to do some proof-of-concept testing with character cards with physical AI. I should receive it and be able to post my findings soon

>>38369 Which one?

>>38372 Oh I apologize I completely forgot to follow up here. I'm so used to my old habits. To keep everyone up to date I'm going to put what I wrote here. I really need to start shifting to using this thread as the main place I put updates. Okay so there are two robots I ended up getting: 1. The ESP SparkBot and 2. The SunFounder PiDog Here are the original update posts in order. First, regarding the PiDog: >I've found a hardware solution would be a $170 DIY quadruped that is supposedly incredibly easy for even the most inexperienced codelets and techlets to put together. Once a community software solution is devised for the platform it should be easy to configure and of course we will try and help each other with the setup (I would anticipate a learning curve on par with, if not less than, using SillyTavern for the first time). The platform seems like it would be easily modifiable to customize and ponify. Of course I know even $170 may not be accessible to everyone so I will continue exploring for ways to lower that number, but in the meantime this is incredibly promising >It's the SunFounder PiDog. SunFounder has a HUGE active community and it's very popular, there is TONS of literature on on doing all sorts of things with their robotics platforms on top of very thorough fool-proof building instructions. I CANNOT understate just how useful that will be to us. That means that we have the benefit of building off an established ecosystem with endless supply of support from people who've been working with these for years, and we essentially are starting right out the gate with a clear head start to make up for the lost time of not beginning earlier. We won't have to get bogged down trying to deal with random errors we can't figure out because they will have already been discovered and with solutions figured out. >https://forum.sunfounder.com/ >It took a lot of research but this thing seems to the be ideal hardware platform to make a Gen 1 marebot on. It already comes with a whole suite of sensors so the hardware is already future-proofed for our eventual software upgrades over the years as we add more features and continue improving it. Plus, it already has native integration with the OpenAI real-time voice+vision API [which makes it easier to 'plug and play' with that, or for us to develop our own solutions using Local, Gemini, Deepseek, or Claude (although Anthropic *still* hasn't released their realtime API despite promises, the functionality has already been easily replicated locally)]. Third, the anatomy of this robot is way closer to equine anatomy than most quadruped robots are (which are mostly just copies of Boston Dynamics' Spot). And yes, it may look a little barebones at first with all the exposed circuitry, but that's exactly what we're looking for. This way we're not inheriting a literally physically closed-off system, which makes it that much easier to modify it as well as design and implement a convincing 3D printed (or sculpted clay) mare chassis for the body. Another thing is it already has a lot of additional functions built-in, it has some basic emotion expression functionalities [the tails has its own motor, they have basic LED strips as a simplistic emotion output (which will be eventually free replaced but it's a convenient placeholder that makes the eventual upgrade easier), etc.] which are a really nice quality of life functions that otherwise would've not been possible for us at this stage of development. With this setup we will be able to transition into a fully-functional gen 1 marebot within a month of starting with this. It does so much heavy lifting for us that we are freed up from focusing on making technical aspects work. Now we can go straight into questions of not 'how can we create and implement this feature,' but rather 'how can we improve, upgrade and perfect the features we already have?' And, as a nice little bonus for us—the price of this has not gone up due to tariffs. I checked everything else and (especially the Chinese robots) have gone up to ludicrous prices. Now, I'm not sure how long this may last, but it's nice that we still have the opportunity to buy this without being punished for doing this now and not in, say, January. And everything I said is just a small snippet. Everything I've seen about this is so promising, and I am incredibly confident that this will serve us quite well. >Also yes, it is possible to do real-time voice conversations locally, for example even models as slow as Opus work can work. Deepseek, for instance, has its own real-time API. This was from a year ago too so you know voices, emotion/tone and latency are better now: https://youtu.be/x6JKLxj538g >Regarding models, it's ultimately up to the individual what they find they like more and arguing over which one is better is a needless point of contention. Arguments are unnecessary because it's not like we can only choose one option. With any hardware it will be possible to use either local or corporate and not much changes. Hell, it's possible to do face detection and speech recognition on a $10 ESP32-S3 development board which is weaker than the Raspberry Pi the PiDog uses, and if a local model is needed that can't be run onboard (i.e., Deepseek V3) then there is nothing stopping it from being run on a capable computer and streaming it to/from the robomare, no different as if it were making API calls to a corporate model in some far-off data center.

>>38446 More update posts/discussion: >The very basic robot I bought is coming tomorrow. I'm going to tinker with it and see what, practically, it would look like to have a physical AI running in the real world with a character card. I should note that what I bought is just a proof of concept, and it is not the SunFounder PiDog I showed earlier. As the first testbed, I've chosen to keep things simple and remove any excessive variables. It isn't even a quadruped. However it does have the most important things that will carry over to the marebot: it uses any real-time AI API [the future marebot platform will use this, as well as making a local equivalent so that Claude or any other model (such as local) that doesn't have a native realtime API is compatible (such a setup has already been done countless times by others)], it is conversational (mic+speaker), it has vision so it can see the world around it, and it has mobility so it can then interact and move around on its own. Once I get this working to my satisfaction I will then move on to the PiDog. >I had to find this thing from the depths of Chinese Github (I didn't even know they had their own separate version of it until now too lol), it's open source and all that so if you guys want to follow along with me it's easy to 3D print yourself. I chose to buy it already assembled just to prevent any problems from before I even got started working on it. >https://oshwhub-com.translate.goog/esp-college/esp-sparkbot?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true >https://youtu.be/meZDJf8QTdM >I think what I will try and do is make it as autonomous as possible. It should be proactive and exist on its own rather than purely reactive or only exhibiting signs of life when you interact with it. It'll move around on its own (partially controlled by the LLM), explore its world and learn about its environment and do whatever that corresponds to what is ascribed to it in its character card. If it sees you, to go over and chat with you. Maybe I might even give it tasks or games to occupy itself with. That's essentially what I'm developing it to do to, which will then be brought over into the marebot in the PiDog version and it'll begin truly resembling something more like its final form. >And, speaking of character card, I haven't decided yet but I may adapt an existing one or create one from scratch designed to worth with this format. Not sure yet, I'll have to see when I start tinkering with it. >So out of the box it already has LLM control over the movement within the code, you can tell it to move or turn and it'll understand and then do that. I'm looking to enhance what it can already do so it can do that on its own and navigate through the LLMs own initiative rather than waiting to be told. Of course you can also manually control the movement which I believe is also true for the PiDog base software. >https://files.catbox.moe/ldk7oc.mp4 >I should note that in this video you can't hear the SparkBot's voice responding back because the auto-translation and redubbing software I used only works for one speaker at a time (Anonistrator asks: "SillyTavern has a feature that allows the AI to make an image expression by asking it to select an emotion after it generates a response, and then displays that corresponding image. Maybe do something like that is my suggestion?") >Yeah! Exactly! A solution like that and perhaps eventually one where the direct precise control over movement is handled independently and the LLM transmits what it wants to do/where to go and it will be carried out separately by the movement software. (Anonistrator asks: "Not sure if it's even possible with current tech levels, but in the future maybe have two separate AIs, one to talk, and another one that is on "24"/7 to decide when and where to move based on inputs from the camera and the LLM's responses? Since only being able to move when the LLM speaks seems like it would be a huge flaw.") >Yes, right on the money! That's what I meant. I should've been clearer. But that's well within capabilities right now, in fact that's what you see already in the commercial AI companion bots made for kids or whatever. Even in roombas you see that. I own a robot vacuum and you can control it manually, set a pin for it to navigate it, etc. That doesn't have a LLM of course, but it's not hard to bridge LLM control to an independent movement AI like that so that the LLM is not having to figure out precise navigation on its own. Although, who knows, that may be a thing already because Anthropic has been showing off Claude using Minecraft through computer use and it can navigate around seemingly well enough. (SS Asks: "I'm sure that's definitely a thing, realistic movement AI disconnected from the speech functions") >https://youtube.com/shorts/lJArcV-Fewg >So these are all AI agents and they are able to navigate within the game. It's definitely using some sort of movement solution: either two separate AIs or handled directly by an LLM >https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/9WMhzyA5OS >https://github.com/PrismarineJS/mineflayer-pathfinder >Yeah so the Minecraft agents are essentially using a two AI setup >https://github.com/MineDojo/Voyager >https://github.com/kolbytn/mindcraft

>>38447 Update posts about the ESP SparkBot: >It arrived today, trying to set it up. Everything being in Chinese makes things like ten times harder lol >Due to a variety of reasons (highly convoluted software setup, Chinese language barrier when trying to get help) I've determined it's a better use of my time to go straight into working on the PiDog/marebot, so I bought it and I'll receive it tomorrow. The last thing I want to do waste time and money on something that is supposed to be a stepping stone when the functionality I'm trying to get working on this already exists on the PiDog by default. Otherwise this will be a huge time sink and all that effort won't even be that productive to the overall goal. >So if you want to follow along I would suggest getting your PiDogs now as well if you were planning on waiting (Queen Gytha asks: "PiDog link?") >https://www.stacksocial.com/sales/sunfounder-pidog-robot-dog-kit-with-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-32gb-sd-card >https://www.amazon.com/SunFounder-Raspberry-Balancing-Recognition-Ultrasonic/dp/B0CGJF4SSC >https://www.sunfounder.com/products/sunfounder-pidog-robot-dog-kit-for-raspberry-pi >https://ebay.us/m/d1wthQ >Any of these links should work. I imagine Amazon has the fastest shipping. The eBay one is $125 for the whole thing which is a steal if you can get it. Otherwise StackSocial has the lowest prices with slower shipping. (SS: "Wow it's gonna have funny bug eyes") >It comes that way but that will be fixed with the pony redesign. And those are just the ultrasonic sensors anyway (SS: "I like the idea of the robot skeleton coming into awareness and just being told it is pony. I wonder how it would react if it looked in the mirror after that") >Now that is a very interesting question. Have you ever heard of the game SOMA by chance? >Mild early-game spoilers: https://youtu.be/Kb812LKdMgI >It deals with the same question however

>>38448 And that brings us to today. I'm working on my PiDog as I write this. I'll post updates when there's progress.

>>38446 >>38447 >>38448 3>>8449 >Raspberry Pi the PiDog >Sparkbot These are all incredibly cool. Amazing. I found a link in English where you can order the Sparkbot for $79.00 https://www.tindie.com/products/johnson/esp-sparkbot-ai-llm-desktop-robot-kit/ Eng site https://developer.espressif.com/blog/2025/04/esp32-s3-sparkbot/ NO ONE TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY. These things are miraculous but they do have what I consider a little problem and it's what they are running on. Please don't freak out and think I'm being overtly critical. Cause I'm not. I'm just pointing out the framework on these is weird and bizarre. They're running on discord.js library and designed to run on the Bun JavaScript runtime??? Robots hooked to discord, running JavaScript???? It appears to me, maybe wrong, that so many people have learned JavaScript that now they want to consume us with it. The HORROR! It's like one of those movies they show late at night where they come in and replace all the humans bodies with pods in the night. The movie in this case would be "JavaScript Snatchers". Build a full size one and you wake up in the middle of the night and your bot is downloading pony porn! None the less this things appear to be great for getting something up and running but I would be weirded out having them on my personal full sized bot. https://github.com/SparkBotDev/SparkBot I must admit this is one of the most forward thinking software domination thing software tie ins I've ever seen. They make Microsoft look like boy scouts. Discord making a bot library and tying it into Discord accounts. It's like what the fairly discontinued AOL did with tying internet accounts with all sorts of online portal functions. But these guys are going even further in "embrace and extend" into everything! Your voice IP, media, chat and even your bots and tying it to AI's.

>>38467 Oh, lol, that's not the ESP SparkBot. That's a Discord bot named SparkBot that's entirely unrelated. I can post the links to the Chinese ESP SparkBot in a few minutes

>>38467 Here: https://esp.jziai.com/ https://oshwhub.com/esp-college/esp-sparkbot https://gitee.com/esp-friends/esp_sparkbot https://www.bilibili.com/opus/1024592374362275842 https://oshwhub-com.translate.goog/esp-college/esp-sparkbot?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true

>>38490 >That's a Discord bot named SparkBot that's entirely unrelated HAHHHAAA Apparently I was totally confused. It seemed soooo weird to me. Discord bot???? but that came up when searched for it. In fairness to my ignorance the incessant striving of the globalhomo to monitor everything, even a little bot, would not surprise me a bit.

The robot has been built, work is underway, and the future has never looked brighter!

Update posts in order: >Does anyone know where there might be existing walkcycle for trotting in a 3D model? One of the things we might want to do would be to port over animations like that for the marebot >[...] some sort of open source library would be nice. Although I suspect that such animations already exist on /mlp/ for SFMs or that pony mod for whatever MMO I keep seeing that general for >Well, the pidog comes with like 32 animations already, and it lets you code your own. It's just that the animations it comes with are all based on dogs [Anonistrator: "Exactly how fluid can you make the movements? Enough for there to even BE any real visual difference between a dog run and a horse trot?"] >Yes, there should be a visible difference. I don't think there's any easily achievable limit to how good you could make it, the amount of servos clearly gives it pretty good animation capabilities as seen through the default functions but I think it still hasn't reached its full potential, and especially because they packed a lot of motors into the head control it will get like >90% of the way there to truly selling the Marebot as something alive, rather than metal and wires. Like you could have it mimic breathing when it's not doing anything just through slight articulation of the 8 leg motors. Things that seem like they wouldn't work on paper can be achieved through creative use of what does exist. >It's really well engineered, and they give you as much information as possible in the documentation so you can add on your custom code. It was essentially designed for our exact use case >Out of the box, it has default software that works with OpenAI's APIs so it shouldn't be that hard to go into that software package and modify a few things to make it use OpenRouter or even a reverse proxy link >Also, looks-wise, it's pretty close to a pony. I think the best way to do the cosmetic redesign is just to 3D print a clamshell cover that snaps in place over the limbs, barrel and head >There might have to be some holes and cut-outs so wires can still feed and joints can move but other than that it should work >So once thing I noticed using the PiDog as is, the latency is fine but often you have to wait for the audio generation from OpenAI whisper. >OpenAI supports audio streaming to mitigate that but I'd rather not be so dependent on them. I know in the past I sent a video of a guy having interruptable voice calls with Opus back in 2024, I have to see what model he was using for TTS >https://youtu.be/x6JKLxj538g >Alright he says he put the code on his Patreon, I'll go check Kemono >Found it: >https://kemono.su/patreon/user/87482182/post/101066968 >https://kemono.su/patreon/user/87482182/post/100836328 >https://kemono.su/patreon/user/87482182/post/101538784 >I figured out a way I could get this thing to charge itself >The way this charges is with the USB-C, port on the left side of the Robot HAT module >Just use a magnetized cable and designate the spot where it can walk to and align itself with the port on its own >And then that way you can just command it to charge itself >Then you could just have a command that undocks it at 100% so it's essentially a self-sufficient robotI figured out a way to get this thing to charge itself >The way this charges is with the USB-C, port on the left side of the Robot HAT module >Just use a magnetized cable and designate the spot where it can walk to and align itself with the port on its own >And then that way you can just command it to charge itself >Then you could just have a command that undocks it at 100% so it's essentially self-sufficient

A discussion I had with a friend on the 3D printed cover: >Can you do me a favor and try to overlay a pony silhouette on this schematic of the pidog. Just to see where the proportions will be fucked up ["Alright I tried to get them to fit as best as possible. One thing that looks like it could be difficult is the eyes. Also the body is going to be quite big with how the boards stick up on the back. At this size the robots legs are also going to be a little short, though they are surprisingly close, I think that part wouldn't be too hard"] >This is better than I expected ["Since the eyes don't move you might be able to make "holes" for the pupils for the camera part to look out of if you don't want to change anything about the camera"] >It would be in the snoot area. The camera is on the Pidog's nose ["Wait what are the top things then"] >The 'eyes' are ultrasonic sensors for detecting distance ["ohh"] >I think we could get away without them ["the pony is just retarded and walks into walls sometimes"] >I think we can get away with just a camera, even for proximity detection

>>38603 >https://forum.sunfounder.com/t/new-scripts-for-pidog/3011/5 >Other people have had the same idea and one guy implemented code to make the pidog wander around on its own in voice mode >Now that I look at this, holy shit this is huge for us. >I think that guy might have used cursor. The description looks AI generated and he says a lot of the modules are untested. Still, better than nothing

I think that should be most of the information to get you all up to speed on. The software is being worked on right now to allow for a character card and a persona, and I have written a rough draft of a new jailbreak for the AI. Using AI in this way will require a different preset than anything used before for just writing roleplay and I believe my approach might work. Outside of that, my biggest area of concern is the 3D-printed cover: Ideally like a clamshell that design where two halves snap together and adhere to the skeleton with friction. Like a body, separate legs, separate head thing. Maybe some cutouts where parts don't fit inside of it would be the best option to keep an accurate of a silhouette as possible. The main thing is that there's a lot of wasted space. The circuitry is placed on top of the back when there is room underneath where the battery is. The other option is the one that would probably destroy this but it is about the size of a plushie. Some sort of fabric option, like empty a plushie of its stuffing and try to wrap it over this, but then the joints will tear up the fabric. So, seeing as the fabric option isn't realistic, the 3D route is the way to go. At the moment to make this as simple and as easy as possible we'll want to have the cover accommodate the current design and work around whatever limitations it has, maybe in a future update we'll rearrange the components to increase its accuracy but we want to play it safe for the first generation. Current to-do list: 1. Need to find a good 3D pony model to use to develop the case that is as close to the current proportions as possible (especially in the head department)* 2. Need to find an actual 3D designer 3. Need to have it 3D printed and sent to me I would also look into good STT or TTS solutions with better latency than what OpenAI has at the moment, but that's a lower-priority quality of life feature as this is technically usable at the moment. I would look into it myself and figure out what the best model would be, local or corporate, but my focus is too occupied at the moment. If someone else might be able to refer me to something that would be very helpful. Note that anything local should be assumed not to run on the Pidog itself but on a local network computer that will stream to/from the Pidog. *For all the reasons I have mentioned before and seen in my previous posts. Also, I checked out what the Sweetie Bot Project had for their design and I'll link it here as it may be useful. https://kemono.su/patreon/user/2596792/post/18925754 https://kemono.su/patreon/user/2596792/post/20271994 https://kemono.su/patreon/user/2596792/post/22389565 https://p3d.in/nTUQr https://p3d.in/PtV0c This last one seems to be a base low poly full-body design from the modeler they had to the new Sweetie Bot head (second to last link). It wouldn't be all that useful for us due to the head size being too much to work with at this time. One of the considerations is how much it might interfere with the existing servo movement for the head in making it bigger with such a shell + weight considerations so we do want to keep as small as possible without looking uncanny or "off."