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Emmy the Robot Robowaifu Technician 09/07/2024 (Sat) 15:09:33 No.33430
Welcome all Nandroids fans to the Emmy thread, for discussing and posting about EtR. Off-topic posts and personal attacks will be deleted. --- Also, be sure to check out Emmy-Pilled's project thread! (>>25306) Important Community Links: Boorus, etc.: https://nandroid.booru.org/index.php Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mXuNh9ESedCiDZclVuz9uiL7nTNk3U9SgCE_CRHi3Us/htmlview# Webtoons: https://m.webtoons.com/en/canvas/emmy-the-robot/list?title_no=402201 > previous threads : >>27481 >>26629 >>30919 >>32205
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New bread? New bread! Would a Nandroid colleage be a boon or bane in your workplace? I sure could've used one to sit at the till serving customers while I shifted furniture today, bonus if it was an Avery model to also help move heavier things and chinwag in quiet periods
>>33435 >bonus if it was an Avery model not how Nandroids work, Anon!
>>33434 Scarf weather is rapidly approaching
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>>33436 Oh fuck, I forgot how they're made. I'll have to, knowing the irony, groom my Nandroid into becoming another Avery. Then she can groom my young nephew later on and complete the cycle
>>33438 Just invite your Nandroid over to accompany you during sportsy activities and she may become a Tombot in no time. Don't imitate Avery, have your own Tombot!
>>33435 I want to take that spunky tomboy robot to pound town, abolutely going wild on her, doing all the positions, fuck her so hard till she turns sumbissive
>>33433 scary
>>33441 Jewish theory
>>33441 Avery is vantablack nigger coal. Wendy makes more sense.
>>33448 Yukio is niggercoal (burner) Avery is for the vigorous and young at heart Wendy is for plappers/milf appreciators
>>33449 Wendy has soul. Avery has none, thus cummer niggercoal.
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>>33450 Avery has soul. Just because she outwardly comes across as extroverted and a free spirit doesn't make her slutty or 'tainted'. Some will understandably point out the lack of stories she has as proof she's two dimensional in character, while ignoring that the subtle details in many of her images tell a story in of themselves and reveal her to be a far more complex and fleshed out Nandroid than many would realise. Not to mention the tomboy archetype as the Aryan ideal for a woman. There's a reason she was so popular in the fandom after all...
>>33451 >aryan Reich is that you?
>>33452 No, reich doesn't have this advanced a command of the English language.
>>33449 Yukio is niggercoaldust. Avery is niggercoal. Wendy is a resplendent glimmering Aryan Gem.
>>33451 Good that I'm a slav them
>>33451 >Avery has soul. No, she doesn't. >Just because she outwardly comes across as extroverted and a free spirit doesn't make her slutty or 'tainted'. She is slutty and tainted because she was created by a coomer solely as the object of lust, without any real regard for nandroids as nannies and maids. If you knew anything about TLO's character design "philosophy" you would know this. >Some will understandably point out the lack of stories she has as proof she's two dimensional in character, while ignoring that the subtle details in many of her images tell a story in of themselves and reveal her to be a far more complex and fleshed out Nandroid than many would realise. Avery is a two-dimensional character in spite of her creation and creator, not because of them. Any material, in stories or images, that develops her as a character beyond just "nandroid but then a tomboy" is provided by fans of her and not TLO, and can't in any way be called "canon" to her. That Avery is wholly separate from the Avery of your affections. >Not to mention the tomboy archetype as the Aryan ideal for a woman. The "Aryan Ideal" would be a tall, fair-skinned nandroid with blue eyes and blonde hair, something not even applicable to them considering they all have blue-in-blue eyes and wear wigs. A tomboy is a class of behaviors, practices and interests, not phenotype as "Aryan" implies, and a class that has been fetishized and commodified into a bland, gray-sludge stereotype drawn more from Japanese manga than any real life interactions with real tomboys. >There's a reason she was so popular in the fandom after all... Because she's the nandroid personification of the above tomboy stereotype, and that gets people's rocks off.
>>33462 God I wish wendy had new fics
>>33463 >God I wish wendy had new fics write them
>>33464 I suck at writing
>>33466 more writing makes you a better writer
>>33468 didnt work for nantales
>>33464 Nah I'd rather draw
>>33457 you're mixing up your definitions, anon, all White people are allowed to enter Hyperborea
>>33471 We slavs made hyperborean befire the reptiles came in
>>33470 Then draw Wendy.
>>33473 I actually might...
>>33435 I think I liked Teelokay more before he became a trendwhore ("DRAW MY OUTFIT! I LOVE HARLEY QUINN DON'T YOU?"). He's this close to posting the "GIVE ME SIX CHARACTERS TO DRAW IN MY STYLE (sorry oomfies only)" meme at this point.
>>33479 Money and numbers rot people
>>33479 teelo is a massive fucking retard who argues about the most inane retarded twitterbrain shit as if he's some based culture warrior and then he whines about his account dying
>>33483 Ok anon
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>>33483 What topic did he BTFO you on? For me, it was him calling out Starfield as shit even before its release. Made me seethe, but he was right in the end. I remember listening to those streams he used to do, talking about interesting things with friends and random callers while drawing new Averys. I thought he came across as an intelligent, articulate, sensitive young man with good drawing skills and knowledge of politics and the world in general, whose accent, admittedly, sounded a little bit like bugs bunny.
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>>33500 >What topic did he BTFO you on? the topic of not knowing shit >For me, it was him calling out Starfield as shit even before its release this is a very easy opinion to have considering it was in dev for 15 shitty years with millions sunk into it with no results. if you held on until a fucking porn artist said it was bad you only have yourself to blame. teelo is a fat, pissy retard whose only opinions center around culturewar babyshit and why there are no babes in videogames anymore.
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>>33513 >fat, pissy retard Where's your 100k followers and fat monthly paychecks from Avery hoodies and other merchandise? Oh, that's right. You're also forgetting that his posting in the Emmy/co/ threads reversed their steady decline and introduced literally thousands of now long term, contributory fans to Domcell/Emmy's comic and the fandom through his OC and twitter account. And no, it wasn't, everyone was on the hype train after the gameplay trailer. He was one of a tiny minority being shitted on for what in hindsight was sound judgment and I give him credit for not being swept up in it. >culturewar babyshit and why there are no babes in videogames anymore. This is an actual problem though, videogames are practically one of the last mainstream bastions and forms of creative, cultural expression for the White race. The coordinated subversion since gamergate has many rightly in uproar over it. TLO is no exception and shouldn't be singled out. He has his flaws, like every human being, but whining about him for a couple of twitter posts you don't like shouldn't be one of them. A far bigger critique should be his procrastination/reluctance to further expand on Avery's backstory and to collaborate with some close, trusted writefags to help give her grounding. She would have been an even bigger hit and a boon to his popularity and the Emmy fandom had he done so.
>>33514 What's done is done. Once a coom character, always a coom character. Now he can make some abysmal change off her with merch very little people actually want. This fandom only breeds suckers and losers.
>>33514 >fat monthly paychecks >$120 a month thats poor even in yurop standards, and the only people wearing avery hoodies are brownian mutts >his posting in the Emmy/co/ threads reversed their steady decline newfag sentiment >gameplay trailer if you knew anything about the development before then you would know it was gonna be shit ten years ago >videogames >expression of the White race You should kill yourself if your perception of your Race is upheld by pixels dancing on a screen, and that one of its foremost defenders is a Fleming complaining about the lack of tits in those dancing pixels, and not any other possible achievement in culture than what exist solely to make money.
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>>33516 Calling me a newfag because the truth interferes with your distorted headcanon won't change the fact that he played a major part in the fandom's growth and is the reason we got as far as we did. >perception of your Race is upheld by pixels dancing on a screen They're an expression of White culture and therefore any attacks on them are an attack against us That's how it starts, the slow march through the institutions and the ratchet system/Fabian methods of gradualism that leads to the complete subversion and transformation of their targets into a vehicle of anti-White narratives. The removal of attractive women is only the beginning and to dismiss that is to miss the point and stumble like we have in every other cultural struggle. The only way to stop it is to draw the line and kick off against them now, otherwise they'll gain another foothold in the few, fleeting positions we still have left.
>>33518 >he played a major part in the fandom's growth sure >is the reason we got as far as we did hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha >attacks on them are an attack against us hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ah yes my favorite. Arguing
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>>33522 >Arguing Ah yes, my favorite nan.
>>33523 Mine too
make sure to vote emmy in ms co
>>33541 why not?
>>33542 Everytime I go to /co/ on 4chin It makes me wish for MAD
>>33540 And make a fool of myself? No.
>>33545 its still nominations so go choose emmy and vote. its been four years since peru and she deserves it
>>33546 her comic is dead and so is the fandom she deserves nothing
>>33547 then why are you posting in an Emmy the Robot thread
>>33552 He just wants to be mad
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>>33522 We can go smaller.
>>33568 You into children?
>>33570 JumboG is, for sure
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Uhh crappy art incoming
>>33575 Gem.
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>>33591 Wendy! She's the best girl
>>33592 Who?
>>33593 Faggot
>>33594 another lesbonan figures
>>33595 Nah she's straight as a straight line
>>33596 shes gays for sally obviously because of wendyanon and nanales
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>>33600 gem!
>>33600 >>33599 Why are these a thing? Is this what writefags do now do circlejerk
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>>33611 Earlier that evening...
>>33612 Based pic fellow drawfag
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>>33616 Made for impregnation
>>33611 >Why are these a thing? Because love exists and good artists recognize it.
>>33620 So according to you cuckoldry is love?
>>33621 I mean I dunno about you but I'm pretty sure wendy liked mark and mark liked her back in the story. I guess some people just can't read.
>>33621 When did mark put a ring on her?
>>33621 >cuckoldry nantales and wendyanon 4ever
>>33620 >sees picture of two nandroids kissing >first thought is being a cuck lol
>>33625 >sees picture of two nandroids kissing >first thought is being a cuck >lol it's because they're not kissing (you), (you) are watching them kiss, like a cuck.
>>33627 >like a cuck this implies I'm interested in either. if you watch your parents kiss, is your dad somehow cucking you you freak>
>>33616 moar
>>33628 >not being interested in sexo Nandroids did your dad touching you give you a bad case of homosexualism you freak>
>>33623 What are you a low iq imbecile? >>33625 You quite literally didn't read the story then. >>33628 Ok homo
>>33635 why would i read a story written by nantales?
>>33638 No the wendy one
>>33639 OliviAnon?
>>33640 The wendy & bishop one
>>33641 So nantales smut.
>>33642 It isn't smut though...
>>33635 Where is the monthly comic?
>>33632 >>not being interested in sexo Nandroids >did your dad touching you give you a bad case of homosexualism you freak UHHH YOURE NOT HORNY FOR TWO FANDROIDS??? YOUR DAD MUST HAVE RAPED YOU YOU WEIRDO >>33635 >You quite literally didn't read the story then. is fanart suddenly canon now kek >>33643 yes it is? nantales literally did a slop ton of wendy smut stories with sally
>>33611 What? Fat tits?
>>33658 Moar
>>33667 Zero G Sex
>>33668 She is pure sexxo
>>33658 >>33666 >>33667 >>33669 mid plump robot
>>33670 Wifenan. We should nake wifenans
>>33671 cringe why can't you guys ever stop waifufagging and do things involving normal nandroids like molly or emmy instead?
>>33672 >robowaifu >complaining about waifuing. Yep you are a faggot
>>33672 waifufagging is cool and good, just don't make the cute robots amerilard-sized
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>>33678 Nandroid mohelet
>>33682 A full jumbo is a happy jumbo.
The morning’s cold air clings tightly to the skin as if likewise in shock and seeking comfort. The witnesses, who covered their large eyes, knelt, or turned away at the moment of the passing now regain their composure. The weak sun faintly illuminating stunned faces who reluctantly take in the scene. The small metal body lays stomach down where it had fallen, hands outstretched as if in surprise; it swims, still in its distinctive leather jacket, in a mixture of oil and an undiscernable gloop steadily pouring out without restraint onto the damp cobbled stones below. The ecstatic Frenchman, dressed in scanty women’s clothing and sporting a pulsing erection clearly unbothered by the deathly chill, takes in his final victory with an exhale; the large, rusty blade with a new oily coating in his hand sways lightly in the wind. An old enemy of countless battles finally vanquished and cast to the netherworld, never to return. His gaze rests upon the severed head, some ten feet from its body and vacantly staring at the nervously shuffling feet of its own kind, the light brown wig still clinging tenaciously, unaware that its line of duty was now at an end. He picks it up with a care and tenderness unlike the hatred he had poured upon it in times past. Two pairs of empty eyes locked together for a moment that seems to stretch for eternity, a memory that one would relish and relieve day after day even until the lonely, choking throes of the noose a few years from now. He turns to the other Frenchman, with obvious foreign blood, who approaches with a quilted scarlet pillow outstretched in his hands, awaiting the final delivery into his possession. This one had come all the way from Bordeaux to personally witness the end of an era at the hands of his fellow countryman; though there was no love nor favour granted in this, only a quiet acknowledgment and a desire to part ways as soon as politeness permitted. The head is slowly and delicately placed onto the cushion, now angled to gaze up at the endless grey sky above, then the foreign Frenchman turns and moves to the group of Nandroids behind him, a bobbing assortment of wig colours and strained faceplates. In front of the others meekly stands one that had attended to the departed just moments before, its hollow blue eyes fixed upon the head as it paused and hovered expectantly before her. She grasps it, tensing and gasping quietly as her arms droop before recovering, not anticipating the weight it carried. She pauses for a few seconds, perhaps processing the enormity of what has happened, then turns and is enveloped by her friends, who quietly begin to walk with her to the remains. They will not let any human touch them; silk white palms out, they force back those who try to help, to console or reassure. Slipping on the dark fluids, the sound of metal tapping on stone, they surround and stoop over the artificial carcass, pulling away the chair in which the final moments had been spent. A faint whirring of limb motors as they lift what is left of their friend, gripping by the jacket and jeans; afraid the clothing will tear and the contact of live metal with inert. They organise and, unspokenly, begin to walk in synchronisation, faces fixed on the grassy plain thirty yards ahead, a very small rectangular coffin lying in wait next to a freshly dug hole of a similar size. The small frame just about fits, the jacket rubbing and creasing against the walls of its wooden tomb as the thin arms are crossed over the narrow chest. The Nandroid holding the crown genuflects with her still leaking parcel, her faceplate frozen bar the lips moving soundlessly no doubt with parting words and a curse for the executioner. As there is no other space, she carefully places it upon the corpse’s pointy feet. Standing up, loose strands of her auburn bob cut blowing faintly in the wind, her sisters join alongside and pay their final, mute goodbye. They remain motionless until the coffin’s lid is sealed, then begin to leave; their now darkened gloves again held up and away from themselves to reject all offers and to not stain their dresses, quietly departing in the direction of a waiting motorcar.
>>33685 Good start anon, I'd recommend slowing down when you write and a good trick starting out is reading your work aloud to yourself. You use "as if" a lot, and stumble with it but other than that this is solid for a first short.
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>>33687 Thank you. I've been wanting to get into creative writing for a while and was always putting it off. I'd like to actually contribute to what's left of the fandom and see what I'm capable of for once rather than just baiting and occasionally pushing discussions along.
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>>33688 >I've been wanting to get into creative writing for a while and was always putting it off The hardest part of any creative endeavor is starting, and you did so while sharing it publicly. The worst is behind you. I would recommend finding some more official style guides and primers online so you can tweak your grammar; the trouble of being a native English speaker (as I assume you are) is that sometimes we forget or overrule our own rules for writing. Sometimes this can be used to great stylistic effect, but other times it can pollute the narrative you are trying to communicate. That grammatical confusion is the biggest criticism I would level here since it's pervasive in your short and often makes sentences coil backwards into themselves and make them difficult to read and understand at a first look.
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>>33692 >bimbo headband gee thanks i wouldnt have got it otherwise
Oh yeah that was why people dont like dixie, the thread shitting
>>33696 explain
>>33688 I think you're in the wrong place. Nothing ever gets made here besides shitposting and your post.
>>33696 >dixie You mean nantales
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>>33698 I have nowhere else to go, There's no other fanbase I can find that captures my interest in the same way this one did.
>>33701 You belong here, keep posting your stories, you have potential. Don't listen to trolls, they're just trying to dismantle what's left of the fanbase. We musn't allow hate to win.
>>33703 >they're just trying to dismantle what's left of the fanbase There's nothing left to dismantle without an actual comic man, it's a dying fandom.
>>33704 >this The comic is slowly grinding to a halt, panels every Saturday have become one every month. Five years have passed. How much longer do we need to wait? Five more? Ten? Perhaps it will turn into a perm hiatus after Dom succumbs to the great sleep? All that's left is jumbo's palace, but they don't seem to be doing anything really inspiring. You can only keep the current artists entertained for so long before they too, like the twitter artists before them, abandon the fandom as well. >>33701 However, I will concede that a story not choked by big j's chastity collar is a good thing. Keep up the good work.
>>33705 >Keep up the good work I wouldn't call it good yet, it's almost unreadable, but effort is in short supply nowadays. Especially from Dom.
>>33744 Cute, who is she?
>>33744 Xaky. OC from the Latino fandom. Yandere as fuck.
>>33775 Remind me of the time Army used similar catgirl themed ads on 4chan, so yes this is high quality. Just not really adequate for "modern audiences".
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Sauce?
@Kiwi re: >>33775 Seems kinda faggotish to me (cf. Rule #2 of 2). Besides, encouraging any man to join the US Military right now is just about one of the most abusive (murderous, I'd say) things that someone could do--and especially to any Anon. I suggest del'g.
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>>33786 Very true, who would want to die before their time, especially before our precious Nannies are created, for a dishonourable cause? Mind you, that is an interesting question: would you join the army if robowaifu's had been developed by the government and were promised one if you fought? I'm not so sure myself if I'm honest
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>>33786 On one side, it violates our rules, is morally questionable, and is double gay because of the navy. HOWEVER, gave me a giggle. You can delete it, I won't.
Gonna do a full sketch of this doodle tomorrow. Gonna give a comedic bent too. "Phat Booty? They're hip joints, my dude."
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>>33810 Here it is. Though I'm not satisfied with results. Might try drawing it again.
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Oh yes, the month is upon us at last
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>>33830 Indeed
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>>33833 here's the template if you want it
Emmy the Robot is dead. >No new comic in two months >No thread in two months that didn't die instantly Emmy the Robot is dead, and we killed her.
>>33914 acceptance is the first step good job reich
>>33916 >good job reich Wrong guy. Reich never cared about Emmy.
>>33917 no one cares about emmy anymore oldfags might have though it seems people liked her world more than her which resulted in waifufagging
>>33914 >Emmy the Robot is dead, and Dom killed her Fixed. The vast majority of the fandom's ills are downwind of a lack of official content.
>>33916 >>33917 >>33918 >>33919 Post nans or get bans :)
>>33920 >AI slop No thanks. I'd rather discuss the Emmy the Robot fandom considering Dom has either given up on Emmy or is failing to communicate in any way what he plans to do next. Unless this thread is only for posting pictures of nandroids and not talking about where they come from?
>>33920 Why post nans if we getted banned anyway if they aren't sexualized enough or have an old timey joke?
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>>33923 What are you talking about? Don't listen to them, posting nans is the best!
>>33775 >>33924 Come on anon...
>>33924 >What are you talking about? Don't listen to them, posting nans is the best! But you're not allowed to talk about them!
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>>33921 >failing to communicate in any way what he plans to do next Didn't he say something about a book? Like a graphic novel of kind?
>>33927 He did, though now he doesn't explain anything, even to those backing him with money.
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>>33935 Anon, I...
>>33936 It's only dead if you think it's dead
>>33923 hello Ingram
>>33939 >Standing over a pallid corpse on a steel slab >I dont know I dont think hes dead, he should get up any second now >His heart hasnt beat in two months and there ve been no brainwaves in just as long >yeah but i dont think hes dead
>>33942 We aren't taling about actual people though.
>>33944 >he doesn't think of Emmy and Emmy fandom as living, breathing things This is why you don't think they're dead.
>>33945 You've never been in a small fandom have you?
>>33949 Anon, this is a small fandom.
>>33951 Then there is nothing to be affraid of
>>33952 >small fandoms are immune to dying >somehow not more susceptible to it
>>33963 If it dies you can only blame yourself.
>>33967 Yes, you get it. The /co/ fandom is responsible for the threads dying, and Dom not making anything worth posting about, or anything at all, is why it won't be revived.
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>>34075 lulu is love Will take both trick and treat
>>34090 clearly not lulu
>>34091 That's still a Lulu, just a derived evolution of her resulting from a selective pressure for larger breast volume.
>>34092 lulu is just a fetishnan like all the rest
>>34093 That wasn't the point, the point is that that's still a Lulu.
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>>34100 This is three or four layers of slop
>>34101 Dixieslop?
>>34104 >fandroid slop >donutsteel slop >porn slop >race swap slop >disney fotm slop >bad art slop
>>34107 still better than jumboslop
>>34108 >anon will take bimbo negress hoodrat cosplay dixieslop over no nsfw
>>34109 Unirronically based.
>>34148 >Unirronically based. >says porn is better than nsfw ban >posts no porn
>>34109 based take
>>34203 gross cow tits
>>34205 You wanted porn. You've got porn
>>34237 Sorry for sounding stupid. Who's dorothy?
>>34241 R. Dorothy Wayneright, (one of) this namefag's waifu(s). Robot from an anime called The Big O. DorothyAnon is a synonym for the Yukio spammer/ReichsFuhrer from the old /co/ threads, for added context.
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>>34241 My robowaifu who Im going to make real one day
>>34243 >The Big O <The Big Big O
>>34244 >AI slop You can make her real today by picking up a pencil. I get why corporations flock to this shit because it flips a "save money" switch in their boardroom brains but it takes as much time to type a prompt as it does to draw even a very shitty doodle of a character you like, and at least the latter you can say is yours and yours alone.
>>34244 >>34243 Oh that makes sense
>>34246 He means in real life
>>34353 Is a drawing not real life? Does it not exist in the same room as you? Can you not pick it up, hold it, admire it?
>>34354 In a literal sense, sure. But I'm talking about a real-life robot
>>34357 What's closer to making your robowaifu real: making your own art of her with time and effort, or outsourcing it to a brainless machine to do it for you?
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>>34376 >shittalking AI on a robotics fourm You do realize the very same "soulless" AI is what's going to be used for our robowaifus?
>>34393 Generative AI slop is not the same as a novel, personable AI that would inhabit the brain of a nandroid. It's not like you're going to go to midjourney one day and have it generate you a wife, either.
>>34394 Generative AI is what LLMs are, and what robotics researchers use. Otherwise, your robowaifu will be very limited in it's operation and personality
>>34395 Don't see what that has to do with image generation, which is invariably slop.
>>34397 Well first of all, the "slop" part is subjective, secondly, it's the exact same mechanism. If you think AI art is "soulless" and "slop", then you think the same way about robowaifus.
>>34398 >Well first of all, the "slop" part is subjective Sure. It still requires no effort or input or care or creation. >then you think the same way about robowaifus This is an Emmy thread, and it's quite clear that the nandroids of the comic are markedly different or derived from the LLMs of today to the point of self-awareness and emotionality, things that our LLMs are devoid of since they simply recombine and mulch our inputs together into the most likely output, including hallucinations.
>>34399 Something isn't inherently good just because effort was put in, or inherently bad because it was easy. And while fictional AI is pretty cool, it's quite foolish to completely dismiss the real-life equivalent, especially since it's what will let us make robowaifus in real-life
>>34400 >Something isn't inherently good just because effort was put in, or inherently bad because it was easy Sure. But the former is inherently better, and the latter inherently worse. I'm disregarding the robowaifu angle because it's not what I was talking about, and generative AI has robbed and will continue to rob humanity of what makes us fundamentally human.
>>34401 Really the bottom line here is that human made art and literature, etc. will always be better than anything made by an AI as we currently have them over the simple matter of "soul". Robots and robowaifus don't have souls if we imagine them as descending from and being similar to the aggregate models we have now, and so on.
>>34402 Well I think AI robowaifus will be great. Let's agree to disagree.
>>34404 I was talking only about AI art being shit, which it is and will be forever.
>>34413 Again, that's subjective
>>34413 And 640KB ought to be enough for everybody?
>>34414 Subjectively correct. >>34415 A pen and paper should suffice.
>>34416 >A pen and paper should suffice. Why are you even here, then? Isn't the whole point of this board research towards automation? I 100% agree that the current generation of image models suck ass, but it's obviously not going to stay that way, just like the computing industry hasn't stood still for the past 60+ years. It will probably need a novel approach though, I believe we're reaching the limits of diffusion models.
>>34417 >Why are you even here, then? I go where Emmy goes.
>>34417 >but it's obviously not going to stay that way, just like the computing industry hasn't stood still for the past 60+ years. It's weird how no one seems to get this. AI is currently doing stuff that would be considered science-fiction 5 years ago. ChatGPT was released only 2 years ago. AI images have gone from toddler finger paint to adequate images. Imagine what will happen in the next 5 years.
>>34416 Yes, subjective, your opinion and your opinion only.
>>34425 its like 20 years old and the technique is from the 70s, the internet just wasnt big enough nor centralized enough to harvest the quantity of data required
>>34425 Before I get called bitter or something, let me say that I wish for the fun scifi robot utopia. However, the "experts" have been promising "household butler robots were only a few years away" for like the past 50 years. Please take any tech demos of robots with a grain of salt unless you actually own the robot/software and can test it yourself ;) Remember the Amazon stores (or something like that) without checkouts that supposedly used AI to track people and the product they took off the shelves? Turns out they just hired a bunch of Indian fellows to watch the store.
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>>34416 David Shapiro (AI guy on youtube) had a book he was making. He had art created by human artists and AI. When he focus tested the covers, the AI won out. You could argue the human artists were just bad or the matter of subjective preference for design of the cover but whatever you argue, the AI cover won out. I think you'll find in the future whether it's robotics or AI, the market will decide the value of a thing. I don't want to employ the luddite argument, but I'm sure the printing press word setter felt there was an "art" to his labor. Much the same way the elevator operator felt his control of an elevator was necessary to ensure the safety of its passengers and he could never be replaced. There will be an innate value to human art but given that subjective nature of art, that value may not be recognized by the market if AI can produce something that consumers want more or for cheaper than a human creator charges. That being said, I like both AI and traditional art so getting mad at people liking a thing doesn't make sense to me.
>>34430 >When he focus tested the covers, the AI won out This is because the art of book covers has been so reduced and so streamlined to the minimalist, the corporatist, the capitalist palate that today's average reader cannot tell what is produced by the agents of the former or the machines their masters trained to replace them, and so finds no difference.
>>34428 Yes, and now that we have the data and computing power, it's developing exponentially.
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>>34433 at the start yeah but its short, the progression curve of everything is logarithmic, it becomes linear shortly after then plateaus, but you dont know when until it happens like processors which is now plateaued
>>34434 I feel like we hit that ceiling around the mid part of 2024 but no one wanted the prices of GPUs to go down and were hoping to ride the AI wave out as long as they could sell NVIDIA stock. Right now we need lateral innovation. There's a lot of cool tech but it's not really optimized. LLMs are nice but you're not going to be able to run your off-the-grid waifu bot on some big 120B monstrosity from home without some A100's and some technical expertise. Even with good quanting a 30B model needs lots of VRAM, probably an SLI setup. There's the other issue that LLMs aren't sentient and are effectively sophisticated autocomplete. That's a gross oversimplification of the math under the hood I know, but essentially that's what's going on. In that way, I don't see loading an LLM onto your robot as imbuing it with sentience. Charitably I'd call it a sovlful interface depending on the respective LLM's sophistication. Maybe we just need some sifi shit to drop or for someone to finally come out with a superconductor.
>>34435 While LLMs are not "sentient", they most definitely pass the turing test, and have been shown to be good companions, and even possibly robot brains. And that's what we need for our goals.
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>>34437 >have been shown to be good companions It may be my big brained nature but I can't consider them as companions. It's akin to knowing how a neat card trick works. If you don't know how it works, it's magic. If you do, it loses the divine nature. It's like believing the villagers in animal crossing really know what they're saying or doing at any given time. As far as user interfaces go, it'd be better to have an LLM than not for domestic use, but I wouldn't be able to project onto it something more. It wouldn't be more than an intricate Alexa. >and even possibly robot brains LLMs can't work as brains as far as I've seen. They'd be a useful interface for a robot brain to communicate to a human, but by themselves they don't have any logic to their autocomplete. It's all shitloads of training on lots and lots of data. Tangentially, I think the research that went into LLMs could possibly aid in how a robot brain learns. We've become exceptionally proficient at training LLMs and now models can create better training methods based on their own data and how they learn which is pretty rad. >That sounds pretty smart Humans are still the guiding factor though. AFAIK, we haven't had any skynet situations where AIs started gathering data for fun to figure things out unless we explicitly told them to do that. When an AI can discern itself and determine it can improve itself by gathering more data and does that of its own accord, whatever tech that is will make me believe we have robot brains on the horizon. I've heard whispers of spooky shit from google and such but nothing to convince me we have a real ghost in the machine yet.
>>34438 There are plenty of examples of LLM powered robots. And knowing how LLMs work is no different than knowing what a good friend is going to probably say in a conversation. Anyway, if LLMs are so bad, then I'm certain you have a good alternative/replacement
>>34439 I like to think of LLMs as one component of the digital mind. You still need other code to support it such as external (non LLM) memory, image recognition software, individual face recognition, body movement, etc etc. Putting them all into 1 model would be a big pain so might as well make "subroutines" and whatnot.
>>34438 >It may be my big brained nature but I can't consider them as companions. It's akin to knowing how a neat card trick works. If you don't know how it works, it's magic. If you do, it loses the divine nature. Well then you'll never be impressed. You will never have a RoboWaifu. Even if you get sci-fi AI, when you find out how it works, you'll be still unimpressed. You will have to be kept in a perpetual state of deliberate ignorance.
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>>34439 >There are plenty of examples of LLM powered robots I didn't say there weren't, in fact, I noted they're generally part of the interface so that humans can better interact with them. LLMs aren't the only thing under the hood though. As >>34440 notes, there's lots of moving parts, both literally and metaphorically. >Anyway, if LLMs are so bad, then I'm certain you have a good alternative/replacement I didn't say they were bad, I'm just saying they're not actual brains. I'm not the one building or coding them so I can't tell you the tech that will manifest a proper robot brain. >And knowing how LLMs work is no different than knowing what a good friend is going to probably say in a conversation. Are all your good friends NPCs? Chiding aside, it may be a matter of how my brain is wired. >>34442 >Well then you'll never be impressed. I don't know about that. There will be a lot more to robot waifus than LLMs I hope. Anyway, I'm already impressed with modern AI tech, I'm just not sure I would qualify AIs as companions (yet). >Even if you get sci-fi AI, when you find out how it works, you'll be still unimpressed. You will have to be kept in a perpetual state of deliberate ignorance. Little hyperbolic yeah? Depends on how far the si-fi lane we're at. If we're growing androids in vats or creating organic cyberbrains that would scarcely be a robot waifu at that point. That's something different altogether. Personally, I just need it to be able to navigate 3-D environments, perform household tasks and maybe ply some robot pussy as needed. While the fantasy of a robot having personality and agency make for good reading, on a more practical basis I need it to follow orders and be reliable mechanically. An LLM or some other tech adding personality on top isn't really necessary. If it did have one, I'd probably prefer a more deadpan non-emotional personalty akin to Dorothy from Big-O. A real no-nonsense sort of deal. In most cases, it'd be no more a companion than my PC or a smart phone.
>>34447 I was definitely being hyperbolic, my point was that no matter what, no matter how advanced it was, if you knew what happened under the hood, if you knew how "the card trick" worked, you would be unimpressed.
>people are still arguing because I said AI art is shit
>>34457 The fate of disliking Jumbo art.
>>34458 Jumbo's art is soulless and sterile, but made by a human at the least. AI Art is identical except without any human care or thought put into it.
>>34460 Does this nan have a story?

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