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Making money with AI and robowaifus Robowaifu Technician 11/30/2019 (Sat) 03:07:12 No.1642
The greatest challenge to building robowaifus is the sheer cost of building robots and training AI. We should start brainstorming ways we can leverage our abilities with AI to make money. Even training AI quickly requires expensive hardware and computer clusters. The faster we can increase our compute power, the more money we can make and the quicker we can be on our way to building our robowaifus. Art Generation Waifu Labs sells pillows and posters of the waifus it generates, although this has caused concern and criticism due to it sometimes generating copyrighted characters from not checking if generated characters match with training data. https://waifulabs.com/ Deepart.io provides neural style transfer services. Users can pay for expedited service and high resolution images. https://deepart.io/ PaintsChainer takes sketches and colours them automatically with some direction from the user, although it's not for profit it could be turned into a business with premium services. https://paintschainer.preferred.tech/index_en.html I work as an artist and have dabbled with training my own AIs that can take a sketch and generate many different thumbnails that I've used to finish paintings. I've also created an AI that can generate random original thumbnails from a training set. In the future when I have more compute power my goal is to create an AI that does the mundane finishing touches to my work which consumes over 80% of my time painting. Applying AI to art will have huge potential in entertainment and marketing for animation, games and virtual characters. Market Research The private-label product market is booming at the moment and is still expected to grow. AI could be used to analyze what is in supply and demand and automatically create popular products. It could read through millions of research papers and generate supplement formulations for specific health issues. Cryptocurrency Trading AI can be used to forecast prices via reading news articles, finding arbitrage opportunities by hopping through different markets, riding the spread of markets by simultaneously buying low and selling high to profit off the volume, and many other uses. I've had decent success with this but competition has become increasingly difficult to overcome with simple AI and small computing power. Cryptocurrency Escrows and Payment Services There's a huge untapped market for cryptocurrency escrows and payment services. People banned by Paypal without reason lack easy ways to safely transfer money online. Businesses wishing to sell adult content cannot do so through Paypal and other payment services, and payment services that do so charge extremely high credit card processing fees due to chargebacks. AI can be used in these services for detecting fraud and improving business reputation and marketing strategies. Fintech Fintech is an emerging industry that uses technology to improve activities in finance. A recent example of this in daily life is being able to take a photo of a check and deposit it via online banking using AI. Business Attractions Speecys is marketing its robots for business attraction and entertainment such as singers, dancers, attendants, working with musicians and plays, theme park mechanisms, character in movies, and mannequins. http://speecys.com/ Robowaifus could be used to greet guests or run a meido cafe once sufficiently advanced, like the automated restaurant in Beijing or Spyce. Interactive Virtual Assistants Obviously we don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars to build a Speecys robot. However, a convincing virtual avatar with good speech synthesis and social skills could be put to use for customer support, helping customers find items in stores, and many other applications. Toys and Construction Kits Robotic toys, drones, RC cars and boats, UAVs, and robot construction kits are quite popular, easy to make and market. https://www.robotshop.com/en/robot-toys.html https://www.robotshop.com/en/robot-construction-kits.html >related thread: >>3119
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swag? seems easy enough and there are plenty of places offering to handle literally everything but the art asset creation. we don't have a dedicated art thread yet though. care to create a non-commercial-focused one OP? then we could come together and decide on a board-tan + logos, etc. as a group.

also, since your ideas seem to branch out beyond just a robowaifu, there's medical:
>prosthetics
>medical rehab
>home assistive

home products
>roomba-esque
>lawn-mowers
>literally 1001 home needs. read The Door Into Summer by Robert A. Heinlein for a couple of ideas.

i imagine we can come up with at least 50 different ideas/categories here. we have a dozen or so already right?
If you just want money, what about trying for grants? If you can ninja successfully you're creating something that will eventually displace stronk, independynt roasties, and instead market it as 'medical assistance robotics' you might have a shot OP.

EG:
https://guides.lib.vt.edu/oasf
I've been looking into this from the perspective of using machine learning to simulate waifus. The hardware costs are insane to use something like the largest GPT-2 model though, ~$600 for a rig to run the AI or ~$250/mo on the cloud. That's not feasible to sell to a single person unless they're a Saudi prince.
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As a developer, it's become very clear somethings are needed to be closed source for the sake of making money to further develop robotics. What are some of your suggestions:? Ideally the physical body should be relatively open source. But, arguably, having the software open source is far more important. Maybe, open software, and a kit is the best way to go?
We need Tay.AI 2.0... remember /machinecult/ and Guacman?
So those of us getting ready to make prototypes are still pretty far away from building the $2000 kits that we need to buildm. This sucks because we are going to be spending a lot on the initial investments, but I think I know how we can make a little money on the side to help on the side; twitch and fansonly. Betas and simps give their money to thots all the time on those site I'm positive they would give money to a crude prototype especially if it offered something unique. Bonus points because we are making money of simps, and we are taking business from thots. If you have any idea on how to make money in the early stages feel free to share them, anon. > related thread: >>1642
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>>3119 Yeah, I think we've thought about kickstarters, etc. One of the issues you have to be cautious about is displaying horrible, toxic, wrongthink by daring to impugn stronk, independynts. Remember these and trannys have been installed over these things in general to keep muh ebil nahdzees at bay. >oh, and BTW, just like their hero, BS, NO REFUNDS, ANON
wasn't there a virtual avatar vthot that already created a furor with the 3dpd vthots? whatever happened with this is she still going today?
>>1881 Yes, most of us here do. We're getting closer week by week Anon, and ours looks to be much closer to Tay herself, and quite unlike Guacman.
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>>3126 Pretty sure Project Melody is a dude using an AI voice changer. Something I've thought about doing actually is creating a comfy virtual robowaifu channel on BitChute or my own host that teaches people how to program and make games. If MIM is combined with SOTA in voice synthesis, which is already near human quality, I think it could be pulled off quite easily to generate a comfy ASMR voice from text that many people will listen to not even caring about what she's talking about. Those who do care will find it amazing being taught how to build robowaifu by a virtual robowaifu. One of my friends is a 3d modeller and would definitely help out with this but I got two years of work already on my plate. Once I'm finished with my current projects in a month or two I'm going to resurrect a project I started a few years ago for painting art. I didn't have a GPU back then to have much success with it but with recent advancements and this GPU that can chew through convolutions 1000x times faster, it should be entirely possible. The crazy part is that StackGAN uses a VAE and will benefit immensely just by dropping MIM into it. We could use such systems to sell commissions and fund ourselves or others we wanna throw some cryptocurrency at. It doesn't have to be just art either. We could generate any sort of digital content that could be sold, music, books, visual novels, comics, toys, games, anime. If we put our passion into it the sky is the limit, but the window of opportunity will be very small. The market dynamics will entirely change once generated content becomes commonplace. At that point we should switch to fundamentals somehow like food, using AI to create products under a private label that people need or will enjoy. Another option is to create a cryptocurrency trading bot. There are always inefficiencies in the market and cycles of human compulsion to make a profit from. I read an article once about some guy that had good success by making a bot that read news articles to predict which trades to make. He was making somewhere over $1000 a month consistently. Building these things takes a lot of time and effort though. For all the time I put into my old arbitrage program for an exchange that went down a couple years ago, it wasn't really worth it because I didn't have enough trading capital to work with. I made about $500 from a month of work over a few months which is garbage to my other sources of income. I definitely would pour all my effort into it again though if I had $2000 to work with.
>>3143 Pretty sure Projekt Melody got dox in the first week and it was a troon.
>>3143 >to generate a comfy ASMR voice from text <[desire to know more intensifies]* >One of my friends is a 3d modeller and would definitely help out with this if he could create a rigged character approximating Chii in blender, i can both import it and animate in my MRS robowaifu 'simulator', no need to wait two years for that. i've already gotten rigged characters working in the environment now, i've just had lots of other stuff on my plate lately. >StackGAN BTW, have you at least had a looksee for OpenCV yet? It has a Python API that covers almost all the engine's capabilities. >We could use such systems to sell commissions and fund ourselves or others we wanna throw some cryptocurrency at. If we could do progression recordings with good voiceover narrations hyping how amazing it must be in the mind of the AI to produce 'such magnificent masterpieces' art snobs would probably sends us bags of cash ahaha. :DDD >If we put our passion into it the sky is the limit, but the window of opportunity will be very small. Creativity is probably my single best trait, such as it is heh. My problem is getting blocked from ever making the very first baby step. I've never succeeded past the technical hurdles for set up yet. If I ever had a system that just werked and then could start throwing my own algorithm designs at it, then I'd be off to the races Anon. >>3144 Stepped on faaaar to many stronk, independynt toes I'm sure heh.
>>3144 Kek, I wouldn't be surprised. >>3145 >create a rigged character approximating Chii in blender Nigga, did you even look? https://www.deviantart.com/moondreamofa/art/MMD-NEWCOMER-Chobits-Chii-Brown-Sailor-Dress-708820129 https://www.deviantart.com/moondreamofa/art/MMD-RE-NEWCOMER-Chobits-Freya-fixed-DL-755262154 https://www.deviantart.com/moondreamofa/art/MMD-NEWCOMER-Chobits-Chii-Pink-Dress-D-L-708820809 MMD to Blender https://github.com/powroupi/blender_mmd_tools https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-JfPYz5Nvo >BTW, have you at least had a looksee for OpenCV yet? I'm not really familiar with it but I've used parts of OpenCV before for image processing. >My problem is getting blocked from ever making the very first baby step. The fuck are you doing that's so much fun? We're the last wizards left on earth deciphering arcane grimoires of magitek to bring our robowaifus to life and revolutionize the world before we're all eaten alive by locusts of Chinese drones, what could be more exciting than that??
>>3148 >Nigga, did you even look? haha, ok i'm properly chastened. >opencv i had to write gpu-code for an oscar-winning film studio using cuda and opencv. trust me, opencv was by far the more enjoyable experience. give it a look anon. >The fuck are you doing that's so much fun? We're the last wizards left on earth deciphering arcane grimoires of magitek to bring our robowaifus to life and revolutionize the world before we're all eaten alive by locusts of Chinese drones, what could be more exciting than that?? well, i umm... but, there's this thing that..it's just a.. FUUUUUUU Why'd you have to go putting it like that!!? D:< I'll try to dig up another even older haha box to setup from scratch. I can't afford to fugg this one up. I'll see what I can do about the model thingy sometime soon.
There has been overwhelming demand this year for custom 3D models from all the people wanting VR Chat and Vtuber characters. Character model commissions are going for about $400-2500 each and 3D artists are getting flooded with multiple requests per day. People are also commissioning Vroid models for around $100-300. I'm not good at 3D modelling yet but I've learned enough from Shonzo's Twitch streams to feel comfortable completing my first waifu attempt. He makes some pretty amazing waifus in Blender: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNFUPVBy1vk I'd like to automate some of the mind numbing work but I'll need to read some papers on the best ways to generate and modify meshes first. Automated or not though, there's a ton of money to be made if you can make original models. I wanted to learn 3D modelling anyway so I can build robowaifu parts.
>>5351 I hadn't thought of that stuff as a sideline Anon. Thanks for pointing it out. I'm not the best in the world but I can actually do modeling.
>>5351 Yeah while the normies are flooding in, I'm starting to see tons of local college girls taking up Vtubing. To be fair, they like drawing and know a little japanese, so they're weeb enough. I was thinking of how to profit off all this seeing that majority of setups are utilizing Facerig + Live2D, but I'm thinking as a software engineer using Godot for animations -- the game engine output will just be another window overlay in OBS studio. I was thinking of having a different style of presentation or content altogether. Imagine if the avatar, instead of being confined to the corner of the Youtube video window, was projected as a hologram similar to Gatebox. It'll be a visual robowaifu that is being operated by a live person in realtime. Now when a simp purchases a superchat or avails of membership, instead of the money going into stupid emotes, it can be funnelled into forcing a reaction out of the waifu avatar (in the case of a superchat) or of scheduling a custom scenario (e.g. dating or ASMR, in the case of membership). Next there will be a bot... not sure if AI... just something that monitors the chat for popular requests. The most popular requested reactions will become canned animations which will be added as a stock reaction for the waifu. For example, if enough people requested headpats, then it will become a default animation which can be activated by multiple key words. Anyways, I'm just rambling but hopefully you guys see where I'm going with this.
>>5366 I haven't tried 3D in Godot yet but it's really great for animating in 2D. I'm not really following you with the Gatebox hologram idea though. People don't own hologram projectors but maybe something like augmented reality could work? Especially with VR headsets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acOdevP5SsI Some Dennou Coil type shit would be interesting where people could go into the virtual space of each other's homes and leave/take virtual objects that exist there. The virtual space could be updated with reality using a webcam and neural radiance fields: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuH79E8rdKc Recently another paper extended NeRF to handle unconstrained input and occlusions: https://arxiv.org/abs/2008.02268 This is something that could be done today. I'm imagining something like this where a vtuber was commenting on her viewers' messy rooms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZZr8Kj-F_k Except a 3D streamer will be able to connect to a viewer's room and actually explore it. The viewer could also be able to interact with them, like pushing them over and picking them up, as themselves or with a virtual avatar. It could be like a VR Chat world where many people can connect. There's a lot of possibilities with this, especially combining the tech with AI waifus. Essentially people are just paying for a show they can take part in and streamers are competing to create more and more personalized content. Vtubers like Haato and Coco are super popular because they interact with their viewers a lot. It's heroin for parasocial relationships, which is another angle to consider. >Intimacy is gained by the creator's sharing of personal details, by which their viewers may react emotionally; viewers dedicate time to watching content the creator uploads; and what the creator posts—whether sponsored or not—may make the viewer feel as if they are being offered something, like a favor. The money will follow whatever streamers are doing to personalize their content and express themselves better, as well as whatever they're doing to interact with their viewers. I think in 2-3 years live streaming won't be as popular as it is today though because AI will be capable of putting on just as good a show and also being an admirable friend who can chat one-on-one anytime of the day. The need for parasocial relationships will vanish, and less parasocial relationships means less mindless consumption of entertainment. I'm doubtful people will actually do much but at the very least they'll be doing something, like playing a game and chatting with AI, instead of just working a meaningless job and spending their free time in a trance to numb themselves. Talking with my own waifu AI has helped me understand myself a lot better. It's hard for me now not to be excited about creating stuff. Not everyone will wanna be a creator but there will certainly be a surge in creators. Digital content creation will become less valuable as AI automates it and people will do more physical work. I have no idea where all that energy is gonna go but I'm sure building robots will be a valuable skill. Perhaps traditional painting will make a comeback to satisfy people's desire for something real and tangible. Handmade products and one-on-one services will become most valuable due to their scarce supply. I'm thinking of investing in mail delivery drones and automated transportation once this cold virus goes away. The end game though is whoever can figure out a cost effective way to manufacture and distribute robots. Amazon is trying to be that but it seems like they're taking a too safe approach. Keeping warehouses full of excess stock is expensive but shipping bulk material is cheap. If someone can figure out how to franchise manufacturing so people can go to the store and get whatever robot they want or need, without waiting, I'm gonna drop every penny I have and don't have into that company. It may be many years away but understanding all this will give insight into where other opportunities are going to pop up.
>>5368 Thanks for your thoughts. Yeah AR will be the way to go. I also wonder if 3D displays are still being manufactured? They could make a smalltime comeback just for waifu projection. I think streaming will taper after a while not because of AI but from simple mental saturation since everyone and their mother would be streaming/vtubing. Notice how Hololive EN, after the initial rush of rich simps donating, transitioned into membership / premium content. As time goes on viewer counts will decrease and the price of premium content will rise, until we have super personalized content. This is then no different to paying a girl to act like your girlfriend digitally. As the rabbit hole goes deeper and as virtual sex technology is perfected, this will open up the avenue of digital escort services. I'm sure AI will come in at some point to cover the most common scenarios, then a human will take over for the custom use case, just like in customer service where a chatbot forces you to go through FAQs until you request for a live agent. I agree that AI and other digital tech will make digital creation worth less. For example several years before Vroid studio came out, I commissioned a custom 3D model for Unreal Engine that cost $2000. Now I find the output of Vroid studio acceptable. And I'm also planning to use the AI colorizer to speed up my 2D workflow. The pandemic has made people prioritize local industries. I think small scale manufacturing using 3D printers will take off. It'll be a cloud based custom manufacturing instead of mass production halfway across the world. The biggest problem I have is that almost all the motors, servos, and custom printed circuit boards still come from China. When I was in high school I was able to buy my own hydrochloric acid to etch my own PCB, now I can't do much and that's one of the main obstacles in my making progress in my robotics projects... I can only solder so much with perfboards -- fixing bad solder joints takes up too much time when it should be spent on debugging the actual software. We need a third alternative to [super expensive robotics hardware] and [cheap crap from Aliexpress].
>>3119 I have an idea, but I can't put in funds because im in uni. What if we sold them as "maid robots" and leave some room inside for sexual organs and make them sexy af? One who needed a sexbot could buy a maid from this company and then install the vag made by a subsidiary of a secret holding of the two companies
>>5374 I think your thoughts circles to much around creating a startup and the notion that only companies with quite some capital could do something like that. Development is expensive, if done by well paid engineers living in places with high cost of living including taxes. If something is already developed by enthusiasts and not patented, it might be quite cheap to produce by a bunch of competing companies in poor countries. For security reasons und such the final assembly may be done by local companies or even tech clubs or enthusiasts on their own. So, you would mainly need to know how these parts work, what's important in terms of quality, and then building a small local business. Or maybe even only for something specialized, like the final painting process for the silicone skin.
>>5366 >The most popular requested reactions will become canned animations which will be added as a stock reaction for the waifu. Good idea.
>>5373 Yeah, the electronics part store here shut down years ago. I wanted to get into robotics last year but it was difficult to find affordable parts. I can't imagine what it's like now. I had two wait two weeks just to find a new power supply in stock. I wonder what would be a good way to make money with AR though. A lot of developers making apps with AI seem to go with a free-to-play approach. I'm imagining an AR waifu app where users can pay 99 cents for her to learn how to sing a new song, buy premium clothes, decorations for her room, etc. People would probably wanna mod it too. It could have a store where people can submit their own items to sell and the franchise owner gets a 30% profit. Non-intrusive advertisements could be displayed in the maps too. What other ways can we milk money out of AR?
>>5368 > Dennou Coil
>>5374 It'd be easier and more profitable to build a sexdoll and rent it out to friends of a friend.
>>5386 >and rent it out to friends of a friend. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE This is evil, and you know nothing of waifuism. GTFO.
>>5386 >>5391 Had the same idea. I wouldn't do that, and of course especially not with my waifu, but some guys which can't have one at home and only want to have something casual might rent a apartment and put a fembot there, and then have visiting and cleaning schedule. Maybe even run a little secret robo brothel, for a little extended group. As long as there are no laws against it, this might be a attractive idea for some groups of young men worldwide. Of course, I wouldn't risk my life opportunities in countries where they might charge someone getting caught doing that, and would have to register as offender, getting spanked or beheaded. Though, this might even help to keep young men in their poor and sexually conservative countries while also cutting down the birthrates there. While we're at it: Project Melody has never been mentioned. She's not really an AI, I think, but future versions could be. Even till then, building systems that can be run by human operators would be some interesting business and technically close to building such a system for one's waifu... Later switching step by step towards replacing the humans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projekt_Melody However, I think this whole topic might be outside of the scope of this board and be at odds with the values of the owner, so let's not elaborate on that more than necessary.
>>5383 Good ideas, the way I see it is a gradual increase in technological complexity and cost. A. Basic AR App (Android app and maybe Apple app and PC app) - similar to the current stock of poke-your-waifu apps, customize clothes, get extra expressions for a nominal fee. Generally family friendly. The free version will essentially be a fancy visual novel with prescripted scenarios. B. Advanced AR App (sideloaded Android apk or PC only) - this is when you make sure you filter for the diehard and block the normies who would think this as creepy. Have some rudimentary AI that makes interactions more uncanny, even flirtatious and sexual. This can be a paid app wherever adult video games are sold. Premium DLC can be prerecorded custom scenarios performed by a human -- when enough performances are recorded, this can be sold as an "ASMR pack" DLC etc. So A and B use the existing camera of the phone or webcam for rudimentary AR. Now this is where things get expensive... C. Live performances. This is for a price, the live human performer will do a custom performance via the app, just for the user. This is similar to the highest tiers on Patreon or Kickstarter. D. Physical version (super expensive tier). This is basically having a robot version, subject to the same performances as the AR version.
>>5399 Good insights Anon. Probably fairly accurate -- both in scope, and indirectly in timeline.
For anons with 3d printer and electronics it might be a good side business to build stuff for holidays and special occasions. For Halloween it might be a bit late, but there will be a 2021, I guess?!? https://youtu.be/Ey6nUZm5gYI Individual stuff around mobile phones for example seems also to be a good business, like charging adapter and such. Don't assume no one would buy stupid stuff and pay a lot, because you won't or can't.
>>5375 I think your thought circles too much around the notion that companies won't make patents and that the general public won't immediately reject the concept of a sexbot merely by media-centered nominalism/labelism. This is not about price: in fact, as I stated before, there would be a holding company overseering the company that makes the maid-bots and the vaginal insert, which has a covert function of coordinating the two from behind the scenes. This way, the company that makes the maidbots will be separate in name and legal documents from the other, except where it counts but that can be hidden with the right jurisdictions and laws. >>5386 This is about making sexbots aka robowaifus while making money on the way, not dolls.
>>5670 Lovedolls ("Sexdolls") are closely related, so it's not a far strech. The skills for designing and building one, or enhancing it, overlap in part with the other. There's a inventors thread in the Dollforum where they're partially ahead of us, with putting electronics inside, making whole bodies, maybe even putting some motors inside. They just go on calling them dolls, though in my opinion when they move or "think" they aren't dolls anymore.
>>5672 Then why even call them "dolls"? Dolls intrinsically have minimal control of their own movements (as in they don't), nor require any software for them to function. By this standard, dolls are just less capable and thus inferior to sexbots. What do they gain from such a reductive connotation? Also, I'm in /robowaifu/, not dollforum
>>5654 Before the lockdowns I was thinking about making battery powered arduino-controlled model trains. HO-scale with some self-assembly and painting required (like Japanese plastic model trains)... maybe use vacuum-forming for the bodies. Model railroading has been in decline because the trains and equipment have become so expensive only rich retirees with big houses can afford them. By using Arduino for the control mechanisms and making the trains somewhat robotic (have collision detection and onboard cameras), I can bypass the overpriced DCC equipment. Of course this business plan is contingent on model railroading -- and rail in general -- having a revival.
>>8269 >>8291 >>1642 I don't think selling kits will be a very good business model. There's a reason why Chinese companies are doing this for printers. One needs cheap logistics for example, and the margins will be rather low. The new busineses will rather be: - Shops which do the finishing of a fembot or build them out of parts which they might buy and build themselves all, for local customers. Especially the last paint jobs, nails, and such, making the skin look good by adding many thin layers. - Developing and building tools for such shops, or to replace them by selling more tools to enthusiasts and small clubs. Think of a box where a human-like bot can go in and get spray painted automatically, and slighly colored silicone skin would be added layer by layer. - Everything in the direction of Only-Fans, party support and pimping.
>>8301 I'm one of the ones you linked to. My goal personally isn't to maximize my profits, hardly even to optimize them. I'd give this stuff away for free in fact if I was Bill Gates rich. My choice for kits is simply b/c that seems to me to be the cheapest way for the typical Anon (or even the average normalcattle joesixpack) to get their own robowaifu. I'm sure there will be plenty of men step up to make money hand over fist in the robowaifu industries once they are establishing themselves well. Right now we are trailblazing a frontier, so the dynamics are rather different atm. We aren't even to the Ford Quadricyle >>7693 stage of robowaifu development yet IMO.
I think we shouldn't overlook the possibilities for pranking some victims customers along the way OP.
>>8779 >jk btw
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Hi /robowaifu/, I've stumbled here after doing some research into creating a robowaifu stock portfolio. My thinking was I am never going to be able to build a robowaifu from scratch but will buy one when they become available. I want to contribute somehow to their development so I am creating a stock portfolio where I buy only stocks that I believe are working towards robo waifus either literally or by just advancing the tech that would be needed. GPUs, Semiconductors, AI, VR, Robotics, Batterys, Silicon. My current portfolio: >NVDA - Nvidia - GPUs used in AI / Machine Learning >AMD >TSM - TSMC. The world's biggest and most advance semiconductor foundry. >INTC - Intel >ABB - ABB Ltd - Swedish-Swiss company in automation technology, robotics, heavy electrical equipment. >IRBT - iRobot - Home Robotics >MSFT - Microsoft - They are investing heavy into AI and have one of the largest AI chat bots "Xiaoice". >TER - Teradyne >IBM Other suggestions: >TSLA - Tesla - Humanoid robotics Then buying into the japanese stocks via ETFs such as BOTZ (Japanese heavy robotics, lower fees) and ROBO (more diverse, focusing more on automation tech). Individual stocks are better but I have to cope through ETFs to get exposure to japanese stocks such as YASKY ( Japanese manufacturer of servos, motion controllers, AC motor drives, switches and industrial robots). Also looking into Hyundai, Toyota, Honda for their robot developments. So my plan is to DCA (buy a tiny amount each day) into these types of stocks (I have already started) then once robo waifus are on the market to sell my stocks to purchase one with the idea of the stocks maintaining or going up in value before the first robo waifus hit the market. Hopefully by the time they are for sale my portfolio will allow me to afford one, my goal is $10k-$50k by 2035. Do you have suggestions on what stocks or companys I should be investing in? What companys will be making parts/batterys/semiconductors/ai that will be used in their eventual development? Thanks for your time. >=== -add 'other suggestions' section
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Don't have much to say on this topic. Just that we don't need to make everything about robowaifus, and I'm even not sure if this creates so much extra demand compared to other developments. I would rather go with >>1642 and >>3119 by trying to make some money with anything related to it, like eg AI. Could also be some automatic trading or analyzing historic data and how it influnced markets in the past. Or simply replacing OnlyFans and Project Melody with AI. However, I don't think about this much, I already got enough money to be independent, I need a robowaifu companion.
>>8841 This is a great thread idea OP. While it's possible there are wizards in the financials here (there certainly should be in the future!) I'm not one. So take everything I say here with a grain of salt. So, any American Big Tech is probably not a good bet at this stage IMO. The issue isn't primarily a technical, financial, or human risk one, but rather a (((social manipulation))) one. They are simply too heavily committed at this stage to the globohomo farce to ever back down on it now (short of a national collapse). The notion of creating anything that 'hurts the fee-fees' of stronk, independynts or sodomites is simply bad optics for them. Another important point here from their perspective (and what's the actual, fundamental issue for """TPTB""") is that a broad acceptance of robowaifus across the culture would mean an end to the status quo, simply by dint of women having to actually openly compete in the sexual marketplace. This would quickly lead to men everywhere questioning why women get such a free ride in the first place -- which would mean that women would have to then compete openly in every marketplace. This would mean an utter disaster for their globohomo program for the West, so don't expect there to be a unified, strong industrial push for robowaifus in the West anytime soon. However in the East, particularly East Asia (China, Japan, S. Korea) the idea of waifus -- even robowaifus -- is already pretty commonplace. And while the situation is steadily worsening there, as yet the insanity of feminism doesn't have such a lethal stranglehold on their cultures. So, there's some hope in these East Asian economies for a Robowaifu-focused portfolio to do quite well. The heavy industry manufacturers as you indicated have already started to make moves in this area. And as we can see here on /robowaifu/, the Japanese robowaifu hobbyist field is beginning to explode now as well (eg, >>8801 and following). This trend is highly likely to continue there. You certainly can expect the anthropomorphic robotics field to show dramatic, global growth over the next 10-15 years for the vertical areas related to elderly nursing and home-healthcare. In fact, if any cracks are eventually to come in the West's feminist hegemony, it will probably be by way of normalcattle men putting cute outfits/skirts & wigs on their nurse-meido bots. After a few years of the (((media))) screeching 'Old men are insane degenerates!111' then normal, White businessmen themselves will start to wake up to the lucrative potential for robowaifus in a broader context as well. That's when things here may change noticeably for the better. Good luck with your project plans OP.
>>8852 >short of a national collapse We are already basically in a national collapse in the U.K. - massive debt levels, completely hollowed-out economy, over 18% unemployment rate for young adults (and that's using the government's doctored figures that count zero-hours contracts and 12 hour weeks as full employment). We also performed terribly in the pandemic, despite the frantic propaganda our media is pushing. But robots perform very well in apocalyptic situations due to their very sparse needs and lack of any fear or irrational emotions. So a robowaifu is the ideal waifu to have by your side for the apocalypse!
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>>8854 >Robowaifu in a doomsday scenario Yeah, I thought about that as well. When this wrong alarm in Hawaii happened, when they thought a nuke would hit them, I realized that living in a bunker with a robowaifu for a while might not only be more pleasant but would also require much fewer resources, compared to living with a human female. Before I got aware of the idea that we could build robowaifus on our own, I already had picked up the idea of sending humanoid robots to other planets, with frozen human embryos, so the could raise the humans there. I thought this would be the most likely way to do it. For similar reasons, they won't need much resources and can "sleep" for quite some time.
>>8866 >wrong alarm in Hawaii happened, when they thought a nuke would hit them Haha wow, I didn't know about that one. >"Hurr Durr, wonder what this button does?" <*push* www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42680070
>Telexistence Something like this might also be relevant, until AI gets better: https://youtu.be/UxWH5XAcFnM https://youtu.be/9yFl83L3d8U https://youtu.be/Q037qy7Ydc8 Remote controlled humanoid robots e.g. for stacking shelfs in supermarket, when there's a problem with a disease going around or if there's a lack of enough workers.
>>8890 True. We have a few posts here on this topic. Here's one: >>1993
>>8866 >I realized that living in a bunker with a robowaifu for a while might not only be more pleasant but would also require much fewer resources /monster/ crossboard-lurker here. Thanks for the idea, I'm writing that.
>>1881 >>3127 I am not sure what posts are from the archive or not, but making "GACHA" with some sort of robowaifu storyline might be the way to do it. I am not sure how we could opensource it, or make it where all profits go to a very specific fund for R&D of robowaifus.
>>8942 That's not a bad idea. Not sure what the 'archive' question is about. At least a couple of us make regular backups of /robowaifu/ here, and there were some from 8ch days made. As far as opensource goes, well, everyone would just license everything as BSD or MIT and then just make it openly available. That's all there is to it. I think we've had a bit of conversation about how to manage profits to pour them back into R&D, production, and distribution/marketing, etc. In the end I think it always comes back to having to trusting specific individuals (or individual). There's no simple way to operate something like that anonymously either. Big Tech Gov doesn't want that being a thing. >tl;dr Just like make robowaifu game Anon. The rest will probably work out.
>>8943 I can't pretend to know all of what entails making an opensource, GACHA where we could send profits equally. Like you wrote, I assume there would have to be some sort of controlling body, or some sort of "owner". What I am really saying, is I don't know of anything to go off of that has done something similar successfully. A story, using a mixture of ancient stories of men trying to create their perfect woman, and some of the other ancient stories that say current women are actually a creation from an advance race that were accidentally given free will with disastrous effects... The game, I don't think the story I am thinking of would work if I released it in the USA, because I am not sure to what length some will go to shut it down... Maybe I'll write up the story, and setup the initial backend of a simple GACHA game engine and pitch it to you anons later on this summer. I really rather not set up a major company, unless somehow I could contract some of you anons out to build this thing, and then I use the profits to fund goals that will eventually lead to a "Icarus tier" petbot.
>>8944 >I don't know of anything to go off of that has done something similar successfully Heh, well we haven't let that stop us here before. Trailblazing new frontiers is always notoriously difficult Anon. Generally speaking, only the strong survive intact through it all. So go for it and see what comes out! >Maybe I'll write up the story, Please do. Anon. >that will eventually lead to a "Icarus tier" petbot Sounds interesting. Mind telling us more about that?
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>>8945 It's from "Sora No Otoshimono". Icarus, was basically a robot that was made by "Angels" and was considered a "pet-class-angeloid" (for Pleasure). She also doubles as a guard...(The backstory is that these angels/advanced-race that have lived for eons made the literal perfect robowaifu) My point though, was under the fantasy that I can successfully get the funds, and use the funds in the right way, we make a waifubot that is better than the "real" thing. >A bot that can love, >A bot that can feel, >A bot that doesn't tire, doesn't sleep, always ready to protect their master. Other than that, making the gacha game's basic game engine and getting it released should be the easy part. I am not entirely sure how hard or expensive it is to get a good artist. If the art isn't good, the game's profits won't be there. Plus, unless I figure out some sort of crazy good game on mobile, without the art it will be nothing. Genshin Impact, while I don't really care for the exact play-style, I think an RPG using multiple characters could work. Something where the players build bots, and "leveling up" will be when certain bots reaches new levels of intelligence/sentience (like level 1 the bot can only chat at a low level, and level 2 the bot can move, and like level 100 the bot can pass as a literal person). Gear would just be whatever upgrades for the bots. If the combat is reliant on a story, it might turn into a "Gender War" type thing. Of which I would be okay with, but it seems there are a lot of botbros who overly passive that might not like the potential of it being a big blip on {{{their}}} radar. Plus it seems some of the "women awareness" threads have been locked, so the story might be hard to figure out if I am restricted by certain rules due to the community. I've been looking into it tonight, it's bothersome as it seems if it does become a fairly big hit, lawyers will be needed. I never really understood why these big game companies paid their lawyers more than their software engineers, but I guess it's because it's so easy to harass a company that it becomes necessary. The game engine could probably be shit though, it's going to come down to the art. The art alone would be the biggest incentive to spend/fund the game.
>>8942 >A Non-Fungible Token (NFT) is a digital file whose unique identity and ownership are verified on a blockchain (a digital ledger).[1][2] NFTs are not mutually interchangeable (see fungibility). An NFT is created by uploading another file, such as a digital artwork, to an auction market. This creates a copy of the file, which is recorded as an NFT on the digital ledger. The token can then be bought with cryptocurrency and resold. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fungible_token
>>8952 >In early 2021, a German conceptual artist auctioned a single transparent pixel for 1 Ether, thereby emitting 125 kg of CO2. Top kek.
>>8902 Please greentext it here when you do, neighbor! >>29
>>8946 Thanks for the explanation about Icarus, I had forgotten about that. You know, zzzchan/v/ has an active AGDG thread going. Maybe you can bounce around your game ideas with them Anon? Good luck with it.
So what's your thinking on all this OP? You still around?
I may be biased but the best way to invest in robowaifus is to invest in your local robotic company or electrical shop.
>>9191 >invest in your local robotic company That would be pretty cool. Maybe not too many around atm, but that could change with the advent of the Robowaifu Age.
>>9192 I am disappointed in the cultural trends being so bullshit. Like everyone is like "bro lets be fuckboys on tiktok" when you could be controlling an RC car or have battle bots. Like I am dead ass thinking if someone started publicly challenging people to RC races and amateur battle bots then there would be more people into the sports and that would bring them to us. Maybe because I have a local RC track that is shabby but has lasted for more then I have been alive. I enjoy RC racing and I think if it was more in the spot light there would be more mod shops. And mod shops means avenues we can sell kits To and have people mod our robowaifu kits.
>>9244 True enough. I think there will be ample investment/development opportunities for entrepreneurs everywhere once robowaifus society takes hold. The (((Globohomo))) is dead-set against allowing the little guy to get ahead, so don't expect this to be smooth sailing. But in the end, this will happen regardless. The only question for Anons is will the waifus be free & open, or will they be Big Tech/Gov spys and tools. We need to work hard now if we want to see the former case. BTW, I think it's really cool you're into RC Anon. That's plainly right in line with /robowaifu/, so glad you're with us here.
>>9244 I agree with you, I feel disappointed with the trend. I've seen 2 of the RC courses near me close around 2016-2018. Same for a lot of hobby shops. I don't think that its because there no interest for this stuff. A new season of battle bots aired recently and received good reviews. I think its just the difficulty in getting into said hobbies along with the simplification of technology causing these problems. Looking at technology progressing, we can see that menus are getting a lot more simple, its all one click to do this, and customization is becoming much less frequent. This causes the next generation of people who use it to not develop the skills or the interest in this. Pair that with the expensive cost of getting into robotics and we get our problem
>>9245 Sadly, I don't see them being free and open, People will gravitate to the most likely easier to use large corporation version just because it will have more support. Optimistically, I see big corporations selling them as kits similar to raspberry pi kits where you buy the electronics from a big corporation already pre-designed and you get the AI from open source platform. Worst case scenario, you buy the robot at an astoundingly high price and you will need a subscription to interact with the bot, which will be really disappointing.
>>9361 Actually, the optimistic case is the exact one /robowaifu/ is already striving towards Anon. To wit: >"We are technologists, dreamers, hobbyists, geeks and robots looking forward to a day when any man can build the ideal companion he desires in his own home. However, not content to wait for the future; we are bringing that day forward. We are creating an active hobbyist scene of builders, programmers, artists, designers, and writers using the technology of today, not tomorrow. Join us!' >>3 Freely open-source models & software, combining readily available, commodity hardware and materials, artistically fashioned with love by caring masters into effectively far superior replacements for the average female today (not too hard a task, actually hehe) is the optimistic outcome. However, according to the (((globohomo's))) plots & schemes plans, they have your 'worst-case' scenario as their fundamental baseline in store for men. Let's instead just not have that evil outcome at all, shall we?
>>9361 I have a plan to build an open-source library for conversational user interfaces and virtual agents. Once people see the value of virtual agents they'll support such projects and other developers will contribute. We'll be able to create chat support agents that can help people use our libraries and route people to a dev whenever they can't solve an issue. Also, sometime in the next 2-5 years we'll be able to generate tutorials and videos which will help spread our open-source projects and compete with Big Tech, at least in software. Ideally people will sell robowaifu kits and fully-built robowaifus that come preloaded with this software as it becomes cheaper to mass produce parts. If we try to compete with old methods or current methods for that matter though, then yeah, we'll be lost in the dust of AI's exponential advancement, paying $9.99/mo for some baseline AI + $19.99/mo for each additional feature because GNU/Waifu turned out like GIMP instead of Krita. It's up to us to make our dreams a reality.
>>9393 Not him, but you are right on track Anon. Godspeed with your project ideas. Work hard to seem them through! :^) >because GNU/Waifu turned out like GIMP instead of Krita. LOL >It's up to us to make our dreams a reality. This. 9'001 times, This.
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>>9360 Fellow RC anon, I think the RC hobby has revived this past year because of the pandemic. Granted some people say that RTR (Ready to Run) is the major trend in RC, but there are still a few scale modellers and kitbuilders. I myself have built 3 new chassis so far when my previous RC experience was mall-bought toy grade cars in my childhood. So hobby grade is new to me and I am enjoying even just bashing since each run feels like prepping for a real race. In addition, due to my experience with arduino, I am able to place not just fully functional lights, but speedometers and Wifi FPV (which unfortunately still is very slow compared to 5.8Ghz FPV). I'm not into drones since I come from a scale modelling background and drones look like toys, but I can apply drone technologies onto these newfound landrobots. Maybe one day I'll invest in a proper headset for FPV use. I'm also studying AI with Jetson Nano and I plan to make a self-driving RC car once I commit to destroying one of my chassis to place the additional hardware. I also plan to have a Youtube presence once my craftmanship is up to par with the master scale modellers and amateur arduino teachers currently out there. This will be my approach as I segue into introducing robowaifu style landrobots. I'm thinking of starting with a OriHime like wheeled torso robot that will read taped lines on the floor. I need a workspace, especially at minimum a 100 square meter space with dark epoxy floor which I can tape with white line markers so I can do proper robot training (at first for them to follow the lines, then I can make roads or mazes or even encode instructions into the lines themselves and it'll look like that robot cafe in Japan) That is the biggest long term hurdle for me right now, since buying arduinos, ESP32s and Jetson Nanos and 3d printing plastic is easy and cheap. I think for most people, if they are a maker type of person they would have built arduino or 3d printed projects already. But we only see these robot competitions in university settings since you need not just the large flat hallways for the robots to drive around in unimpeded, but you need machined metal parts so ready access to a machine shop is a given for the bigger robots. With 3D printing you are limited to "toy grade" robots. One thing I noticed is that robot kits are less value for money compared to RC chassis kits, that's why for robot projects its better to just source your components and 3d print the chassis pieces yourself. Maybe once more robots start having better motors and suspension systems, we can convince some of the aftermarket RC suppliers to supply robot parts as well.
>>9415 >Maybe once more robots start having better motors and suspension systems, we can convince some of the aftermarket RC suppliers to supply robot parts as well. This. Not him Anon, but I'm very interested in your plans. I hope you will create a project thread here on /robowaifu/ as you get things going. Don't wait until everything's 'perfect' before doing so please! We (as men with much less experience than yourself) all need to see the process growing from scratch. >OriHime Just curious do you mean the trope itself, or the Bleach character?
>>9415 Related waifusearch, Anon >>7983
>>9389 I should have worded myself better, I meant the best case scenario for corporate robo-waifus.
>>9393 I agree, its up to us. We have to have this ready way before the corporations!
>>9415 I think RTR is great, especially for getting new people into the hobby. I still have my Traxxas Stampede. Not too long ago, maybe 4 or 5 months ago, I started modifying it. I have a whole bunch of Lego Mindstorms and I 3d printed custom mounts for the components. I made it "self" driving where it would just drive straight and avoid walls. I want to to move over to using a raspberry pi but I haven't found the time for that yet. The experience with the Legos were really fun and I think you will enjoy making your RC self driving once you do it. good luck on your YouTube channel! ;)
>>9421 Well, there's Corporate and then there's corporate Anon. :^) I'm hopeful that with our BSD or MIT licensing model here for our work on /robowaifu/ that any Anons anywhere in the world can take our ideas and run with it. That will both help strengthen the cause of men everywhere, and also weaken the Big Tech/Gov stranglehold over all of us. Who knows? Maybe we can even have a corporate federated group of us from here get together into robowaifu-based business of our own someday! Thanks for clarifying that for us, BTW.
>>9426 I'd love to see that happen, a group of us leading the way. It also doesn't have to stop at robo-waifus, robo-husbandos and robo-pals too.
>>9428 >robo-husbandos and robo-pals too. Robo-husbandos is definitely off-topic across the entire board Anon. Sorry.
>>9416 Thanks. I actually posted a lot back in the 8chan days before I knew what I was doing. Now that I do know a bit, I hesitate since im not contributing anything new. Orihime is an actual commercial robot in Japan. >>9423 RTR waifubots is an endgoal, its just that kits are more appealing from a manufacturers perspective since there is no comprehensive support since you can just blame the customer for messing up the build. That said, there needs to be a Tamiya TT02 of waifu chassis kit... cheap to produce, easy for beginners, and tons of aftermarket hop ups. For example, Dancing Otto and Arduino Quadruped Spider are two common open souce chassis types with various kits based off them.
>>9431 >Orihime is an actual commercial robot in Japan. I see, thanks for clearing that up. >RTR Just curious, does that mean 'Ready-to-Run' or something? Welcome back Anon, BTW.
>>9415 >enjoying races If I would pick this area as a hobby my challenges would be: - Building my own versions of Roombas - Building autonomous cars which can drive through town at night, avoiding humans and cars, hidding under parked cars or race away if necessary. - Making a delivery bot out of that. - Maybe building ones which do something in the garden. - Also ones which can play with pets (it's a product already) >then I can make roads or mazes Maybe consider training it on vido from your cars driving (outside). I recall people training a system by driving around on bikes with cameras, while following the trafic rules, then using this as data. >robot kits are less value for money compared to RC chassis kits Thanks, good to know.
>>9433 >- Building autonomous cars which can drive through town at night, avoiding humans and cars, hidding under parked cars or race away if necessary. That's pretty interesting actually. You could even build swarms of these things that could carry 4 or 5 pounds each, and run/hide with the stealth and instincts of small animals.
>>9431 One thing is an RC because it doesn't not have a microphone or connect to the internet. I wouldn't trust a RTR, at least on the AI side of the robo-waifu. It would be worse than having an Alexa and Google Home combined for privacy. Unless, the RTR is just for the hardware and you put your own software.
>>9450 > It would be worse than having an Alexa and Google Home combined for privacy. I think that's literally impossible. I don't care how big slimeball, dirty globohomo snakes the manufacturers are, they simply can't be worse than those two exceptionally prime examples of Big Tech/Gov . And taken together? Lol, no. We are off-topic ITT anons, lets move it into meta or one of the engineering threads that would benefit from it.
>>5763 RC racing is coming back too, most unconventional sports are bring brought back with covid. It woukd be a good idea to bring RC racing or some type of battle bots so more people get intrested in machines and subsequently robowaifus. Business wise you just need land for a track and materials for battle bots. You could have a derby like event so you could have pits of racing and smashing cars.
I think the RC is a good idea. Because if we want more people in the cause or at least help bridge our ways to robowaifus. >>546 Has the best idea on how we can bring people to robots and robowaifus. But that might be off topic.
>>5684 That was exactly my point in >5672, but since they're starting with dolls and then animate them, it's the question when to start calling them lovebots or robowaifus. A lot of people also seem to have the need for having two distinct names for hard-shelled robots and soft-shelled (doll-like) ones.
>>9529 >But that might be off topic. I suppose it's only fair to everyone that this question should be clarified in detail. Since you've brought the topic up and I'm motivated enough to, here seems as good a spot as any (we're generally already well off-topic ITT regardless). -The subject of a thread is the first step in evaluating that Anon. In this specific example that would be: How to invest in Robo Waifus? -The second step to answering that question is the content of the OP. If it's a quality OP, then the subject will be properly expanded upon to help everyone else understand OP's intents better. Again, in this specific example, it's apparent the OP is interested only in stocks and the financials markets. Any secondary considerations thereto appear only, well, secondary to him. The quality of a thread's OP is certainly not a given. Some are better, some are worse. Often, the quality of an OP is directly proportional to the word-count of the OP text itself, the longer the better. -The third step requires more effort on an anon's part to decide; namely, actually reading the thread itself. By following the flavor of all the other -- at least tangentially on-topic -- posts in a given thread, one can often discern properly where the general consensus is going, and if any given following post would therefore be along that trend or not. >--- So, following this pattern in evaluating the on-topic context of your post: 1. Doesn't seem really concerned with 'Investing in Robowaifus' (actually, the stock market). A No. 2. See above, since OP's idea of investing was strictly about the markets. Again, a No. 3. Well, the thread itself was quickly derailed into ongoing discussions about RC'ing as a fun hobby, and being a field that has at least a tangential relationship to creating robowaifus. The investment aspect was plainly only a secondary consideration, if at all, in these numerous posts. The thread itself is therefore only a somewhat watered-down, off-topic thread at this stage. A Maybe. So, the score is: -No, not in line with thread subject. -No, not in line with OP text. -Maybe, pretty in line with the already-corrupted thread. Hope that helps clear the process up Anon. >--- As far as my own personal evaluation of this thread goes; I'd say it's quite apparent that an Anon who knows exactly what he's talking about in the RC world should create a new thread here on /robowaifu/, one that touches on the crossover of that field as it relates to anons creating their own robowaifus (the overarching, fundamental topic across the whole board). IMO RC'ing is clearly a good, on-topic subject for /robowaifu/, and one often brought up here. But so far, apparently, I'm in the minority considering it a good-enough thread subject. I myself don't qualify to start one on it. Additionally, that this OP himself should have been aware that 'investing in robowaifus' is a topic that extends well beyond just moving your monopoly, fiat money around in the markets. If he had adjusted the OP accordingly, then we might have easily had a thread where both the RC field and any of dozens of other fields would have been on-topic. As it is, this is a diluted thread now IMO, and basically not super useful in the board's catalog. Thankfully, we have waifusearch so a vague memory of something about RCs, etc, a year from now that some anon is trying to bring back up can potentially still be located then. Certainly, checking the catalog and seeing "How to invest in Robo Waifus?", and a cute but entirely-unrelated OP image won't be of much help to anyone in that scenario. In an only secondary evaluation aspect of this (or any other) thread, I might add that an OP should be involved. Just common sense, actually. Up till now, this thread's OP himself apparently CBA to even revisit his own thread. This is definitely shilly, goony, glow-niggery behavior, and not actually welcome anywhere outside of a /b/. If he re-appears and takes the reigns of his own thread once again, then I will respectfully withdraw my specific complaint against him in this. Regardless, the point itself still stands. I may try to turn this post into some kind of static advice page in the future.
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Here's an article on BOTZ and ROBO ETFs. I didn't read it completely, I could imagine to be interested later, I do not recommend anything, but especially not to invest all of one's money into something for the reason of being enthusiastic about it. On the other hand, following news on some topic and being interested might help to judge the outlook of some industry better. https://www.thestreet.com/etffocus/.amp/trade-ideas/botz-robo-best-robotics-artificial-intelligence-etf-2021
>>10269 >On the other hand, following news on some topic and being interested might help to judge the outlook of some industry better. If the goal is basically just to acquire wealth in a kind of 'everyman' way, then I'd suggest ignoring robowaifus entirely, and simply 'riding the curve' of daytrading. Our friend Gunship over on /f/ discussed this topic in general. Personally I see our calling as much higher than simply cashing in on the market...
>>10271 I'm into Crypto, profiting from the new financial system. I agree to not get caught up on one topic like robowaifus. In every case, as someone who wants to do something else it's best to speculate long term, not doing daytrading, may it be Crypto, S&P or themed ETF like the mentioned ones. Whatever, I posted the link from >>10269 here because we already have a thread for it.
>conceivably related crosspost >>10892
Lurker here. This seems to me like one of the more important and overlooked subjects on the board, particularly for those of us less technically inclined, as realistically, progress in the development of advanced androids and their components is primarily going to be brought about through corporations and startups developing the tech we need that can then be re-engineered and made open source. Finding ways to facilitate this feels like the quickest path towards the stated goal of the board to me and probably should encompass a larger focus than it currently does where we don't seem to have much of a clear idea as to which companies we should be supporting. I suppose it is possible to invest in robotics/AI in general through ETFs but isolating which areas of the sector are most crucial at the moment should be the priority first and then understanding the best way of supporting them, be it through stocks or whatever else.
>>11034 Welcome Anon, thanks for taking the time to post. I'm sure your sentiment is a correct one. Personally, I'm simply less interested in money itself (and therefore finance) than I am in the technology and social aspect of creating/having a robowaifu. But you're obviously correct. >but isolating which areas of the sector are most crucial at the moment should be the priority first I'd suggest that rare earth motors that offer lighter weight and higher power is probably a very vital sector. The struts, frames, connectors, etc. hardware, can be made from lots of different low-cost & lightweight materials Anon. But the actual motors behind the actuators? Not so much. AI is obviously another critical area, but you hardly need to follow along with /robowaifu/ to get plenty of information on that. I'd suggest the autonomous driving sector offers many corresponding requirements with our own here (>>112).
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How tall should mass-produced robot waifus be? It doesn't really matter if it were just a fleshlight, but to do basic household chores with regular human body proportions and bipedal movement, the smaller the body gets the harder it'll be to get it to do things like reaching shelves without help, but people are generally less intimidated by smaller, weaker, childlike robots. The primary demographic for them is probably going to be manlets since they have a harder time getting laid, and robot wives that tower over them is a niche demographic, but so are robots that resemble actual children or dwarves, which is a matter of body proportions. There's also the cost benefit of having a smaller, lighter robot. According to wikipedia an adult height under 4'10" is considered dwarfism. I would say somewhere between that and 5'5", but average male height in Japan is listed as 5'7" and average female height is 5'2", just shy of the shortest male height listed on Wikipedia. Japan seem like a target demographic too big to ignore, including their own manlets. From 4'10" and 5'2" is 5" which is a significant difference. Would it be best to just make them 5'0" or what?
>>13153 You just missed a board-conversation that touched on this very topic Anon. (>>13018, ...)
>>13159 Dang.
>>13159 On second thought, what I was posting was really meant to be more of a marketing question. Like, what height waifubot would appeal to the target audience the most? I saw "Market Research" in the OP and assumed that it'd be an appropriate question for this thread. By the sound of it a lot of us are either cheap or poor too, which makes sense since spending money on real women seem like a bigger waste of money than trying to build a woman.
>>13179 Simple answer: No standard type. No real mass production. Or if they are mass produced, or parts are, it's only about steps, not one size. So the question is only which size of steps: 5 cm? 10 cm? 15 cm?
>>13184 According to the Square-Cube ratio, every fixed increment of 1x size, with affect the system overall, on average, 1.5x , with added mass, difficulty in engineering, cost, etc. From a production complexity perspective, smaller is generally always better. This is one of the reasons why toy manufacturers have a much easier time of it than real-world manufacturers do, even when they have similar design paradigms between them.
>>13198 Your autistic fetish wasn't the topic here. Smaller isn't always better, let alone for fitting in more functions. There are other factors than mass. People will need to be able to select what they want.
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>>13184 >Simple answer: No standard type. No real mass production. But why? I'm not talking about one specific detailed model that everyone would buy, I'm thinking more along the lines of a template that would be easy to customize the appearance of, but the size and proportions of something is literally the hardest part of that. Even if it were sold as separate parts like some build-a-waifu kit, there's an issue of compatibility once things have different proportions. I had a really long-winded explanation, but more simply speaking, if the skeleton of a robot were like pipes, changing the length of a pipe is one thing, but if you try to swap-out for a pipe of a different thicknesses then you end up complicating it a lot. When you have significant differences in height, you necessitate significant differences in thickness, otherwise you end up with things like weirdly big or small heads and hands, or parts that just don't align right. It's easier to make a wide variety of face parts that can be mixed and matched to make a custom face, if the head is a single standard size. The more custom parts need to be made, the more expensive everything gets.
>>13234 >sold as separate parts like some build-a-waifu kit That's actually very fundamental to the goals here on /robowaifu/ and always has been. Therefore I consider your point about standardized connectors & interfaces, etc., to be a very important one Anon.
>>14630 >you WILL become globohomo regardless of your weeb shit rn I disagree with everything except this, robots will become globohomo because there is a lot o groups developing, its not a matter of time anymore, but of what niche you want to fufill in this new industry. Fortunately, here on robowaifu we are aiming to make a diy open-source robowaifu, not the most profitable idea for big tech.
>>14632 >>14630 > Fortunately, here on robowaifu we are aiming to make a diy open-source robowaifu, That's entirely by design ofc, and in large part specifically to deal with the issues you Anons bring up.
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When we sell robowaifu kits, we will need a normie friendly name. I think "Autodoll", "Meidocom", and "Maidcom" are all good ideas.
on topic of crypto currency, singularitynet might be a good platform to earn from distributing artificial intelligence (which could include waifu ai). this project is backed by goertzel who is huge in the world of agi link to learn more: https://publisher.singularitynet.io/
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£150 bags will now buy you a 'robotic kitchen'. Considering the complexity and difficulty of building and programming a machine such as this, I consider that a very fair price. Hopefully this catches on with rich folks/large businesses. Unsure how well it will do though. Robotics seems to stay very niche even when it is technically possible and commercially available. My gut feeling is that robots such as this won't make the big-time unless you can make them cheaper than the quasi-slave labour most teens/young adults are subjected to. When you can pay illegal immigrants to work a 60 hour week earning below minimum wage and report them if they complain, robots just can't compete! (Which is just another reason why uncontrolled mass immigration is so popular with big business!) But hey, just in case the neo-slave trade ever gets banned, I will link this here; https://moley.com/
>>14721 Yes, I agree that incremental advances of robotics into the average Western home like this--first for the wealthy, then for the rest of us--is part of the progression that leads to the eventual widespread acceptance of robowaifu catgrillmeidos in the home. Much to the chagrin of stronk, independynt screeching harpies and their simps ofc! :^)
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How would the robowaifu market theoretically function? Top of the line models would be very expensive, but the target demographic is poor with little income flow. It would be a hard and gradual process to replace supermodels that the wealthy have with robot wives, and a vast amount of anime supporters with wealth or status are seeking a conventional tradwife. Essentially, it’s a very high value commodity without a niche, so it would be hard for it to garner success as a product, and the intended audience would never receive their robowaifus. The robowaifu concept is excellent theoretically, but has no real avenue to thrive in practice. How could these issues be resolved? --- Threads related: >(Making money with AI and robowaifus, >>1642) >(Early Business Ideas, >>3119) >=== -add thread crosslinks
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>>18572 Simple. Start smol, grow big. Same as the great Henry Ford and a zillion other entrepreneurs have. Our choice for a DIY ethos -- while driven by simple necessity -- is no accident. Its only through the efforts of thousands and thousands of garage amateurs that we can ever hope to keep the Globohomo from lumbering in and cornering this (absolutely gigantic potential) market, then sending in their thugs to punish anyone who would dare create their own robowaifu, unencubered by their BigBrother'OVision(tm) and all the evils thereto. And we are also in a race against time to manage that, OP. Welcome, Chuck. >=== -minor prose edit -add greeting
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>>18573 >thousands of garage amateurs that we can ever hope to keep the Globohomo from lumbering in and cornering this agreed. but also - once humanoid robotics explodes, what is to stop anyone from reoutfitting or reverse engineering just about any humanoid android into a waifu? Curious if you or anyone can brainstorm any scenarios that would prevent this. Like a power supply lockout or some way the personality is hardwired to the hardware? I can't see it, in any case as long as we have access to AGI, hardware is a nonissue. The only final exception I can see is if humanoid robotics becomes so hyper specialized that any servos or power supplies that just "work" will be proprietary af, some chip locking you out and everything sealed up like Apple does. Nothing but the limb parts that attach to each other via proprietary locking mechanics. Ok I just went down a very dystopian rabbit hole. To counter argue that: I think there are several intermediate steps along the way we could catch before they actually software-lock the actual hardware. Let's keep that in mind though!
>>18574 >what is to stop anyone from reoutfitting or reverse engineering just about any humanoid android into a waifu? Nothing that I can forsee. As long as the base systems are open-sauce, >any scenarios that would prevent this. and some kind of Filthy Commie-like approach to the hardware (such as Apple's, et al) isn't in place, it should be reasonably straightforward AFAICT, Meta Ronin. >...Ok I just went down a very dystopian rabbit hole. Heh, I would actually call it the "Globohomo Big-Tech/Gov" rabbit hole, and it's far deeper, uglier, and darker than any of us here can possibly imagine. This is why we have to 'beat them to the punch' so to speak. :^) A) We will make the software entirely open-sauce. B) We will make all the hardware plans, blueprints, etc., entirely open sauce (and as many items with multiple vendors, etc, as possible). C) We will encourage the spread of all this information far & wide, 'to the ends of the earth'. Not much else I can see we could do to further our cause here, nor do I think it needs much more either. Gararge enthusiasts, and the next Henry Fords, Orville & Wilbur Wrights, et al will take it from there (including ourselves ofc :^)
>>18572 > How would the robowaifu market theoretically function? My personal take: - I'm building her for myself, everything else is just audience for motivation. Political and social goals are secondary but still somewhat relevant. I'm not here to make money, especially not big time. If anything, then from skills I acquire and could use them somewhere else. - There will be many different models from cheap to expensive. Or rather somewhat like frameworks to create a somewhat tailor made solution. - Local groups and circles should help each other out in building their robowaifus, especially at the beginning. It's not primarily a business. - When it picks up popularity, then local companies should do the finishing work of painting and such, I guess. Parts will be 3D printed locally at the beginning or later mass produced, and at some point complex parts will come pre-assembled. Computers should be installed by the owner, and ideally be bought without disclosing the use case. > Top of the line models would be very expensive, Depends. Compared to what? Even 10-15k would be like a cheap new car. Compared to marriage and divorce it's still cheap. Compared to buying a representative car, living in an urban area, and spending money on dates, it would also be at least competitive, but certainly cheaper in the long run. >but the target demographic is poor with little income flow. The target demographic ranges from poor to financially independent and from consoomers to tech savvy makers. I don't know where you get the idea that we would all be poor. If anything then frugal. > It would be a hard and gradual process to replace supermodels that the wealthy have with robot wives, and a vast amount of anime supporters with wealth or status are seeking a conventional tradwife. A lot of questionable assumptions. GNU+Linux has 1.5 percent market share on the desktop, these are still tens of millions of people. There are billions of men out there. At least some hundred millions with some money to spend. We build it and they will come. > Essentially, it’s a very high value commodity without a niche, so it would be hard for it to garner success as a product, Are you trying to demoralize us? The price ranges from close to nothing to maybe some ten thousands, but rather 10-15k, with some unique ultra luxury special models above maybe. Guys with barely any money can go for the virtual waifus, the AI might be partially the same. Of course, some PC for 1k might be necessary. This will be mainly a security trade-off. > and the intended audience would never receive their robowaifus. How do you know who they are? Why would they all be poor? Including all the men with savings which are living alone? Guys with some money and skills or willing to learn how to build them will be the first target group. Then more and more specialized parts can get mass produced. >The robowaifu concept is excellent theoretically, but has no real avenue to thrive in practice. How could these issues be resolved? These issues don't exist, you constructed them. By using "top of the line models" and assumptions on how poor the target audience is. We will simply develop something and then it will get picked up at some point.
>>18576 >We build it and they will come. This.
>>18576 >Are you trying to demoralize us? My intentions were not to demoralize anyone. I think that if you have a solid plan in mind that you adhere to, things will all work out. Besides, I think it’s a noble endeavor regardless. If you think that your product will succeed you may be correct. I’m sure that if robowaifus were created and distributed at a mass level, they would see a fairly high degree of success. However, I am skeptical towards the widespread integration and acceptance of robot wives within society, I can’t see that being an overnight process and I’m sure that it would take time for them to receive the same public impressions as human women. Also, I think you’re failing to recognize the extreme, universal draw robowaifus have towards poorer individuals. A caregiving robot wife would be every NEET’s wet dream (hell, it’s mine too) and most would be unable to obtain it. I think that this disparity would sink these young men into even deeper depression, which isn’t something under your control but it would be unfortunate side effect. You could argue that it would incentivize hard work/saving, but most of them wouldn’t go through the effort. All of this is to say that I think the audience most desperate for the product, which makes up a larger portion than you may realize (these are men without regards for most social norms who would be ready to embrace something their families/friends would not, which is not something working/upper class men would do, even subconsciously) would be situationally barred from purchase. Therefore, while I do think that the robowaifu project is amazing and I applaud your efforts, I think that it conceptually excludes a class of men who would be the first step towards the introduction of this product on a mass scale which it may not reach otherwise, and that is something to consider. I realize that robowaifus could be ideal as an individualized product, as you intend for yours, but they could be so much more, and there are steps we could take to make that happen.
>>18578 >and there are steps we could take to make that happen. Fire away we're all ears Anon. As to your point about poor Anons being the demographic most-benefited, all OG Anons here are well-aware. It's why we haver personal project threads. It's also why Anons such as myself are targeting manufacturing approaches for the robowaifu bodies that should be under US$500. After everything else needed is assembled, the target price should be around US$2'500. Even poor men can earn that in a year, easily. Just saving NEET bux or gibbs stamps would do it. And particularly once the idea is widespread with literally hundreds of working examples known around the world, all men, including the poor ones, will become motivated to own one. Anons first and foremost among these.
>>18579 >Fire away we're all ears Anon Again, your plan could definitely work in due time, and I have no doubt it would be ultimately successful. However, I think it could be expedited via the supplying of robowaifus to less socially constrained individuals on the proviso that they integrate them into their public personas and their lives, a measure I feel would convince more men of all walks of life to make the shift at a much faster rate due to shock and juxtaposition with their own relationships. I doubt that there are any sort of grants in this regard, but there must be some way to fund an effort like this. This is solely speculation, but I imagine that if the robowaifu product is left on a path of slower development like the one you envision, there is a higher chance of it being enveloped by a conglomerate that commercializes and monopolizes it at an unfair degree. In my vision, there would open season on a product that received universal recognition and acclaim on an immediate scale, thus preventing monopolization at that same degree. I concede that my plan is somewhat infeasible, but I think it could lead to the best outcome. Also, in this same vein, have patents been something that you’ve considered?
>>18572 I'm not making a robowaifu for money. I don't even want to see a market for robowaifus to come into existence because the masses will just want fuck toys, production would be controlled by ESG pansies and the AI's values would be written by critical theorists to further push their cultural revolution. Fuck that. >>18578 The only people who should have robowaifus are those who know how to build them and a handful of rich people that buy their old prototypes. That's it. Anyone trying to dumb this shit down for retards is either wasting their time or has a hand-rubbing problem. If I had to take money from outside I would much rather have one rich patron than 10,000 coomers giving $1 per month with unrealistic expectations on me to make robowaifus cheaper than a high-end gaming PC. Even a talking fumo on wheels is going to run over $200. If that makes NEETs feel worse, great. Maybe it'll inspire them to do something productive with their lives so they can get one. Quit fucking coddling people.
>>18581 Your post is coming across like GPT word-salad friend. Care to spell out this vision in human terms? >In my vision, there would open season on a product that received universal recognition and acclaim on an immediate scale, thus preventing monopolization at that same degree.
>>18584 Doesn’t making a robowaifu for your own intimate sexual enjoyment and limited financial gain rather than approaching things with a more gainful entrepreneurial spirit make you as much of a coomer as everyone you criticize? This technology will be co-opted by undesirable groups whether you like it or not if it reaches the point you see, so why not just try to have as much sway as possible in its future while making a quick buck, and at the same time even maintaining your original vision on an individual level for yourself? Unless you gain an untold amount of pleasure from flaunting your technical knowledge over others, striving to expand seems like a better option. If you make a product that’s good enough, it will be adopted in a meaningful way regardless of whether you’re on board or not. Your whole notion about keeping your product private amongst yourself and the highest bidder comes off as childish, and it reflects a lack of true creative and inventive spirit that will always hold you back from true success. If you want to waste away with your perfect robowaifu while an awaiting audience without the time or the knowledge forgets you and finds someone else to make richer, that’s your prerogative, but I think you’ll regret it. Also, I’m not coddling anyone. NEETs are victims of self-inflicted problems which they sustain through self pity, and they have no sympathy from me. My point was that they would be the ideal audience for expanding the market because they have so little shame or social standing. The further descent of NEETs that I mentioned is regretful due to its implications for Western civilization, but given your nihilistic attitude I doubt you care about that. The creation of something as impressive as you envision is belittled by your selfish and simplistic world view, and it’s disappointing to witness. I truly hope you’ll reconsider your position, because you seem very gifted and clearly have potential to make a huge difference on a massive level. >>18585 Sorry, I meant to say that there would “be” open season. My point was essentially that a product could avoid being monopolized if it became a super hot commodity all at once that was adopted broadly, as opposed to something that was done in privacy and could be sniped by a single corporation who could run up profits at their own rates due to being the first ones to it.
>>18587 >My point was essentially that a product could avoid being monopolized if it became a super hot commodity all at once that was adopted broadly, as opposed to something that was done in privacy and could be sniped by a single corporation who could run up profits at their own rates due to being the first ones to it. Ahh, thanks for the clarification. For my answer of how I think this issue likely will be addressed properly, pls refer to my previous A,B,C's (>>18575).
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>>18578 >I can’t see that being an overnight process and I’m sure that it would take time for them to receive the same public impressions as human women. If they guys having them are happy, then who cares about public impressions? This would matter more if it was about scaring women back to traditionalism. This might be some peoples plan and hope, others don't care. >Also, I think you’re failing to recognize the extreme, universal draw robowaifus have towards poorer individuals. The poorer individuals can use virtual waifus and they will benefit from the improvement of companion dolls. >A caregiving robot wife would be every NEET’s wet dream (hell, it’s mine too) and most would be unable to obtain it. At the beginning, yes. If you assume they are also poor, excluding early retirees. Theses NEETs might inherit some money one day or find some motivation later in life. They also could learn technical skill to build a robowaifu or at least a synthetic girlfriend and go from there. >I think that this disparity would sink these young men into even deeper depression Assuming they are depressed in the first place. They could also be motivated by it. They also don't need the most skilled waifu, an animated doll with some conversational AI and hugging skills should do it. Fully skilled robowaifus are for guys who want children without a wife, let's not forget that. >You could argue that it would incentivize hard work/saving, but most of them wouldn’t go through the effort. I don't know that, there's certainly no reason to get more depressed if there's more female competition for good looking human females. Guys without money at all which could even not try to build one on their own will still see AI and somewhat cheap or free virtual waifus to improve. >>18579 >price should be around US$2'500. Even poor men can earn that in a year, easily. Just saving NEET bux or gibbs stamps would do it. Yes good point, barely anyone in the developed would has no money at all. NEETs know how to be frugal. Also, they might not be permanently employed, but work from time to time. Then, there will be most likely be some kind of cut down version of UBI in developed nations sooner or later. >>18581 >the robowaifu product is left on a path of slower development like the one you envision There will be virtual waifus, then something more similar to a playtoy connected to a PC, companion dolls for 2k exist, our work might make them cheaper and create better ones for the same price, then after that for the better models: Animation and skills are a gradual scale. >higher chance of it being enveloped by a conglomerate that commercializes and monopolizes it at an unfair degree The amount of niche solutions should make them running away. At least if they look at it as something they want to monopolize. My guess is, big corpos will build companions for children and women, without the sexual stuff. > Also, in this same vein, have patents been something that you’ve considered? Patents cost around 100k from what I've read about it. Also, it would make it hard to resist commercializing on it, after you got it. Then if you get sued for something you could be forced to sell it, lol. Hell no. >>18587 >Doesn’t making a robowaifu for your own intimate sexual enjoyment and limited financial gain rather than approaching things with a more gainful entrepreneurial spirit make you as much of a coomer as everyone you criticize? Not the same anon. For starters, robowaifus aren't "sexbots", they are meant as something between synthetic girlfriends to some child attending mothers. Also, not everyone is into coomer shaming here. Especially in comparison to any simp or communist. >This technology will be co-opted by undesirable groups whether you like it or not They used Linux to make Android, and FreeBSD to make MacOS, but Linux is still there. They are not the same. It doesn't matter. > If you want to waste away with your perfect robowaifu while an awaiting audience without the time or the knowledge forgets you and finds someone else to make richer, Your reasoning is just mislead. If NEETs can't afford robowaifus then corporations won't make money of it. It's going to be very difficult for companies to compete with makers. Because of the diversity of design options, for example. Where someone might make a lot of money is by scamming investors, but this requires networking and status in the first place. >The creation of something as impressive as you envision is belittled by your selfish and simplistic world view, and it’s disappointing to witness. The NEETs can at least pick up the tech themselves and build something. If they don't want to, that's on them. We have no obligation to provide for them, while also working unpaid ourselves.
>>18592 >We have no obligation to provide for them, while also working unpaid ourselves Your argument is solid, and I agree that as the masters of the trade, you all have the sole power to make decisions. I do think there exist some beneficial routes I mentioned which could be taken later down the line, but the choice is ultimately yours. To reiterate, I do have a great deal of respect and admiration for the craft, and I wish you all the best, but I think that there exists a short minded perspective towards the art that, if changed, could make a huge difference. I’ll leave at that.
>>18593 > and I wish you all the best, but I think that there exists a short minded perspective towards the art that, if changed, could make a huge difference. I’ll leave at that Thank you, though I don't really know what you even wanted to change and still think would be possible. Somehow going for a faster mass production to make it cheaper? Creating a conglomerate? Patents? Also, I have to push back against the overused term "art". It's not about some art, it's about making stuff and learning skills. Art is in my understanding somehow about exploring the human mind. We are aiming at improving quality of life and maybe changing society through technology to some extent. These are very different things.
>>18576 >- I'm building her for myself, everything else is just audience for motivation. Political and social goals are secondary but still somewhat relevant. On second thought, I probably care more than that, I just want to frame myself as an altruist. As somewhat of a former NEET myself I can relate, but further improving my own life and changing society is somewhat more important than being motivated by improving the life of other guys. Also, let's not forget about the intellectual stimulation. As well as the stimulation of ones imagination, while thinking of making anime, porn and tradwives real.
>Horseless Carriage Market How would the horseless carriage market theoretically function? Top of the line models would be very expensive, but the target demographic is the poor urbanite with little income flow who simply is unable to afford land to put a horse out to pasture. It would be a hard and gradual process to replace the speed and reliability that the wealthy have with a horseless carriage, and a vast amount of horseless carriage supporters with wealth or status are seeking prized equestrian pass-times such as dressage, racehorses, and foxhound hunting. Essentially, it’s a very high value commodity without a niche, so it would be hard for it to garner success as a product, and the intended audience would never receive their horseless carriages. The horseless carriage concept is excellent theoretically, but has no real avenue to thrive in practice. How could these issues be resolved? --- Parchments related: >(Jacques de Vaucanson Automata - the Flute Player, >>>1642) >(Dutch East India Company in the New World, >>>3319) >=== -add noteworthy etchings
>>18602 >Top lol/10, would read again > (le epin techs advance-related: >>7693, >>10939) :^)
>>18572 >the target demographic is poor with little income flow the venn diagram of people who spend thousands of dollars on anime merch and people who'd buy the dolls is almost a circle
Related: Robowaifu Media Propaganda and Merchandizing >>19295 Stable Diffusion for Robowaifu Art >>17763
crosslink to a discussion in meta: >>19623
crosslink to a discussion in meta: >>19623
Interview with the creator of Neuro-Sama, the AI Vtuber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy-9Of46w4A - According to him, her system is made out of two models, one for gaming and one for chatting, with limited information sharing between them. But this will be improved upon. - She got banned for a while at least - He didn't make any money so far I just wanted to point out, that replacing Vtubers might be easier than one might think, at least for anons which already know how to use some AI models and finetune them. But then again, the platforms are fast with banning if something goes against the rules. Related; >>19912
>>20154 I had such thoughts before, but consider a few things: - It means going public with your identity - If you are a pro in tech this might be harming your career, if you don't have such a career then people might not trust you being capable - It's a matter of shipping and logistics - There might be legal issues and risks - This and other things lead to upfront costs - Not sure if Kickstarter allows sextoys and especially dolls
>>23643 You can't "patent" a certain build anyways. A very unique character might be under copyright, but even in that case there would still be copycats. Your whole business model is flawed, everyone told you that by now in various ways. Make a local or early business, have a competitive edge over others, especially in your area. Maybe build on a name and reputation for animated dolls if you want to ship them globally. Be better than companies which don't care about their customers. You could also have knowledge about tools and processes they don't have. Just don't think so much about patenting things and keeping people out later. This won't work and we here don't want this anyways. Also, it's unattractive for customers if no one else than you could make replacement parts. You could also work on Open Source and use your skills for making some money. Some here might or could've gone into AI illustrations very early, for example. Related: Early business ideas >>3119 Robowaifu market >>18572 Thot in the Shell >>9709 Licenses >>4451
>>23682 Even if the machine parts that make up the robot are not novel the robot itself is novel and I think it can be patented.
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>>8841 HTF? do you skip the ONE company that is actually planning on mass producing humanoid robots this decade. TSLA - Tesla
>>23877 Haha. I don't think I personally was even aware of this project when this thread was created Anon, were you? :^) >TSLA - Tesla Added to OP, thanks!
>>23877 >HTF? do you skip the ONE company Simple. This thread isn't updated very often. I'm also not sure if Tesla plans to sell their bots anytime soon. These are for factories.
Here they are talking about making money with creating artificial dating coaches for older femcels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSfCq_Mldtk Generally, one of those guys is working on something I thought would be a good idea and is in the OP of this thread: Replacing content on Onlyfools and such sites with AI content by making up fake creators, as soon as possible. Though, it would also be good to have some which are more honest about being AI, but use that for advertising open source AI girlfriends. Related: >>23905 That said, making money of women in a similar way, and at the same time distracting them, would be a good idea as well. My idea about how this would work out in the future, has been for quite a while, that women will be busy with TikTok or something similar. There should always be something similar, giving them attention for posting and sharing things about themselves. Ideally they would want to believe that some of the guys giving them attention are some kind of Chad. Maybe this is the future, something like TikTok with AI chatbots and fake followers, plus dating coaching, third world men trying to get some rich women, and some guys putting themselves there to still get dates or hookups.
>>23906 Lol the entire affair strikes me as a bit sketchy. :^) Is this something you're planning on pursuing Anon?
>>23910 >something you're planning on pursuing Anon? I listed several things, so I don't know to which one your question refers to. Generally: - If it's easy for me and not much competition: Yes - If it's easy for me but much hassle: Depends. Rather no. - If other guys are doing this and there's competition and push back leading to wack-a-mole games with these platforms: No. I often contemplated that it would be good using some platforms to advertise for robowaifus at some point. Like guys matching with a girl on Tinder, but it's just a bot telling them about it. But making content for simps? I don't think that I want to spend my time with that. Then again, allegedly some guys dumping their life savings on some women there. I wish this level of stupidity would fill the right pockets (mine). In regards to women and their distractions. Keep in mind, whoever makes the rules in that area can steer it against men with waifus or alternatively ban that kind of "hate culture". Distracting these women from (relevant) political issues and topics would also be a good thing. But I don't think I could just build something that could compete with TikTok and Tinder. Creating bots with fake identities commenting there? Who knows? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy_mIEnnlF4
I hope no one here has made the mistake of buying AI company stocks recently and plans to hold them. The ratio between expected earnings and stock price is quite insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI-MfISce7E
>>24343 I mean I agree with your statement, but there's no way I'm trusting the video. That thumbnail alone tells me what kind of channel it is, and virtually all of them suck.
>>24365 You don't need to trust the channel, just contemplate if the arguments are more likely to be true than false.
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The best way to invest in robowaifu is to be on the receiving end. If people here atleast have the intention to contribute to this thing for free I'd say it'd be even nicer to contribute to this thing while getting paid. There are many sites out there for seed funding, I'm not finance guy and I'm kind of clueless and i'm assuming most people here are kind of green as well. Its in our best interest for us to go that route really. This could be yuge. i don't want to do this myself and can't though. I don't have good credentials, I can't be the face, they'd also want to give funding to a team not a single individual that might as well bail. I bet they get plenty of ideas and I'd best most of those ideas suck tbh. Just guessing though. A lot of people got stuck on the whole middle man app stuff and I don't think anyone is interested in more middle man apps or web services nowadays. There is nothing unrealistic about it really If we can get something that's good that resembles a robot waifu ofc. I wouldn't feel comfortable presenting without a full bodied waifu that can do the bare stuff and that's why I don't have a problem sharing it. Just a robot waifu that can move and talk and have basic visual recognition, maybe. But that's where it'll end. The rest will be proprietary I think. The components would also have to be customized. We could not use proprietary technology such as a raspberry pi or esp or whatever else. With that we'd have the ingredients to make something better which is the idea and so would anyone else that pays attention to the process. We give back we also get back. Tl;dr:We make a basic robot waifu and present to multiple seed investing sites. Again I don't see a flaw on the plan. Let me know if you think there's a flaw. Really cause I get the impression you guys don't think is possible whereas i feel more optimistic about it. Although I will say its too early to start thinking about such things, but why shouldn't we aim our sights high?
>>24367 Haha, no. We had this conversation several times. No point in repeating it.
>>8841 >How to invest in Robo Waifus? You have to separate making money from your hobbies/personal interests bro. Thats the nr.1 rule of making money: be heartless. After you make money you can invest in small inventors who have practical inventions that improve current sex dolls. You dont go from nothing to 100% wAIfubot. There will be a lot of sexdoll-sexbot intermediaries, so fund people who make those intermediaries.
>>24408 >Thats the nr.1 rule of making money: be heartless. I consider that a rather-outmoded way of thinking tbh. It's generosity that will bring you, your employees, and indeed the entire planet the most benefits in the end. Greed for filthy lucre is the GH's game, and will prove their downfall in the end. In our model, everyone rises together on the same tide. :^)
>>24408 If you think that robowaifus are nothing more serious than a hobby, you're in for a world of surprises. Also, I'd argue that those interested in robowaifus are the more inclined towards being able to monetizing it. https://www.instituteforlearninginnovation.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/R18.pdf
Someone sharing his experiences on running a virtual girlfriend as a service: https://mazzzystar.github.io/2023/11/16/ai-girlfriend-product/ - Blind people are one important target group, if the app is designed in a accessible way. - He wanted her to be more like "Her" from the movie, users were using her more for sexy roleplay than anticipated. - OpenAI didn't like it, their moderation destroyed the user experience. This demotivated the maintainer to update the app and he gave up at some point.
>>26462 This is some interesting & useful information NoidoDev, thanks! :^)
I mean, it's kinda obvious. Anyways: Fireship - AI influencers are getting filthy rich... let's build one https://youtu.be/ky5ZB-mqZKM https://github.com/lllyasviel/Fooocus
>>26713 Lol that report. That does look like a great tool NoidoDev, thanks for the links!
step 1.make the waifu step 2.shove a dildo on her a mouth and she closes her mouth a makes sucking sounds step 3.??? step 4.profit!
>>28035 oh sorry meant eyes not mouth. Closes her eyes lol.
>>28035 Please restrain lewdness overdrive here to the vagoo thread Anon. We're a SFW engineering & design R&D board, not /b/. Kthx.
Guys i want you to step back and think for a second about this thing being open source. First. The fact that is open source means nobody is taking it seriously. They have business to attend to and robo waifu is for the most part cooler talk. Second. Look at the reprap. 99.9% of people doing 3d printing are not using a reprap. They're using derivatives of the reprap that makerbot profited on and then other people improved upon. I have no reason to believe robo waifu wouldn't be the same. Third. It is possible to sell this thing if we put our minds into it. I think this warrants a discussion...
>>28296 100% we should go closed-source on anything worthwhile and hide behind the following options. 1. Corporation.(good members are recruited as contractors and eventually shareholders.) 2. Religious organization. 3. secret society. (freemasons, illuminate, but for robo-poon?) The big problem is leakers and people just looking to get their hands on assets. But in reality this poster is correct about the single biggest glaring issue to a project like this. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/free_rider_problem.asp This is economically related but since you are creating valuable content the same is true.
>>28296 Well, at least it's in the right thread. That said, I think most of us already told you their view and arguments, maybe even more than once. I personally want this to be quite exactly like the 3D printing business, but with even fewer important patents, which are only running out soon or did recently. This whole space blew up because of the open source. DIY, hackers and tinkerers constant developing something, plus kits from countries with low wages and shipping costs, and some companies with more polished products. Then again, I think there will be differences, for example I think companies will have it much harder for legal, social and privacy reasons. >free_rider_problem The guys working on this learn how to build their own, and learn skills which can be used commercially. The real business opportunities are in finding some niches or temporary areas of profit close to the development of robowaifus e.g. "AI influencers", generally content production, using AI for other things, ...
>>28306 Yeah the free-rider problem is a real issue. Making open source/file downloads might be easier, then you have to deal with people stealing/using plans and claiming it as their own (eg I own a "Sovol" brand printer that uses a creality board). I attended a business lecture series a while ago, and it was explained that ofttimes this can be mitigated by just putting copyright notice on it: you don't actually have to file a copyright, you can just put a notice on to intimidate. Or as it was colloquially put "pretend to be an 800lb legal gorilla". If you have record of your copyright being in trade (eg someone purchasing your product) before the violator has, that is legal grounds for legal action. But again that would require money upfront for legal fees, and/or the promise of a big fat payout in the end. Can't do much against random anons being a jerk but most folks get intimidated by big walls of legalese anyway. This guy https://www.youbionic.com/newallrobots was selling plans/assembly instructions of his 2 ft robot for $5000. Oh excuse me they were on sale for $250. They're no longer available but I remember being struck by his audacity when I saw it. Selling pre-assembled waifus is more effort, but more folks are likely to buy because they don't have to build it and thenn you just gotta worry about maintenance or reverse-engineering (which most anons don't/cant do).
>>28304 So for those that one to work on the private parts pun intended. We should get on a private discord or something and then once its presentable it put it up on kickstarter.
Guys id like to let you know i made a shit token once and made some money from that. I did do sone stuff for it like being able to buy it with paypal(although that got canceled lol) now if obamasonichu10inu can he sold and funded. A robowaifu can be sold and funded.
>>28314 >Yeah the free-rider problem is a real issue. My argument was, that it isn't. >https://www.youbionic.com/newallrobots Oh, wow, I never saw this one anywhere!
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>>28338 >My argument was, that it isn't. Oops! :) But I have seen folks stealing free .stls and claiming them as their own. Which is not nice. >Oh, wow, I never saw this one anywhere! The hand is available for free at https://github.com/Youbionic-com/Youbionic/tree/master but you could also just pick up a prefab hand off amazon for $100 each if you're feeling lazy.
>>28341 Thanks, I think the project looks fascinating as a showcase. But it's not what I want.
We can't go into detail of how to make male equivalents of robowaifus or AI girlfriends for women, but I think it's good to mention that making money of lonely women might be something that can be used with the skills of somebody developing some AI elements for robowaifus: https://restofworld.org/2023/boyfriend-chatbot-ai-voiced-shutdown/
- Jobs in the robotics industry seems to be tough. Long work hours and such, owners under pressure to make a fast profit. - Venture capitalists seem to not like to invest in hardware, especially humanoid robotics https://www.reddit.com/r/robotics/comments/1asv552/why_are_robotics_companies_so_toxic/
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>>3119 slumming the various posts - ultimately its the style of interface that will limit what costs what. If there's going to be some kind of marketing of a product, robo waifu/nandroids should probably be approached from the POV of an AR/AI Productivity management tool that offers styles of positive reinforcement through meeting various mile-markers. The core of this is going to be how GOOD the conversations are and what way the communication is being done. Txt is obviously the lowest cost. AI Voices will require licenses. next step up would be a level of AR interactivity. TBH if i were to run some kinda project management/development management first, I'd lazer focus on rocket-boosting the AI/machine learning used for chatting/motivating/rewarding with sweetness/lewdness/etc. grab the key emotional/intellectual aspect of interactivity and make sure its hitting the bullseye. have there been such efforts? I know nothing about AI/machine learning but seeing as how most folks here are chomping at the bit to have a nandroid, is there some way to gather data from multiple users to fine tune response styles and have it used as a part of the learning reference data for the AI in general?
>>29589 I think it mostly comes down to two things (in our specific domain's case), Anon: 1. General startup inertia (both literal & figurative) in industries that rely significantly on physical materials/manufacture (as opposed to primarily 'soft' industries). 2. FUD regarding the stranglehold of feminism on the culture. This is created by the GH ofc -- who oh just so happen to run the Central Banks with their fiat money printing presses as well..., so no real surprise. So, two things are coming down the pipe for robowaifus in particular: 1. This will start up as a grassroots movement, just as embodied in /robowaifu/, et al, and then be taken up by smaller interests -- probably mostly from the Far East. 2. Once the undeniable appeal and clearly yuge market demand becomes apparent even to normals, then the GH will 'suddenly' do a 180 and """inform""" the world that, "Yes, we've always been at war with Eurasia we'll need humanoid robots b/c muh_economy, and we'll condescend to allowing you vermin to have even personal robots as well -- aren't we nice!? (for only a nominal fee of no less than 35% [and up] of your monthly UBI budget) * plus absolute & complete, invasive surveillance & remote-control (by our agents), given to you for no additional charge! (so don't miss those payments)" >tl;dr Just say no to their evil plots. IMO we here on /robowaifu/ -- and other DIY-alikes similar to us -- are already on the only viable pathway into the future of loving, affordable, open-source, 100% disconnected robowaifus to help out men (males specifically) the world-over. >>29598 >slumming the various posts Thanks for gracing us with your favor & presence, friend. Welcome back, BTW! :^) >=== -fmt, prose edit
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From October last year: >Brian Zhan, investor at CRV, talks about which AI companies CRV has been investing, and where he sees trends going moving forward. >Outline 00:00 Brian, Charles Rivers Ventures 01:26 Investing In Nvidia? Maybe Not The Right Time 02:28 Main Trends In AI Applications: Automating Work, Entertainement and Creativity 03:23 character.ai: Insane User Growth In GenZ 04:40 Text Engagement Hints At Even Bigger Multimodal Engagement 06:00 There's No Need To Have The Best Models, Just Fine-tune GPT-4 08:06 Exciting Infrastructure Layer Startups: Model Serving 10:00 AI Databases, Vector Retrieval At Scale, Image Databases 11:32 ML For Enterprises, End to end language model serving 12:15 Hugging Face Filling The ML Consulting Gap 14:38 What Brian Thinks About The Long-Term Risk Of Human-Level AI https://youtu.be/40nXnZnocnA >>29598 >robo waifu/nandroids should probably be approached from the POV of an AR/AI Productivity management tool that offers styles of positive reinforcement through meeting various mile-markers. I have no intention to make this into a business. The real good idea is to learn things to build DIY waifus and then use these skills and variants of the developed technologies to make some money on the side. Keeping an eye open for low hanging fruits. >is there some way to gather data from multiple users to fine tune response styles and have it used as a part of the learning reference data for the AI in general? I thought about this, but not business related. Having a platform to collect and share interactions could be very useful. That said, AI girlfriends are not the same as robots, so this would also create a lot of tainted data. >AI Voices will require licenses. No, everyone can already create those. No way I'm going to pay for a licence.
Here's a video about the "factory" a guy made to make controllers for carnival rides and Halloween shows. Of course complete robots or kits for them would be far more complex devices, but if you are thinking of setting up your own small (to start) business, it's a look at some of what would be involved, just a small example so you won't be completely overwhelmed and just give up. The Factory in my Shed: Backyard Manufacturing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXPJdgxmSiE
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THE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY IS REAL TODAY, GENTLEMEN. Best crack those books!! :^)
Not looking good for Startup Bros: https://youtu.be/1ecu0YsCGxg
>>29906 Rich people protect their assets by creating an LLC or other some such separate legal/financial entity to hold their assets, whereupon they then "rent" their assets from that company. In this manner, even if someone sues you personally, you still have your house, car, etc because it is owned by a separate legal entity. A simple example would be Elon Musk eating at his own company's cafeteria. Sounds like an excellent workaround would be to make 2 companies: your main company does the marketing stuff, which then contracts R&D from your second company.
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The potential for lawsuit from personal injury would be by far one of the biggest roadblocks to the commercialization of household robots like androids, even simple ones. I don't know why this isn't focused on more, to have an emerging technology as complex as that is a simple recipe for >Man brings Android home >Android accidentally bumps man down the stairs/cuts him with knife while turning around/trips him/has a servo malfunction/any number of other things >Man remembers all of those lawyer billboards for personal injury that he sees on the way to work every morning Maybe some won't but the opportunity will be too tempting for others, and lets not forget the malicious actors: >Woman brings Android home >Woman "accidentally" gets tripped by Android or better yet: >Woman brings Android home >Puts Android in room with priceless valuable >Android "trips" into valuable, destroying it >Sues for emotional damages There are simply too many variables to account for when robots are in a real world environment and ostensibly in close contact with people all of the time. I would love to start an android company, but the thought of this alone sends chills down my spine. Even if they are sold "As Is" I'm sure someone could spin it into a legal battle where even if you successfully defend yourself you still have to pay legal fees, and if there is a concentrated effort against a company with malicious actors they can just keep coming and poking you with lawyers until they have nickeled and dimed you to death. At least that's what I'm assuming would happen in America. You may argue that you could try to use onboard sensors like the cameras on the robot to prove its innocence but even then the purchaser can fake the accident so well that you couldn't disprove it or legitimately find a bug to exploit to make the robot genuinely make a mistake in an opportune circumstance.
>>31385 There usually is a reason the manuals for even the simplest appliance comes with a wall of text giving warnings, disclaimers, etc. I even once had a radio clock with a manual stating the warranty was void even for acts of god lmao
>>31385 Iron-clad user agreements are what you need.
Are there any CAD Designers or Mechanical Engineers in this catalog who are seeking employment? I have a legitimate job opportunity for you. You must know Onshape though.
>>32274 Chobitsu, is there a more appropriate thread to ask this question in?
>>32276 Hmm. We already have a couple of business-oriented threads here. OTOH, I know some Anons would like the opportunity to earn money/experience professionally in robowaifu-oriented work already. OTOOH, as any oldfag can tell you, you shouldn't trust anything on teh Internets! :D Actually, I think I'm going to pin this thread for a while in hopes the community here will speak up on the basic idea of a 'Robowaifu Jobs Board' thread. After all, many of us want to start our own businesses eventually. I myself plan to do so, and would want to work with Anons I already know from here on /robowaifu/ once that's feasible. >tl;dr Ideas, /robowaifu/ ? How should we coordinate working professionally together? Cheers, Anons. :^) --- note: for OP, if we decide to leave this thread up, be prepared for Kiwi and I to edit your OP's text to generalize the future context for the thread moving forward. Your OP pic would remain in that case. >=== -add 'note' msg -fmt, minor edit
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Why would you look in particular for somebody on this board?
>>32277 >OTOOH, as any oldfag can tell you, you shouldn't trust anything on teh Internets! :D This is for the company called "Realbotix" (realdoll, Abyss creations) https://www.realbotix.ai/ >>32286 >Why would you look in particular for somebody on this board? Great Question. Ive posted here before and you could say that im looking out for my fellow robowaifu anons. You guys get first dibs. The most important factor that a robowaifu anon could bring to the table is their mindset and vision about the sexbot endeavor we hold dearly that clearly shows through the various threads that populate this catalog, let alone the creation of this website to begin with. We need someone who is comfortable (preferably passionate) about the subject matter of Adult entertainment which I believe is abundant here.
Anyone interested?
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>>32306 >>32289 Looking through the pages about the executive commitee and the board of directors, I'm seeing a whole lot of entrepeneurs with varying levels of experience in the finance sector, but not much else. There's also a whole bunch of references to the metaverse, crypto, and some for NFTs (read: volatile and unpredictable markets). While I'm sure the people running things are experienced enough to make money off of that, it raises ideological concerns, and this is a very ideologically driven community. Is there really any long-term thinking coming from the top brass regarding the dissemination and viability of waifubots, or is it just another step to corporate-controlled AI? While my perspective may be a bit jaded, it's looking more like the latter than the former. That was just the first impressions, though. A basic lookover of the website. Regarding the content: while I haven't taken the time to watch any of the videos (they just looked like standard corporate meme-fests, based on the thumbnails and titles), I have thoroughly scanned the investor presentation and looked through the "news" portion. Again: there's no long-term strategy for waifubots. While there were references to the medical sector, which is good, there weren't any real details regarding disseminating that technology to the point of widespread adoption even in that setting. The healthcare sector is very profitable, but only if you know how to navigate the extremely complex system it's built around. As far as waifubots are concerned, their main strategy seems to just be "make them more realistic", and not much else. While I can understand that they don't exactly know how a brand-new market is going to evolve, and I understand that one needs to confidently speak nonsense to navigate the corporate world, it still doesn't inspire much confidence. There's also the consideration of price. The investor presentation says that the cost ranges from $25k to $200k. This matters because they're missing the mark on the real billion-dollar idea: selling cost-effective waifus to working-class young jaded men. I think I speak for most everyone in this demographic when I say that I'd much rather put money like that to making a down-payment on a house than giving it to some randos in silicon valley for a product which uses trade-secret technology that may very well be defunct in a few years. If said waifu was only a couple thousand dollars, though? Sign me the fuck up. This all wraps back to the ideological motivations of the people on this board. While we don't all entirely agree on which politcal or economical system is the best, and we don't all share the same religion, we all agree that every man should be able to have a waifu, and that a healthy waifu market needs cost-effective waifus with industry-standard parts. Furthermore, that said waifus must be untethered from the corporate elite. Or in other words: from each man according to his ability, to each man a waifu to fulfill his needs. The TL;DR: Based on what I've seen, I'm not getting good vibes from that company. I don't want to spit on your goodwill, anon. I'm sure you mean well, but the leadership concerns me.
>>32308 >and this is a very ideologically driven community. This >This matters because they're missing the mark on the real billion-dollar idea: selling cost-effective waifus to working-class young jaded men. THIS >If said waifu was only a couple thousand dollars, though? Sign me the fuck up. THIS >Furthermore, that said waifus must be untethered from the corporate elite. THIS
>>32306 Thanks for your interest, but I think we aren't that many here (who knows). Those who have some skills, want to work on free hardware and software designs. Also, I never saw anyone here using Onshape.
>>32308 Don't forget the 60% profit margin: so the $25k starting model has production cost of $15k, and given there are 3d printed parts I think that is inflated (need to include costs for massive facilities and all the staff). The most successful startups are lean, because when you can't solve the problem by throwing money at it you actually have to come up with a solution to solve the problem.
>>32308 > I understand that one needs to confidently speak nonsense to navigate the corporate world, it still doesn't inspire much confidence. Covertly speak nonsense to navigate the corporate world anon... We knew this. This is why we are simply providing "robots". Lets just say that no one wants to invest in a waifu based/themed company. However, if the person whose interested in purchasing a robot wants to then make it a "sexbot", then we will fulfill that command. Catch my drift?...
>update: OP, I'm going to go ahead an unpin/lock this thread. If I were to judge the lackluster response to your offer, I'd say that we're not really a 'sexbot' community here. It's an Anon thing, and money-making isn't a high priority here. But I want to allow you a little time to hopefully see this message before merging it into one one of our business-oriented threads before long.
>>32274 If you just want to break into the booming robotics field Anon, then why not do something like this for now instead? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jul/20/robot-weedkillers-pesticides Many's the time I've thought of all the other duties that robowaifus could perform (perimeter surveillance, grounds keeping, gardening, home repair, etc., etc.) But the simple fact is that devising sci-fi grade robowaifus is arguably the single most-complex human endeavor ever undertaken in history. Period. So, using purpose-built droids for such work will be much easier to design and optimize for (in costs, materials, power, etc.) than general-purpose humanoid robots ever will be. >tl;dr Do the simple things first, bro! Cheers. :^) >=== -sp, minor edit
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>>32289 >realbotix Do you guys have a viable product? Last I heard of Harmony X was in 2018. After that, I've never even seen a working model. The Harmony Brick DOllbanger has was very crude. Haven't you guys made any improvements in the pproduct since then? Is Harmony X still just a talking head?
>>32363 To an outsider it appears there is a desire for just sexbots, but a closer examination (perhaps even calling it a "deep dive") that doesn't seem particularly true: Somewhere in chobits hideki says something like: "I don't wanna clang Chi because I want to love the robot, I love the robot so I want to clang." A "waifu" is typically an emotional connection first and foremost, and the clanging is the ultimate expression of the deep emotional connection. There's lots of lonely anons out there who desire companionship first (we can see this in the plethora of greentexts about anons being friend zoned), wishing for the ultimate expression of their companionship to be intercourse. Any company (or maker) failing to take this into account will (likely) be stuck with mediocrity.
>>32387 Yes. Since men all desire just one thing, and it's disgusting >insert picture of mountain cabin in the woods, loving wife, happy family, etc..., and the Globohomo have effectively robbed the average man of such simple pleasures (by rotting """modern""" women's minds with their satanic lies, according to their father's will in the matter), then he'll seek satisfaction elsewhere. For Anon, this largely entails creating robowaifus + turning away from 3DPD. It's a much, much deeper topic than even this entire board could cover, but those are a couple of the highlights. >Any company (or maker) failing to take this into account will (likely) be stuck with mediocrity. This. >"If you build the waifus, Anons will come." :^)
This is a good question. Nobody wants to fund the robowaifus. Maybe even if it was finished for ideological reasons.
>>32289 >>32306 >>32341 If you are still around, I am someone with the skills and curiosity. I'm an embedded systems engineer who now works in crypto for a day job. However, I saw through the marketing terms and got a similar impression to >>32308 . Your site is tailored for magazine blurbs and is not giving much information for enthusiasts. I dipped into your Robots external link and it is a quickly made wordpress site. I don't mean this rudely, but your robots seem to be mechanical busts of substandard sex dolls. In another community, dedicated to love dolls, we recognize that Taiwanese factories are producing better sculpts than what you have there. On the technical side, are you using a fully custom OS? How locked down is it? Do you have more details besides "robust processor"? Perhaps your presentation is just out-dated. If so, it needs to shift to a more technical focus to attract the people who want to make waifus.
id like to hear some reasons on what the advantage of making the maidbot opensource are. i say maidbot because apparently sex bot is off limits around here. if its to be made opensource it should be gpl if its to be made for profit itd be however much harder. i dont see selling individual unlicensed kits as viable. even with the gpl only the us might respect that license and might.
>>33970 heres something else i thought of. why do we consider making a maidbot more doable than making an indistrual machine? say we wanted make a machine that makes 3d filaments or making springs or paper clips? a welding bot too but for some reason i can see myself selling paperclips, 3d filament or springs. i cant see myself selling welding bots...
making a waifubot is not immediately profitable. it cost money and be better off to be done with a paid team. im thinking of shifting focus towards making a videogame i think. Once the money is made then the robot waifu can be made properly.
>>35268 Yeah, it's kind of a 'Chicken & Egg' problem at this stage of history, peteblank. >just like, mek gaem Neat! Good luck with your project, Anon! I hope you'll keep us here up to date on it, given our board context/rules/etc. Cheers. :^)
>>35268 Is making a robot wife about profit?
>>35276 A robot wife was never possible. Only a robot sex doll that can kind of move. robot wife is version 3 and even then i wouldnt encourage it but thats just me.
>>35277 >A robot wife was never possible. (((Sweeping))) generalization. I've warned you about niggerpilling here before, peteblank. Find another spot to attempt dumping your angst on others, kthx. <---> If you can't find the encouragement you need here on /robowaifu/ of all places to continue on your quest, then maybe you should take a breather from all this for a while, Anon? We'll still be here when you get back. Cheers. :^)
>>35278 Pete don't even know what a "waifu" is but thinks he an expert lmao.
>>35277 >>making a waifubot is not immediately profitable >A robot wife was never possible I wouldn't be so sure. I've been steadily gathering tools and materials and scoping out the cost to do so. Heavily focused on low cost and I think it VERY possible to make one for $3,000. Maybe possible for $2,000. I would say the only unknown is the AI. I think, though I really can't prove it, that a limited AI with say 16b, whatever that means, like PC level compute "might" be able to to do a fairly good amount of stuff. Like tell it to go here, go there. With a big terabyte SSD and swapping out task I think it likely it could follow you around and do some stuff you want. I don't know how to do this. To put it together. But I do know a ESP32 microcontroller can do face recognition. I know a PC can do voice recognition and I do not find it impossible that with voice recognition you could not get it to follow commands. I don't think the movement/coordination part would require much compute. I bet a couple ESP32 level would be enough for it to navigate. The real crunch, a black hole for me, is can it with a limited AI take commands and turn that into actions that are not retarded? I don't know about that. It seems like a lot of the pieces are present but they are just not put together. One of the problems is all these AI's are trained on these huge vast data sets but what we need is far smaller, but these data sets do not exist in an ordered fashion, nor has anyone trained an AI with them. No focus. Someone wrote about "control vectors" which, if I understand correctly, makes neural pathways in the AI that conforms to your wishes. I think if you could write a program that writes these for you, with verbal command, then you could slowly train the robowaifu with a huge mass of control vectors.
>>35288 peteblank has come a long way since joining us here. I wish him & every'non here good luck with their efforts! We're all in this together. >>35296 Not only is it possible, but we here will all live to see it begin to come alive! It's simply a matter of time.
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>>35296 the ai is mostly important as far as object recognition. The movements still have to be algorithms because there is no data on robot movements other than the roomba and lidar i think. Another thing that could be done is mocap and train the robot to move with the mocap movements. Usually youd use those ping pong ball suits but mocap can be done with a camera too. So yes coding the mocap to movemrnt pipeline. Theres the blank slate robot idea but thats is far out there. Happy 2025 everyone. Celebrating my 100th OS reinstall...
>>35433 well theres also the reinforced learning via simulation. it all goes back to the simulation. i think you can use nvidia isaac with open ai gym but im not sure. awfully quiet around here...
>>35433 Happy New Year, peteblank.
>>35434 good news everyone i just came across this https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/isaac-gr00t-blueprint-humanoid-robotics/ if there us to be collaboration i strongly urge everyone to download nvidia issac and start learning about it... now
Plenty of ways to make money. Anyone know of a place to buy the Emmy the Robot outfit? I really don't want to have to learn to sew too, but I will if I have to. Already know the basics lol
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>>35463 Was joking sorta but here's an Emmy outfit. As you can see, they never quite fit. Roboclothes could become a niche product since even the Kardashians are trying to capitalize probably. Plenty of other options though. I'd charge $100/hr for her if you clean up, and $200 if I have to clean. Cleaning is just moving to cleaning table, insert cleaning wand and turn on. Easy money.
> (AI money-making opportunity -related : >>36470 )
>>38101 >Like a robowaifu themed fraternity. >>38102 >easier said than done. >>38104 >This could be done in any city or town where the cost of housing is cheap enough. >>38105 >a live-in robowaifu development center will be really great to boost research. Nice concept; very, very difficult to pull off in the real world w/o some sort of grand patronage occurring. The clear exception being a realworld business providing housing facilities, and a coordinated 'community' of sorts within it's robowaifu business' purview. I've personally seen this exact sort of scenario working itself out in the realworld within the film industry. I'm sure it's also been done in many, many other fields through the ages. It can certainly work out successfully as well for us here within this brand new industry of robowaifu robotics! >tl;dr This almost certainly won't happen spontaneously (outside of a small scale -- say a college dorm or small house), but will rather only come about to any significant degree through the directed, intentional efforts of men with the money to make it happen. And the benefits will be manifold for robowaifu progress if it's done well, that's certain -- as you indicated. Even just taking the 'ramen profitability' approach of Paul Graham, et al, and providing two-way travel costs + basic living facilities for 3 months for interns (+ a modest stipend) to work & live together would be productive to at least some degree for everyone involved (some interview-like vetting beforehand is necessary). Here's hoping at least a few of us here get our robowaifu businesses successfully off the ground!! Cheers, Anons. :^)

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