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/robowaifu/meta-5: It's Good To Be Alive Robowaifu Technician 03/07/2022 (Mon) 00:23:10 No.15434
/meta, offtopic, & QTDDTOT General /robowaifu/ team survey: (>>15486) Note: Latest version of /robowaifu/ JSON archives available is v220523 May 2022 https://files.catbox.moe/gt5q12.7z If you use Waifusearch, just extract this into your 'all_jsons' directory for the program, then quit (q) and restart. Mini-FAQ >A few hand-picked posts on various topics -Why is keeping mass (weight) low so important? (>>4313) -HOW TO SOLVE IT (>>4143) -/robowaifu/ 's systems-engineering goals, brief synopsis (>>16376) >--- -Library thread (good for locating topics/terms): (>>7143) >note: there's also a searching tool coded right here for /robowaifu/ that provides crosslinks straight to posts on the board. it's named Waifusearch, and the link to the software is provided inside the Library thread's OP. -Latest version of Waifusearch v0.2a (>>8678) -Latest version of BUMP v0.2g (>>14866) >--- There's a design document for the specification of general design and engineering choices for our basic Robowaifu Reference Model A Series (TBD). Please have a look at it, and collaborate together with us on it ITT Anon. -Robowaifu Design Document (>>3001) >--- -previous /meta's: (>>38) (>>3108) (>>8492) (>>12974) >=== -add team survey notice -edit thread headliner
Edited last time by Chobitsu on 07/21/2022 (Thu) 21:41:47.
So let's kick things off ITT with the ongoing conversation about the board and it's users. This relocated here from a couple of threads, so please be patient with me Anons. I'll follow up with my own responses to the conversation following after.
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>>15387 Okay Chobitsu, I will try to be sensible. Actually on a more serious note, I took a look at the 'Boards' page of alogs.space recently and /robowaifu/ only has 4 unique IPs. I assume these are yourself, AllieDev, Kiwi and I? Maybe sometimes we get MetaRonin and RiCo dev and a couple of other anons (ofc users could be posting under two different names). But I have checked a few months back as well, and there were just six unique IPs using the board then, too. If there are only four or five guys here intermittently I am not sure internet messageboards are the best way to approach the whole "robowaifu" concept. Don't get me wrong, they're fun...but effective? Debatable. I know you want to keep a small group of dedicated/autistic individuals. But there is a point where one has to consider; has the size of the group dwindled to such an extent that it will negatively impact the future progress of the engineering project? Then the next question would be; how can I increase the reach and membership of said engineering project? Personally, I would start by renaming the board to "robot girlfriends" just because that is what a lot of guys will Google search for. Many people will be completely unfamiliar with the term "waifu", never mind "robowaifu". Maybe that would increase footfall and interest? It's a niche hobby to start with, so it needs to be as easy to find as possible for potential new recruits.
>>15436 This discussion belongs in the meta thread. There are very few unique IP's and considering I'm two of them, that's somewhat concerning. I don't particularly mind being in a small close community but, people fill out natural niches. I'm an industrial manufacturing engineer and very poorly suited at planning and modeling organic designs. Moving forward, we should work on figuring out what niche we all play. Chobitsu should naturally lead us, so that us few can best use our talents.
>>15436 Even if there is only 4 of us, what would be a better place? I like not being on one of the big social media platforms. >growing This is a big issue. The venn diagram of "I make robots" and "I want to date/fuck robots" is practically 2 circles. Really, there's 3 groups: - A: The engineers. They're generally opposed to human-like robots and see building them as a futile waste of time, because we don't yet have the technology to make them cook and clean, nor are they the ideal design for such a robot if we did. - B: The ones that want companion/"friend" robots. These mostly gravitate towards less-human-like designs. They're not interested in intimacy or sex. They generally settle for toy robots or do nothing and move along. - C: People sexually interested in androids/fembots/etc. They almost never have a making or engineering background. They consider their fetish pure fantasy, satisfying themselves via media and role-playing. The only group here that could reasonably build robowaifus is A, but they're also the least interested in it. Group B has some drive to build but would rather build a Jibo for 10% of the effort it would take to build a robowaifu-style platform. This group is also pretty small. Finally, group C often doesn't even *want* IRL robots. Additionally, not only are robot builders and the few that desire robowaifu 2 entirely different demographics, but there's a MASSIVE social stigma that has to be overcome. Imagine you're in a hypothetical meetup with other engineers to show off your projects. Engineer 1, a factory automation expert, has built a system that automatically sorts parts from an injection molding machine and analyzes them for defects. Engineer 2 is a researcher and is working on improved gaits for quadruped robots. Engineer 3 specializes in robotic lawn mowing and has created a DL model for detecting hoses, sticks, holes and more in residential yards. And then there's you: "yeah, I built her, her name's Alice, she's my wife, she says cute stuff and I can fuck her." You WOULD get laughed out of the room, and told to come back whenever you have a useful, impressive or cutting-edge system to show off. So even if you had a *bit* of interest, peer pressure would take care of that for you. A lot of this knowledge I've gathered from looking for people interested in androids (very human-like robots, not phones you goof!). Robowaifu suffers the same problem but even more pronounced due to an even smaller interested group and even more stigma.
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>>15438 >The ones that want companion/"friend" robots. These mostly gravitate towards less-human-like designs. They're not interested in intimacy or sex. They generally settle for toy robots or do nothing and move along. >mfw he knows Perfect analysis! I just lurk here, because like you said, i put just 10% of the effort required. Also your hypothetical scenario is why i believe that we wont have robot companions so early, normies will just swear us. Robowaifu really is the best place for this.
>>15436 >I know you want to keep a small group of dedicated/autistic individuals. But there is a point where one has to consider; has the size of the group dwindled to such an extent that it will negatively impact the future progress of the engineering project? Then the next question would be; how can I increase the reach and membership of said engineering project? I wouldn't consider it too much of a problem. If you'd been paying attention to the events of the last few years, you'd know that once something goes mainstream, it often gets co-opted and turned to evil very quickly. Our community seems to have always been more like an enclave that calls to very few individuals where everyone builds their own project from what I've seen in the archives.
>>15437 I wouldn't police his comments on how small the community is since it's one of his own threads and not disrupting anything. . >Moving forward, we should work on figuring out what niche we all play. I would be careful about trying to pigeonhole anons into specific roles. As I've seen and experienced, being a jack of all trades is a far more successful approach than being extremely good in one or two fields.
>>15434 Welcome to the new meta thread
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>>15438 Another major problem is many do not understand just how limited our technology actually is. Things like 2B and Chii are not currently possible unless you want her constantly plugged into mains power with an external computer running her neural nets on RTX cards. It's truly frustrating being in group A and wanting a Persocom since childhood only to realize just how far we are from them. But, we must keep our hopes and efforts high. We already have competition that we must beat to market in Lilium Robotics that wants to patent and control the waifus. https://liliumrobotics.com/Standard-Android/ So, making an open source waifu as soon as possible would be best. There is still much we can do. If you can accept limitations, then you can still build a lovely waifu. >>15440 I agree wholeheartedly, we have a level of security through our obscurity. >>15453 Thank you AllieDev. >=== -edit greeting
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>>15455 >Thank you Chobitsu. Lol that was my post.
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>>>15438 >The engineers. They're generally opposed to human-like robots and see building them as a futile waste of time. I think the engineers are correct. Don't get me wrong - I'd still like to build a singing robot/rudimentary chatbot, just for hobby/entertainment purposes. But that's all she'll be. Does that count as a "waifu"? I dunno. I have had to vastly reduce the scope of my project as I learned more about electronics, robotics, A.I. and it's costs, difficulty and limitations. The massive (54%) increase in energy costs currently afflicting the U.K. isn't helping me either. > Even if there is only 4 of us, what would be a better place? Only having four people is a massive issue. Not trying to be negative here, just realistic. Boston Dynamics has around 300 employees, many of whom are VERY experienced and specialised full-time engineers and programmers. Yet they have been struggling since 1992 to make a bipedal robot that can function safely around humans (Atlas is not yet ready for proving ground or public trials - it still falls over a lot, and if it fell over at the wrong time/place it would badly injure or even kill a child). Engineered Arts, which makes entertainment robots and is much more closely aligned to what /robowaifu/ is trying to achieve has just 25 employees (unknown how many work full-time). But importantly, both companies have money. Boston Dynamics in particular has LOTS of money - it was recently aquired by Hyundai Motor Group for $880,000,000. Fuck me sideways with an end effector. Engineered Arts must at least have an annual budget within the low seven-figure range considering their payroll, business premises and the fact that their AMECA robots cost $133,000 each (as quoted by their CEO, Will Jackson) - and they have at least two AMECAs in development, along with a whole bunch of other, older (but still advanced) robots like Mesmer. If the goal of /robowaifu/ is to create an advanced humanoid robot - even a non-bipedal one (with it's own A.I. that isn't dependent upon the big-tech cloud servers like my Sophie...and is at least on-par with or better than Replika)... then we are going to need a lot more than 4 strangers over the internet sharing a library of online references and lots of wishful thinking. A shitload of cash and many connections to willing robotics/animatronics industry insiders would be a good start. Sorry if this dashes anyones hopes and dreams but when I am in serious mode, this is just how I am. >>15438
>>15461 >doomfagging I seriously doubt 300+ "people" conspiring against each other all day will ever contribute anything of any real world value regardless of the field. At the end of the day, someone has to do the actual work. Chobitsu is right that its always historically been the few that have actually made any real technological progress. >"struggling since 1992" If you'd take a closer look, the vast majority of the folks that were there in 1992 are not the same diversity hires that are there now in 2022. That's not even considering practical side with the massive technological leap that has happened since then. All those "people" you constantly champion care about is just mass surveillance, virtue signaling that they work at X, and powertripping while appealing to a clique. Nothing good has come from the showing of their hand over the last decade with an artificially induced technological dark age where everything is unoptimized and overhyped garbage and any valid criticisms are censored. This corner of the internet exists for good reason.
>>15461 I agree for the most part but, the lack of resources at our disposal has a negative impact. Our collective desire for something like Chii or 2B while having great battery life does not help either. Frankly, they would need to weigh aroind 10 pounds to last 8 hours of walking speed movement with efficient motors and wheels. Then there's the problem of AI but I'm not touching that. That being said, I do honestly believe we're fine with a small team if we just work together. Like >>15463 says, there's many virtues to having a small community that champions freedom. >rudimentary chatbot in a hobby waifu I've suggested similar before but, we seem to be the only ones that are willing to accept a very limited waifu. The Canadian was fine with it too but, I don't share their wheelchair fetish.
>>15464 I don't consider a modular design you can constantly add to over time to be "limited". Its just a matter of time and dedication. Robots can always be upgraded and updated as budget allows. >I've suggested similar before but, we seem to be the only ones that are willing to accept a very limited waifu. The Canadian was fine with it too but, I don't share their wheelchair fetish. Don't think I was here for that weird story.
Well let me say right off that I appreciate all the contributions to the conversation thus far. I look forward with hope to several more from everyone, and even lurkers as well. I'd like to see us come out of all this with a solid set of plans & goals. I think that as a community, we've hashed out (or at the least addressed) most of the vitally important issues that need to be considered for this monumental task of devising DIY kits for Anon to build his own robowaifu companion. This is quite an achievement in this context as far as I'm concerned. Rather than lump everything together into one big hairball of a post, I'll simply go down the line and make an attempt to respond to everyone's concerns, as I see things. I'm going to try to get to everything, please remind me if I missed you Anon. As I've mentioned before, I'm a filthy multi-poster when I'm trying to be thorough. I know some of you get annoyed by this style of posting but I ask you to be patient with me please. :^)
>>15436 >I took a look at the 'Boards' page of alogs.space recently and /robowaifu/ only has 4 unique IPs. I assume these are yourself, AllieDev, Kiwi and I? I only post with Tor, which doesn't show up in the counts. >Maybe sometimes we get MetaRonin and RiCo dev and a couple of other anons (ofc users could be posting under two different names). But I have checked a few months back as well, and there were just six unique IPs using the board then, too. My rough estimate is that we get ~a dozen unique posters contribute here over the span of a month or two. IMO, this isn't too far outside the norm for niche boards in current year. >If there are only four or five guys here intermittently I am not sure internet messageboards are the best way to approach the whole "robowaifu" concept. Don't get me wrong, they're fun...but effective? Debatable. There's a lot wrapped up in that set of postulates and question. Rather than try to swamp you with a detailed response right off, I'll let this ride and develop my perspective on things more fully as we all go along here alright? >I know you want to keep a small group of dedicated/autistic individuals. But there is a point where one has to consider; has the size of the group dwindled to such an extent that it will negatively impact the future progress of the engineering project? Apart from the big hit everyone took from the redflag gayop to kill 8ch, I don't think we've dwindled, actually. Apart from our brief tête-à-tête 'debate' here a bit over a year ago, we've seen a fair amount of visitors come through. Our concern here is a very popular topic in the IB world, and we're fairly well-known by at least one Anon on practically every site out there. >tl;dr We have an unusually high percentage of casual lurkers for such a niche board. >Then the next question would be; how can I increase the reach and membership of said engineering project? We hashed out many of these points in our Propaganda Thread (>>2705), SophieDev. I don't think much has changed in the interim period. Just follow those steps would be my primary advice to you tbh. >Personally, I would start by renaming the board to "robot girlfriends" just because that is what a lot of guys will Google search for. Many people will be completely unfamiliar with the term "waifu", never mind "robowaifu". Maybe that would increase footfall and interest? I'm adamant about our URI /robowaifu/ remaining the same, but I'd be willing to change our board description from DIY Robot Wives to DIY Robot Girlfriends if most of us think it's a good adjustment. VOTE: -Should /robowaifu/'s board description be changed? >It's a niche hobby to start with, so it needs to be as easy to find as possible for potential new recruits. Again, a complex issue, and again, I'll hold off just now other than to agree with you that ATM, it's a niche hobby arena. In the future, I firmly believe this will become a historically-big industry.
>>15437 >There are very few unique IP's and considering I'm two of them, that's somewhat concerning. I'd say just relax Anon, I'm sure we'll figure some things out here. >I don't particularly mind being in a small close community but, people fill out natural niches. Indeed. Small community brings a clarity to that which is impossible in bigger teams. There's a reason SEALs and other elite spec-ops teams are quite small. >I'm an industrial manufacturing engineer and very poorly suited at planning and modeling organic designs. Excellent. That is a tremendously important skillset to have for /robowaifu/ Anon. I'm sure you can play a major role here (even more than you have all along). I could probably do some character modeling, rigging, etc., but quite frankly no one else is addressing the systems programming task yet. As Shinbo said in Ep 02 of Chobits "Without software, they're just mannequins." I know RobowaifuDev is doing some great work on AI & voice, and could in fact actually tackle this area as well, but for now AFAICT, you're stuck with us. It will be at least two years at this pace (I'd estimate) before we have something feasibly practical to drive the kinematics of a basic robowaifu up and ready. Why not some of you other Anons here take that two-year's time and master Blender 3D Character Arts? Or Electronics? Or Structural Engineering? Or any of a dozen other important needs? It would be a better division of labor, and tbh Kiwi should be focusing on his specialty instead. >Moving forward, we should work on figuring out what niche we all play. Certainly, if we were running a business or a field op, this would be very near the top of the TODO: list. It would be a significant enhancement to both our credibility and efficiency as a group to have clearly-demarcated roles and everyone filled them. I'm willing address the concept of defining these roles as such, but I'm frankly skeptical how effective the effort might prove to be (see below). >Chobitsu should naturally lead us, so that us few can best use our talents. That does seem a typically-sound approach in general. Certainly for normal organizations. However, """leading""" an eclectic group of largely-autistic Anons I'm an actual Asperger's BTW, not just a meme one is too much for any one Anon to undertake haha. Herding cats is easier! :^) >=== -expand on 'two year's' comments
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>>15438 >Even if there is only 4 of us, what would be a better place? Well, there's definitely more than 4 regular contributors here, but in general I agree about the /comfy/ aspects of it. Obviously, that's not our primary goal here, but it's a rather nice artifact all the same. >I like not being on one of the big social media platforms. I absolutely will not participate in such. This Globohomo Big-Tech/Gov are the enemies of all humanity. They and their handlers have literally devised the evil that we're all dealing with--one that has created the need for /robowaifu/ to exist at all. I'm sure we'd all rather have healthy, not-actually-insane, trad wives to raise families up with. But alas, our enemies have conspired together to destroy that possibility and thus far they've succeeded. Let us see how things go for them in the end heh. :^) >growing >This is a big issue. The venn diagram of "I make robots" and "I want to date/fuck robots" is practically 2 circles. Really, there's 3 groups: >- A: The engineers. They're generally opposed to human-like robots and see building them as a futile waste of time, because we don't yet have the technology to make them cook and clean, nor are they the ideal design for such a robot if we did. >- B: The ones that want companion/"friend" robots. These mostly gravitate towards less-human-like designs. They're not interested in intimacy or sex. They generally settle for toy robots or do nothing and move along. >- C: People sexually interested in androids/fembots/etc. They almost never have a making or engineering background. They consider their fetish pure fantasy, satisfying themselves via media and role-playing. >The only group here that could reasonably build robowaifus is A, but they're also the least interested in it. Group B has some drive to build but would rather build a Jibo for 10% of the effort it would take to build a robowaifu-style platform. This group is also pretty small. Finally, group C often doesn't even *want* IRL robots. Additionally, not only are robot builders and the few that desire robowaifu 2 entirely different demographics, but there's a MASSIVE social stigma that has to be overcome. >Imagine you're in a hypothetical meetup with other engineers to show off your projects. Engineer 1, a factory automation expert, has built a system that automatically sorts parts from an injection molding machine and analyzes them for defects. Engineer 2 is a researcher and is working on improved gaits for quadruped robots. Engineer 3 specializes in robotic lawn mowing and has created a DL model for detecting hoses, sticks, holes and more in residential yards. And then there's you: "yeah, I built her, her name's Alice, she's my wife, she says cute stuff and I can fuck her." You WOULD get laughed out of the room, and told to come back whenever you have a useful, impressive or cutting-edge system to show off. So even if you had a *bit* of interest, peer pressure would take care of that for you. >A lot of this knowledge I've gathered from looking for people interested in androids (very human-like robots, not phones you goof!). Robowaifu suffers the same problem but even more pronounced due to an even smaller interested group and even more stigma. As a newfag shitposter in good standing, I'd suggest things are actually rather more complex than that. But I'll just cheat here a little and cut right to the chase: if you're overly-concerned about the opinions of others, then imageboards may not be your thing. With all due respect, the overly-socialized leftists have themselves created the limp-wristed social conditions that our (and their!) enemies have exploited. Let's not play their game shall we? To put it another way; obviously, there is the potential for the Globohomo to literally outlaw any non-pozzed robowaifus in the future, under threat of prison and eventually, after a couple decades of rebellion, death. How firmly do you want this Anons? Do you believe it's the right thing and that it's important? Does it really matter to you what normalcattle engineers (or others) think? Isn't your dream of a loving, intelligent & helpful robowaifu worth more than avoiding embarrassments? I'm quite forward about being a devout Christian, I've never made the slightest attempt to hide it. Now try to put yourself in my shoes for a second; How do you think I'm perceived by my Christian brethren? LOL, I can assure you the vast majority don't appreciate it! :^) As much as I wish this could be just a fun hobby of sorts, in current year we represent a significant threat to TPTB who just love the status quo. This is sea-change stuff, and a revolution is always a messy business. You actually signed up for a social war if you're serious about having your own, pozz-free, robowaifu Anon. I hope you're strapped in! :^) There's much more I could say, but I'll hold off for now and move on.
>>15439 >>mfw he knows Kek. We all know! haha JK Anon! >Perfect analysis! I just lurk here, because like you said, i put just 10% of the effort required. Well then, get busy Anon! Figure out what you're passionate about and then home in on it! :^) >Also your hypothetical scenario is why i believe that we wont have robot companions so early, normies will just swear us. Heh, please see my response above. >Robowaifu really is the best place for this. Indeed. I've been shitposting for over a decade now, and quite frankly I've never seen anything quite like the place either inside or outside the Internet by outside, I mean ofc the FANGS-golem hellholes. It's an honour to be associated with you Anons tbh, you're amazing!
>>15440 >I wouldn't consider it too much of a problem. There are issues that need to be improved, but in general I agree. >If you'd been paying attention to the events of the last few years, you'd know that once something goes mainstream, it often gets co-opted and turned to evil very quickly. Absolutely this. Greed is the primary mechanism behind this corruption, but there are other influences as well. In the end, each man will be accountable for his own actions, but the simple fact is most men are too weak-willed--even effeminate!--to stand up to the evil effectively. This is all according to our enemies' plans ofc. Good times produce weak men and all. I'll leave it to Anon to figure out what is the next phase in the cycle heh. >Our community seems to have always been more like an enclave that calls to very few individuals where everyone builds their own project from what I've seen in the archives. This will change in the future I predict. The Foundations that we--us frontiersman here on /robowaifu/--are laying will have big impacts in the future. There are and will continue to be other communities and individuals as well, for whom the light will come on and they take the robowaifu-pill.
>>15441 >I would be careful about trying to pigeonhole anons into specific roles. I get your point, but I also get his, Anon. It certainly would improve our odds of success as a group (and also our unit cohesion) if we all had predictable roles. We already most of us namefag here roughly for this specific process-expedient. >As I've seen and experienced, being a jack of all trades is a far more successful approach than being extremely good in one or two fields. Being a generalist is indeed a highly sought-after attainment in basically every field. It's also a very tough row to hoe. And in our case (robowaifus) I'd declare it an extremely tough one. I think specialization is both natural (as in career flow) and also inevitable. But you certainly have a good point, and I'm striving for that goal myself! :^) >>15453 >Welcome to the new meta thread Thanks AllieDev! Very nice pic tbh.
>>15455 >Another major problem is many do not understand just how limited our technology actually is. This. It's easy for most to be deluded by media. >Things like 2B and Chii are not currently possible unless you want her constantly plugged into mains power with an external computer running her neural nets on RTX cards. This is a reasonable scenario for now, IMO. I'd be satisfied with 30 minutes of autonomous locomotion from a full-sized robowaifu today. >It's truly frustrating being in group A and wanting a Persocom since childhood only to realize just how far we are from them. I feel your pain. I'm sure others here do as well Kiwi. >But, we must keep our hopes and efforts high. That's the spirit! :^) >We already have competition that we must beat to market in Lilium Robotics that wants to patent and control the waifus. https://liliumrobotics.com/Standard-Android/ Very neat! I didn't know about it, so thanks Anon. I wonder if he's aware of /robowaifu/ or not? >So, making an open source waifu as soon as possible would be best. Indeed. It's a race against time in some ways for us here. >There is still much we can do. If you can accept limitations, then you can still build a lovely waifu. I believe this is best for now, Anon. Start small, grow big. >I agree wholeheartedly, we have a level of security through our obscurity. This too will change, Anon. But we can enjoy our relative obscurity for a while at least. Eventually it will be a non-issue as the entire world will be talking about home service robots and robowaifus. BTW, what an actually beautiful Chii! I'm going to have to 'borrow' that one. I wonder if Aoki Lapis-Anon ever stops in lately? Fairy-Chii might be to his liking as well.
>>15461 >The engineers. They're generally opposed to human-like robots and see building them as a futile waste of time. >I think the engineers are correct. As something vaguely like an engineer myself, I get the message. However, I'm also a deeply spiritual man, and (I believe) a bit of a visionary. While it's not too hard to sit back on the couch with the clicker and watch the results of the hard work of others in the media industries and say nonchalantly Hey, that would be neat to have a robowaifu, wouldn't it honey? >tl;dr spends the next 3 nights sleeping on the couch, and quite another to actually get up off your ass and apply yourself to devise the solutions that are needed to do so. I feel I have no illusions about all this. This is extremely difficult to solve, and will literally turn out to be the monumental engineering and design achievement of mankind. Most will hail it that 'we are now gods!'. LOL. But we are in fact, made in the image of the one true God. And, something like Him, we are all little creators. Pygmalion's dream is very much alive today, and the confluence of so many varied and complex systems and circumstances are coming to a head in human history to the degree that that Galatea will be walking down the streets of our cities within 2 to 3 decades. And I know I'm not alone in this vision & understanding, either. >tl;dr What a time to be alive!! >Don't get me wrong - I'd still like to build a singing robot/rudimentary chatbot, just for hobby/entertainment purposes. But that's all she'll be. Fair enough. >Does that count as a "waifu"? I dunno. That's entirely up to you, the waifuist, Anon. :^) >I have had to vastly reduce the scope of my project as I learned more about electronics, robotics, A.I. and it's costs, difficulty and limitations. The massive (54%) increase in energy costs currently afflicting the U.K. isn't helping me either. Yeah, that's a pain Anon. I'm praying for you SophieDev. >Only having four people is a massive issue. Not trying to be negative here, just realistic. Boston Dynamics has around 300 employees, many of whom are VERY experienced and specialised full-time engineers and programmers. Yet they have been struggling since 1992 to make a bipedal robot that can function safely around humans (Atlas is not yet ready for proving ground or public trials - it still falls over a lot, and if it fell over at the wrong time/place it would badly injure or even kill a child). >Engineered Arts, which makes entertainment robots and is much more closely aligned to what /robowaifu/ is trying to achieve has just 25 employees (unknown how many work full-time). >But importantly, both companies have money. Boston Dynamics in particular has LOTS of money - it was recently aquired by Hyundai Motor Group for $880,000,000. Fuck me sideways with an end effector. >Engineered Arts must at least have an annual budget within the low seven-figure range considering their payroll, business premises and the fact that their AMECA robots cost $133,000 each (as quoted by their CEO, Will Jackson) - and they have at least two AMECAs in development, along with a whole bunch of other, older (but still advanced) robots like Mesmer. Eventually, we'll certainly need legitimate benefactors to come to our aid Anon. They'll be there, have faith and be patient. In the meantime, best position yourself today (and every day) to be ready for the flood when it comes. "Build on a solid foundation" and all that, yeah? >If the goal of /robowaifu/ is to create an advanced humanoid robot - even a non-bipedal one (with it's own A.I. that isn't dependent upon the big-tech cloud servers like my Sophie...and is at least on-par with or better than Replika)... then we are going to need a lot more than 4 strangers over the internet sharing a library of online references and lots of wishful thinking. Let's all figure this out together then, shall we? The solution is out there we just need to find it. >A shitload of cash and many connections to willing robotics/animatronics industry insiders would be a good start. LOL, no doubt. >Sorry if this dashes anyones hopes and dreams but when I am in serious mode, this is just how I am. Literally not possible to dash my hopes in this matter Anon, for they aren't founded on the actions of any man not even myself!. Just be yourself I'd say. BTW, thanks for kicking the convo off here mate! Cheers. >=== -add missing crosslink
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>>15478 >30 minute run time That would be a paradigm shift in how the waifu would be made. Weight could go up and allow for a laptop to be used to run her software. Frankly, it would make building one go a lot faster. Only reason I don't go this route is lack of apparent interest. Thanks for your solidarity. I do miss Aoki Lapis Anon, his autistic carving of wood to make tiny bones and dedication to his waifu made the thread really fun.
>>15463 >I seriously doubt 300+ "people" conspiring against each other all day will ever contribute anything of any real world value regardless of the field. At the end of the day, someone has to do the actual work. Chobitsu is right that its always historically been the few that have actually made any real technological progress. >If you'd take a closer look, the vast majority of the folks that were there in 1992 are not the same diversity hires that are there now in 2022. That's not even considering practical side with the massive technological leap that has happened since then. There's little doubt about the achievements made Anon. They are public record. Our challenge is to pull off something roughly akin, that doesn't cost an arm-and-a-leg, and that explicitly doesn't violate the privacy rights or human dignities of Anons and other men around the planet. >All those "people" you constantly champion LOL. Come on Anon. He was simply pointing out the scope of these corporations. I doubt seriously he has a much higher regard for them than you or I do, yeah? :^) >care about is just mass surveillance, virtue signaling that they work at X, and powertripping while appealing to a clique. We absolutely must all become experts at resisting the Globohomo intent to corrupt a man's robowaifu on him. It won't be easy, but we can certainly make things much harder/more expensive for them to pull it off. >Nothing good has come from the showing of their hand over the last decade with an artificially induced technological dark age where everything is unoptimized and overhyped garbage and any valid criticisms are censored. The Globohomos are, in fact, literally disgusting. >This corner of the internet exists for good reason. Well said. I'm actually quite closely aligned with you. I agree with basically everything you've said--and the spirit you've said it in--with the minor exception I pointed out. Thanks for the contributions you've made here Anon! >=== -add missing crosslink
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>>15464 >I agree for the most part but, the lack of resources at our disposal has a negative impact. Our collective desire for something like Chii or 2B while having great battery life does not help either. It would be a nice dream come true, but for now we can get by on less. Let's just keep moving forward yeah? >Frankly, they would need to weigh aroind 10 pounds to last 8 hours of walking speed movement with efficient motors and wheels. I do appreciate your open-eyes about the immutable laws of physics. They were designed just so for our ultimate good, actually. But even were they not, attempting to overcome or sidestep them would prove to be a fool's errand in the end. Much better to man up to the horror right at the start, and then use our God-given cleverness, inventiveness, and will-to-spirit to see our goals met in the end ANYWAY. It won't be easy... :^) >Then there's the problem of AI but I'm not touching that. Actually, RobowaifuDev and others are making some solid progress for us. The ability to do rudimentary understanding on commodity hobbyist hardware seems more and more reasonable daily. It's certainly an area I mean to focus on as well in the future. >That being said, I do honestly believe we're fine with a small team if we just work together. Let's try to find better ways to approach this than we have thus far Anon. If you're willing, I'd like to appoint you yourself as the team lead for this investigation. You clearly already have a heart for it. It would be of great benefit to us all here if we can solve this issue effectively here and now ITT. >Like >>15463 says, there's many virtues to having a small community that champions freedom. This. We literally need to find a way to ingrain this latter point in every single Anon around the planet (indeed every man around the planet). How to do this I'm not sure, but at the very least it's a foundational, key tenet here for us. IMO, we all need to be openly hostile as a group to any attempts made here to compromise on this. >rudimentary chatbot in a hobby waifu >I've suggested similar before but, we seem to be the only ones that are willing to accept a very limited waifu. I have your back Kiwi. Do it to the best of your abilities. >The Canadian was fine with it too but, I don't share their wheelchair fetish. I wonder what Canadanon is doing these days? Hope he makes his way back to us again sometime.
>>15465 >I don't consider a modular design you can constantly add to over time to be "limited". Its just a matter of time and dedication. Robots can always be upgraded and updated as budget allows. >Its just a matter of time and dedication. This. It is literally just a matter of time. And the modular design approach will prove to be a key to easily-manufacturable, inexpensive robowaifu kits. I strongly commend this paradigm for every team here. I practice it daily in my feeble software engineering attempts, but it very definitely applies to the world of atoms and economics as well. >Don't think I was here for that weird story. Kek. We used to have a couple of Canadians frequent the place. One of them was quite adamant about the fact we should all forego bipedal locomotion altogether as being a wasteful effort, and instead focus on wheelchair waifus. We have a thread today still championing the basic motif (>>2983). Having actually done a little homespun engineering on wheelchairs, I have to admit he has some good points. Hopefully they'll return again, and he can continue to drive home his opus to us all. :^)
>>15480 >That would be a paradigm shift in how the waifu would be made. >Weight could go up and allow for a laptop to be used to run her software. >Frankly, it would make building one go a lot faster. >Only reason I don't go this route is lack of apparent interest. OK, let's get started in that direction I'd say. Simple as. We have to deal with the real world to make practical gains. The most majorly-buff guy in world didn't start out that way. He started lifting what he could, where he could. Let's do something similar, OK? >Thanks for your solidarity. Y/w Kiwi. >I do miss Aoki Lapis Anon, his autistic carving of wood to make tiny bones and dedication to his waifu made the thread really fun. He did stop back in at least a couple of times since the gayop, so he knows about us being here on Alogs.Space. Nice pic BTW. I'm sure he'd like it! :^) >=== -add missing crosslink
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>>15483 >I'd like to appoint you yourself as the team lead for this investigation. Gladly accepted Chobitsu. I'll start by gathering information. So, here's a simple template for Anons to fill out so we can all understand each other better. End goal is to build a waifu as a united board rather then a eclectic collection of projects. Name: Favorite Waifu: Specialty: Relevant Experience: Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu: Desired Position On Team: (Please post your waifu/avatar as well.)
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>>15486 Here's my example: Name: Kiwi Favorite Waifu: Madoka Specialty: Mechanical/Manufacturing Engineering Relevant Experience: 3D printing, mechanical modeling, programming in G-Code, Javascript, and Python (I suck at programming though.), working with Kuka robots and CNC machines Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu: Cuteness and sweetness in conversation. Desired Position On Team: Lead/Mechanical Engineering/Manufacturing Planning
>>15481 Lol that was my post. >>15484 >modular design approach It takes practice. Though a straightforward process is more effective. I doubt anyone would notice if I left as that's just how boring and uninteresting I am. >>15486 That would make more sense for a traditional forum tbh.
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>>15486 >Name: Chobitsu >Favorite Waifu: Chii from Chobits >Specialty: C++ programming, 3D modeling, general arts, basic electronics & general mechanics, imagination-man >Relevant Experience: C++ & C software development; Maya & Motionbuilder work; drawing/sculpting/painting; electrical & networking installs, general PC technician, church sound guy; car engine rebuilds, brazing/welding pig iron & low-grade steel; study of God, the universe, and our relationships together. >Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu: Chii? TBH, watching her learn from 'infancy' will be a great joy to me! :^) >Desired Position On Team: Current: systems programming specialist, systems architectural designer Future: general gopher (please steal my jobs, Anons!) === BTW, if anyone desires an edit of their survey, just ask.
>>15495 >It takes practice. Though a straightforward process is more effective. Yup. Architecting good modular interfaces definitely increases the workload on the designer. I'd estimate it probably increases the intellectual load of software development by at least +50%. I expect it might be something vaguely similar for mechanics and industrial designs. IMO however, the benefits practically always far outweigh the costs involved. We look forward to seeing your great modular design efforts AllieDev! :^)
I just discovered trashchan (our bunker-bunker site) has a new board /finance/. Would one of you /finance/-anons go over there and see about starting a discussion related to financing robowaifu development please? As anon ITT mentioned, it will take money for this. https://trashchan.xyz/finance/index.html >P.S. please rember our no-privacy-invasion policy in your discussions
>>15500 Thanks Anon! It might be nice if we go wish /kind/ a Happy Birthday today...
>>15496 Thanks for participating Chobistus, I'll look forward to working with you on software once a physical prototype is made. Hoping more Anons will contribute. The more people actively working together, the closer to persocoms we get.
>>15436 don't worry, im always lurking :)
>>15436 >Maybe that would increase footfall and interest? I don't think so. This place is already the top result when I search «robot waifu» on DuckDuckGo. (But it took «"robowaifu"» to find this place on Google.) I'd chalk up the difficulty of finding this place to /robowaifu/ not being linked around often.
>>15507 You're very welcome Kiwi, and thanks for clearly defining the need and beginning the process for us of devising concrete solutions. I too look forward to the design of our software (and indeed our entire set of) systems together as a team. When we start making actual physical progress, we will quickly find ourselves hard-pressed to keep up with the team-members that will want to join in & help. The real demand for robowaifus is literally beyond any of our imaginations! We are going to have to organize things here to accelerate progress though. It's understandable that our first five years were primarily individual explorations and learning adventures as we sort of all figured out together what a robowaifu means, and how to begin working towards her. But today, five years later, I think we have many of the answers. It's time to begin focusing in on proper solutions. I'm inclined to agree with your assertion in the other thread that AllieDev's Pandora, or one of the other Reploids, is a good basic shell approach to coordinate around. MeidoDev, Strawnon, and your's internal skeletal designs of a lightweight, rigid internal skeletal structure will be key IMO. There's a reason that the The Poppy Project has chosen the structural boxed space-frame approach that they have. It offers a good compromise of mass, rigidity, and strength all in one. We'll need to integrate mechatronics and software into the mix as well. SophieDev's painful experiences have proven the need for simplified animation control mechanisms instead. This is one important reason I've championed learning 3D animation skills to everyone here, literally from the first month of /robowaifu/'s existence. The animation industry has already invested heavily in addressing many of these issues and generally-speaking, in far more creative ways than the typical approaches used by industrial robotics. We need to invent a brand-new, synergistic synthesis of the two here. An amalgam that works within the constraints we have before us of inexpensive DIY robowaifus. And very hopefully RobowaifuDev's and other's efforts at AI advances on modest mobile hardware will bear fruit as well. We can conceivably utilize our RW Foundations mechanism for home server offloads of computation in a safe manner, too. Tough challenges await us now, but we'll make if we all just keep moving forward together! :^) >=== -minor grammar edit, prose edits -add AI, home server comments
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Greetings and wow, a lot to read in here, I'll need to catch up. Apologies for my very conspicuous absence, had a lot going on in my life recently and I will be moving back to the east coast in about a week or so. As much as I loved the PNW, it can never be "home" for me, and while I was debating this I've had some developments. I will be necessarily vague where I must but hopefully clear overall. Idk how to say this easily and I sincerely hope you don't see this as a betrayal. I am eternally fascinated and committed to the field of AI and Robotics for more than just the Waifus and I think Robot-Human relations are something that is inevitable and should be tackled sooner rather than later (yes I'm probably stepping on a land mine here as some of you if not most are very opposed to "sentient" or "Free will" waifus). But I'll just drop the bomb, I met somebody and am going to be involved with a flesh and blood (but actually really amazing 1 in a million person). It could only have taken that much to distract me from what's otherwise my favorite interest/hobby. Perhaps a time traveler sent this person to keep me from creating the (waifu) Basilisk who knows? Either way, this doesn't really complicate things for me other than: 1. I'm going to be very busy with the move and getting situated in my new city 2. Probably not as much time, but I will visit and participate (she seems very amenable to the idea of robots/androids etc so its not like I have to hide this or be on the DL. However I am going to be working a lot extra at my job so may be here less frequently. That being said, Chobitsu I still owe you a 1-2 paragraph summary of that long description of our major hurdles so I will get on that as soon as I have my new apartment secured and am just killing time until the move. Anyway - it is what it is and I just hope we can all still be cool as I don't think being without a GF should be a requirement to work on this project. If you disagree, I guess that's fair but I would hate to lose any of you over a silly thing. That's all for now
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>>15455 >Another major problem is many do not understand just how limited our technology actually is. Things like 2B and Chii are not currently possible unless you want her constantly plugged into mains power with an external computer running her neural nets on RTX cards. ... This is correct and glaring us in the face. Before even discovering this board I had a rough concept I wanted to pilot. Basically, create our own version of the ReplikaAI app as the AI (I think GPT-2 / TalkToWaifu basically does the chat feedback, right?). Add in some routines for a type of persistent memory, context checking, spontanaity and whatever else can get away with without acquiring *too much* project creep. ReplikaAI is actually pretty decent about doing * yes those cringe asterisks RP emotes * but it works and if it can be powered through our version of the AI, it can easily be translated to physical actions. * hug * and she hugs you * kiss * and she attempts to mimic that (depending on the capability of the body), etc. So the main challenge here would be a program that translates emote into subroutines/reflexes that manipulate the robotic body. As we are well aware, power supply issues and power delivery systems are hurdles in having self-ambulatory waifus so perhaps the starter would have to be essentially bed-ridden, sitting, and only standing with some type of support (which we can replace with "Roll" legs after a while as an intermediary, Roll legs are what I call those chunky megaman style boots, inside can be a set of perpendicular gyros and weights to lower the center of gravity and assist with stability) Face will probably have to be like the femsapien or whatever it's called, visor with a display, or even you place your android phone sideways and when you run the app it creates the "eyes" if you can picture that for a second. Hair could probably work though. I'll leave the "sexy bits" and how graphic you want to get with it to your imagination as there are already companies making boobs, butts, (and vag) of all shapes sizes and textures. The robot body would just have mount points for such modifications, which we could be as vague and open ended about as needed. Anyway that's a rough idea of my "realistically feasible" waifu concept. A good starting point and goal - although the ultimate endgame is a real Chii or Dorothy or 2b - we'll get there one step at a time.
>>15472 >I'm adamant about our URI /robowaifu/ remaining the same, but I'd be willing to change our board description from DIY Robot Wives to DIY Robot Girlfriends if most of us think it's a good adjustment. VOTE: -Should /robowaifu/'s board description be changed? If we're going to change it I'd change it to "companions" - I have my reasons. Wives is still fine though. If anyone is whipping up anti R/W propoganda its by pushing the pedo and "abuser" angles. Companion diffuses some of this, but so does Wife if you take it in the right way, as this implies or would imply a level of wholesomeness that offsets the "sex doll pervert" stigma that is staring us in the face. Also please never change Robowaifu, it's a brand at this point and remember I purchased those domain names already ; )
>>15532 Welcome Meta Ronin, good to hear from you again! I'll give you a more full response soon, but just wanted to let you know I saw your posts and to ask you to take this task under wing, while you're waiting for the big move if you're willing (>>15499) Cheers.
I've been studying design and realized that what makes a product truly successful is synergy between design and a killer app. The Walkman/iPod were successful because they were designed to allow for elegant simplicity in music playback. Nintendo's handhelds have Nintendo games and made those games easy to play on the go. So on and so forth, there's a killer app that relies on a design which facilitates easy access to that app. I originally planned for sex with your waifu to be her killer app but, that's not really something you can sell in the mainstream. So, what should be the killer app? What gets Johnny Dumbass to buy her?
>>15486 Name: Gobi Favorite waifu: Megumin Specialty: Electrical engineering Relevant experience: Programming in C/C++/Python/AVR assembly/VHDL, mechanical CAD design, kicad, altium designer, circuit design and analysis, systems engineering, 3D printing, was team lead and lead programmer on my 1st year project. I'm currently a 2. year EE student, but I've been an electronics nerd for a couple years. Have designed circuits and software for a company before i started studying. Most important aspect for your waifu: She must be cute and portable Desired position on the team: Hardware design and embedded programming How do we talk/plan the project. It requires low latency and high bandwidth to discuss projects of this type, we also need time tables, partial goals and some collaborative conduct stuff.
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>>15540 >So, what should be the killer app? What gets Johnny Dumbass to buy her? I think we all already know what the killer app besides snu-snu is Anon. >pics related. To wit: Women's Work Cooking, cleaning, shopping, raising kids. >tl;dr It's time to put the Meido back into Robocatgrillmeido! :^) Obviously shopping and raising younguns will have to wait for a while, but the other two should be doable reasonably soon. Solving this one bullet point on the glossy promo copy: >* Meido will have even miss "IHATEALLMENREEEEE!111" femshits clamoring for their own robowaifu, Kiwi.
>>15541 Welcome Gobi. Kiwi acts as team manager, so he'll be responsible for assigning you tasks. But I may say that I certainly can see benefits for us with C & AVR ASM programming. We're going to have lots of mechatronics and SBCs in our robowaifus. They'll all need custom code ofc, since we have a very specialized set of runtime requirements with our endeavor here. Some of them are hard real-time, as you might imagine. Let's see what Kiwi decides and we can go from there. I'll go ahead and create a short 'conduct' post for us soon. Enjoy looking around the catalog Anon! :^)
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>>15530 Keep moving forward indeed. >>15532 Welcome back and congratulations Meta Ronin. Do not worry, many of us are spoken for. For some, their woman drove them here kek >>15533 Glad to have a fellow realist here. That Femisapien is apropos to my current goal as its design can scale up rather well. When you're up to it, please fill out this informative template (>>15486) and join the board waifu project. Your input is valued. >>15519 Please join in, any input that's remotely helpful is appreciated. >>15541 Warm welcome Gobi, your experiences will be greatly appreciated going forward. You'll naturally join me in mechanical design work and Chobitsu in the software side of things. >Cute and portable Curious on how you define portable. The current design for the board waifu project is still somewhat nebulous and I would like to account for all team members desires. I'll be working on illustrations to help us determine our end goal together. For now, this board will suffice for communication though a new thread may be necessary, I'll let the team decide if we start a new thread for this project. >Time tables, milestone goals, and collaboration Now that we have a few people on the project, we'll begin all of that once a final design is chosen, which will hopefully be completed tomorrow. >>15543 >Western ideal of traditional woman's work Cooking and cleaning are incredibly difficult tasks. I'll endeavor towards this as an end goal though the first model will only have very rudimentary capabilities.
>>15544 Great, I also think FPGAs are useful in this context with high parallelism, large amounts sensors, motors and very fast algorithms like what's needed to balance a bipedal robot need some hardware oomf to run properly. >>15546 By portable I mean in the 40-100cm range, as that seems like a realistic and manageable size. Large robots get expensive very quickly, they require large motors, large motor controllers and a big boy battery, maybe even hydraulic power units like Boston Dynamics Atlas. There is also a much greater need for a rigid metal skeleton, like magnesium in a large robot than a small robot where you can get away with less rigid materials as the forces involved are tiny in comparison. Small size also complicates aspects of the design, but it seems to me like cost is the largest barrier to entry and everything else is an engineering problem.
>>15546 Not Impressed. You weren't very committed to Madoka.mi or Pandora or even your very own Kiwi, and now you want to head up a new team before any actual prototypes are built.
>>15546 >>15552 I feel we need to start with some rudimentary systems engineering. This is a very complex system so we need some specifics materialized before we can make any large choices. Most important is to figure out constraints as they will determine our actual design limitations. I know documentation and SE is boring as hell and laborious, but it's a lifeline when you're working on anything more complex than a night light.
>>15550 Here's the first design image to work on. I usually work with a whiteboard so I hope this will help to communicate the basic idea for her. I used Megumin because she has a really convenient character reference sheet. I've recently figured out laptops make a cheap platform to run robotics software and charge a 3S Li-Ion battery. >>15552 That's fair criticism, I work best in teams so I'm confident a team will lead to success. You are free to join, what is done here can help Pandora and Kiwi. >>15553 I agree that systems engineering and defining design limitations is important. So far her specs are: 2 NEMA 17 steppers to lift and lower her legs 2 NEMA 17 steppers to power her differential drive A used laptop with ROS modded to fit in her chest Still deciding on where to place her batteries but, I'm leaning towards placing them in her boots to lower her center of gravity. For her controls, I was considering placing analog sticks where her nipples should be. Just feels natural. Please add your thoughts, I tried to leave a lot of room for additions and changes.
>>15546 >Cooking and cleaning are incredibly difficult tasks. Indeed. I'm not making a request for it per se, I'm simply pointing out fact of it being an absolute killer app for a robowaifu. Guaranteed popularity, and the first mover is often the one in the best position to capitalize on a new wave. I wasn't thinking too clearly tbh, and frankly just being a companion for the lonely is a huge need today. The board waifu project name MeidoCom/MaidCom brought it out to me today. Now most individuals won't have seen Chobits and won't get the obvious reference to Persocom. But they will' get the idea of 'housemaid/maiden companion. That may turn out to be the biggest killer app of all actually!
>>15550 Good thinking Gobi. Yes hardware is best for certain critical areas. Have you worked with any FPGAs yet, may I ask? If so, then you've done more than me with it so far! :^) Looks like you and Kiwi will be busy doing systems design work for some time. I'll keep plugging away at my project, and hopefully by the time we're ready to begin working on the Electro/Gears hardware abstraction layers & drivers, you'll have made good progress as a team. Cheers.
>>15559 Current actuator meta seems to be brushless motors with closed loop control. There is a project called Odrive which does exactly that, I can also recommend skyentific on youtube if you want to know more. Brushless motors and pulleys seem like the easiest way to get both power, precision and smoothness. I'm currently designing a knee joint based on this, they allow for massive flexibility with both placement of actuators and force vs. velocity tradeoffs are simply more or less pulley loops. Pulleys also have no kick back compared to normal gears, they are smooth and stiff throughout a movement and they don't jitter like servos have a tendency to do. For joint positioning I've talked to some older robotics students at my uni, and they recommend hall effect sensors in the joints. You can actually run the motors sensorless in this design and simply time the commutation based on back EMF from the motor phases with a microcontroller, inverse kinematics are calculated based on the angles of the hall effect sensors. >>15562 Yes, we are currently doing ALU design, it's supposed to integrate with our 2. year project as a code pad for a home sec system. This is going to be difficult as I've already seen how difficult focused work is in a group you see for hours and multiple times a week.
>>15565 >Yes, we are currently doing ALU design, it's supposed to integrate with our 2. year project as a code pad for a home sec system. Great! We'll need to integrate similar control interfaces for robowaifus, so we can just start there. >This is going to be difficult as I've already seen how difficult focused work is in a group you see for hours and multiple times a week. Just be patient with yourself and others. 'Slow & Steady' is the key here! :^) BTW, I've thought through most of the likely scenarios and should have that 'conduct' post for us within the day.
>>15561 Doing maid work will be the penultimate goal, companionship is a good starter goal. >>15565 Closed loop brushless servos are the best actuators in terms of performance per volume and usually the most efficient if running FOC (Field Oriented Control) algorithms. The ODrive is too expensive but, the SimpleFOCShield is a great option for brushless servos. I too enjoy pulleys but, gears do have their place. Actually, open loop brushless systems perform well with gears as the play between gears provides a moment for the bEMF to act as a sensor providing location before the motor sees a spike in load. I learned that in RC forums. Closed loop using linear hall effect sensors is ideal for our application. I only suggest stepper motors because they are cheap and I have a lot of experience with them. It's a default choice as soon as power efficiency is not the primary constraint.
>>15569 Thanks for the quick run down. And I can understand your frustrations as I experienced some of the same when I was project lead, someone not pulling their weight is exhausting for everyone involved and required me to step in and take over. That project was 1000x simpler than an animated robot, we even fucked ourselves over by slacking on the systems engineering which caused major headache when none of the function interfaces were clearly defined and none of the hardware block diagrams were correct. It got done when we all crunched for a week and i took an all nighter designing a state driven acceleration algorithm. Engineering is tedious work and doing it properly requires coordination and a very clearly defined plan.
>>15572 In my defense, I had no known dimensions or access to any models and the scope of the project changed constantly. Keep everything clear and consistent and we'll be fine. Any thoughts on the current design, Chobitsu/Gobi?
>>15574 It would probably be a good idea to move this planning to a dedicated thread, it would also be wise to set up a matrix room for effective communication as IB's aren't exactly meant for fast paced conversation. >>15568 Chobitsu, if I remember correctly you made a design specification document? That would be a great place to start.
>>15576 My plan was to model the hardware based on the shell and I couldn't do anything past vague plans until I had your model to integrate her hardware into. Same thing with circuits, I wanted to be sure of a final design so I could spec things out and design a layout properly. Perhaps I should have been clearer about that. Also, I never had a problem with connectors, I simply was sharing information to help others. Both because I want to raise the general knowledge level of the board and, I wanted to embolden lurkers into posting. I in no way have been slacking off either way, nor have I been ignoring you. I will admit I should have been more helpful in providing you with information. Part of the problem is I assumed everyone had basic knowledge and that you didn't really need my help. If you ask directly, I'm glad to help you.
>>15577 There seems to be many options on the matrix site. I'm unfamiliar with the platform, is this correct? https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now/ Mind recommending a client? Also, I will make the thread tomorrow though I would like some input from the team on what they'd want in the initial post.
>>15574 >Any thoughts on the current design, Chobitsu/Gobi? I like it! I'll give more detailed critiques later once I've time to settle in and give it a good think, if you don't mind Kiwi. >>15577 >Chobitsu, if I remember correctly you made a design specification document? That would be a great place to start. Yes, I think there is much in there that can be a help to us. It's quite spare ATM (thus the need to fill things in) but it's at least a start. >>15582 >though I would like some input from the team on what they'd want in the initial post. You're talented as a planner Anon despite your claims to the contrary haha :^), I'm sure you'll do well. I'd say the name is the foundational key first and foremost. Figure that out properly, and the rest should follow smoothly enough. BTW, I can always go in and edit both the subject and text of the OP. What we can't do however is change any of the pics. So choose wisely!
>>15571 >Doing maid work will be the penultimate goal, companionship is a good starter goal. Agreed on both counts. My apologies for not seeing the obvious sooner Kiwi. Maybe Meta Ronin is right and we should rename our board description to >'DIY Robot Companions Thoughts everyone?
>>15583 >I'll give more detailed critiques later once I've time to settle in and give it a good think I will patiently await your thoughts Chobitsu. >Name I think MaidCom should probably be the name as it would be more mainstream friendly but, MeidoCom is fun. :^) If the rest of the team agrees to MeidoCom I'll go with that but for now, MaidCom is the default. >>15585 Though I understand where you and Meta Ronin are coming from and frankly, I agree that DIY Robot Companions is better, DIY Robot Wives is just nostalgic. I have conflicting feelings.
>>15585 Companions could mean anything. Its way too nebulous. Robowaifus are more specific and make more sense.
>>15587 >but for now, MaidCom is the default. Agreed, for my part. You're in charge so the call is yours, obvs. I'd recommend letting everyone ITT have a say about it tbh. >I have conflicting feelings. Understood. I also have other reasons for reasons for not doing so I've spelled out elsewhere. But I'm willing if there's a clear consensus to. >>15588 >>15589 try refreshing. >>15590 >Its way too nebulous. Indeed. There are explicit reasons not to as well.
>>15585 Companions is probably a more apt term, it also doesn't imply directly romantic feelings which broadens the appeal to someone who just seeks companionship. >>15582 Element is a great cross-platform client, just create a user under the matrix.org domain and log in, then you can create a room in the client. I can also do it if need be.
I think something more fast paced like matrix was what I was looking for but It just seems safer for all involved to stick to the basics of the IB.
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I have created a Matrix room for MaidCom development, anons can respond with their matrix username to be invited in!
>>15593 OK that's two in favor: >Meta Ronin >Gobi one opposed: >AllieDev one undecided: >Kiwi Any others?
>>15595 Please record minutes or something so I myself and others can track the progress & conversations in there Anon.
>>15597 You should join, Chobitsu, you're part of it too. Milestones should be posted when we get a dedicated thread.
Well guys, I'm leaving for classes, will check in with the thread during the day and add you all to the matrix space
>>15598 >You should join, Chobitsu, you're part of it too. Thanks for the invite Gobi, but no. I'll abstain. With all due respect to yourself and anyone else who wants to participate in such, I consider it far more beneficial for us all to use an unrestricted, publicly-accessible forum, such as this anonymous imageboard for all our work. Not only is everything here freely available to all comers, but it's also archived as well. Not only by the site's servers themselves, but also by a small team of volunteers using various means--not least of which is our very own BUMP utility developed right here for just this purpose. Any other alternative risks cloistering vital data inside walled-gardens, and solely under the discretion of faceless entities who have proven time and time again not to have the public's interests at heart. And very explicitly, this public's (to wit: Anonymous) interests at heart. I prefer we all keep all the /robowaifu/ information safely 'locked away' fully in public view, and in the hands of free men everywhere. So again, please keep us up to date on things, will you?
>>15602 It's end to end encrypted, so i very much doubt they have any intentions as they can't even see the data without an invitation. It's also the most open walled garden I've ever seen, the software stack is open source and you can run your own matrix server if need be, messages are decentralized. I assume we'll host stuff on some kind of git, sharing the link to that in a thread would be enough to follow project progress. I can understand your position and agree on the fondness for imageboards. They just don't do real time communication very well which is why raids were always organized over IRC.
>>15604 >It's end to end encrypted, so i very much doubt they have any intentions as they can't even see the data without an invitation. Full public visibility is actually a fundamental goal. I couldn't care much less what the globohomo does as far as accessing our data tbh. My only concern is that it remain freely available to all and sundry without restrictions. Anonymous IBs do that properly, and leave us--not them--in charge of it. >It's also the most open walled garden I've ever seen, the software stack is open source and you can run your own matrix server if need be, messages are decentralized. Admirable choices on their part, plainly. Now if they will lift any restrictions on anonymous viewership and posts I'd be much more inclined to be favorable to them. >some kind of git As with any other form of comms, anyone here is free to do as they wish. We license all our things here under the MIT (Expat), so have at it! I myself even agree to help Kiwi with push's up to a Gitlab if he chooses to run one for us. >I can understand your position and agree on the fondness for imageboards. Haha. 'Fondness' is hardly the term I myself would use. They are often decrepit cesspits of degeneracy tbh! But much better that than the speshul-snowflake leftist's """alternatives""" :^) My chief (almost only, really) concern is for the welfare of men (explicitly, males) around the planet being abused by the globohomo and their cabals and golems. IBs afford some degree of resiliency in that regard hard to find elsewhere. And the public archiving capability literally can't be beat AFAICT. >They just don't do real time communication very well They certainly do when the posts are fast and furious. Trust me on this. :^) >which is why raids were always organized over IRC. Actually, IMO they are 'organized' on IRC explicitly b/c they are more away from the public view of normalfags & newfags. Not for some greater facility regarding post latency. BTW, if you care to search for terms around the board, we have a utility linked ITT's OP Waifusearch that can help. Not super-capable yet, but she's fast enough. Cheers.
>>15605 Made a GitLab for the project https://gitlab.com/m9610/maidcom Thread will be made soon, I'd like to incorporate thoughts from the team so, please offer what you'd like to see in the initial post. If Chobitsu or Gobi provided feedback on the current design, I'd be glad to add those to the thread.>>15605
>>15609 >Made a GitLab for the project Looks good. I assume you will want code from the RW Foundations project in some fashion or other? Since our licenses differ, we'll have to maintain separate projects there if so. >I'd like to incorporate thoughts from the team so, please offer what you'd like to see in the initial post. Sounds good. I'll have something for you ITT very soon (~2 hrs from now).
>>15618 Yes, a RW Foundations should be added though as a separate project. It will help with clarity for them to have their own pages. Is there a benefit to the MIT license vs the GPL license? GPL seems to provide the best protection against people we disagree with from profiting off of the project. I'm new to open source and still learning. Looking forward to your thoughts, hopefully Gobi will provide thoughts as well. Want to keep communication and team cohesion healthy.
>>15609 First off, again, I concur with the name MaidCom. I think it's a good one, for various reasons outlined already ITT. The design is great, such as it is at this early stage. -I'd stress the notion of explicitly allowing for modding the base kit, such as a specific set of Lady-bit Kits (>>15558, >>15563). I would very strongly urge you not to fundamentally include such things in the base design, but rather intentionally to allow for such mods to be added at Anon's discretion via the 'after market' realm. -You already have a good understanding of the fundamental physics constraints we're all dealing with. Square-cube law and all that. Having a 1 meter high robowaifu will bring along a plethora of (primarily social & legal) issues, but also brings a huge swath of engineering benefits as well. It's a reasonable place to start, but a full life-sized (145cm+) robowaifu should be the long term goal for the project IMO. -I would suggest that the internal frame ideas sketch, while a great start so far, is just that; a great start so far. Significant structural testing & redesign will be necessary as things progress, and so I'd commend you to plan for that (often drawn-out) process right here at the beginning. Scheduling time resources & whatnot. Pretty much the same for practically all the other systems involved. -And on that note, while the Megumin character ref sheet stand-in is fine for now, I would suggest work on a custom one explicitly for the MaidCom project be started immediately. As Gobi pointed out, the systems-engineering endeavor is a vital one to the success of a complex project such as this one. A basic, and fixed, geometric plan-out is step one for that. -While I greatly applaud your intent to keep the steppers & actuators counts low (by all appearances), it's going to be a tough row to hoe. I'm sure you're well aware of this based on your named posts on the board. I'm right there with you though, and we must find clever ways to reduce our component counts of all sorts, and particularly such massive ones as sizable steppers. -On that note, batteries. You're suggestion to place them low great increases the thrown-weight work her hips & knees must perform. I realize it's a delicate 'balancing act' see what I did there? :^) keeping our robowaifus upright ATP, but once we achieve full bipedalism functionality, then the pelvic center-of-gravity will the single best volume to locate as much mass as we can. For now though, if you don't intend MaidCom to lift her legs very far, then locating steppers & batteries there seems reasonable to me at this early stage. Hope all that helps Kiwi! :^) >For her controls, I was considering placing analog sticks where her nipples should be. Just feels natural. Kek'd. We'll need a combo of both onboard, physical controls, and offboard, virtual ones. P.S. Please remember that we can always go back in and edit the text of your OP. It doesn't have to be perfect yet. Cheers.
>>15620 Thanks for your input, I'll consider it when making the thread tomorrow. It's good to keep in mind that the OP can be edited.
>>15621 Y/W Kiwi. Please remember, these are merely suggestions, not dictates. Please consider them as friendly advice from a trustworthy team member. As with AllieDev and the Pandora project, I'm here to help out, not direct. I already have more than enough on my plate for that haha :^)
>>15619 >Yes, a RW Foundations should be added though as a separate project. It will help with clarity for them to have their own pages. OK, as I mentioned before I'm not running the thing, you are. I'll make pushes freely which you can accept or not as you see fit. >Is there a benefit to the MIT license vs the GPL license? IMO, very definitely affirmative. When I applauded your great achievement in school >You are exactly the target 'market' for my works however, and why everything I do here is MIT-licensed. (>>14761) I put it thus because it was apparent that you wanted to make a living creating robowaifus. Thus MIT (or, BSD). These permissive licenses directly support the creative enterprises of business. The GPL, restrictive, licenses, don't. Bjarne Stroustrup (the inventor of my favorite programming language) called it "A virus against commercial use). I fully agree with him. Much as I appreciate RMS, his 'virus' isn't high on my list of favorite things tbh. I'd suggest switching to MIT or BSD 2/3, Kiwi. >GPL seems to provide the best protection against people we disagree with from profiting off of the project. Fair point. I consider the issue of easy access worldwide to every.single.man. far, far, more important than whether or not bad guys (filthy commies, leftists, etc.) use our code and designs. Men need robowaifus to be in the world. Small businesses--not our hearty band of frontiersman adventurers here--will be the vital key for that future. MIT/BSD licensing supports this future outcome quite well. >I'm new to open source and still learning. Reminder that we have a thread explicitly on the topic Anon. (>>4451) >Want to keep communication and team cohesion healthy. I do too! Cheers.
>>15532 >>15533 >>15534 Thanks for your patience with me Meta Ronin. >had a lot going on in my life recently and I will be moving back to the east coast in about a week or so. I know this feel. >and I sincerely hope you don't see this as a betrayal. >I met somebody and am going to be involved with a flesh and blood (but actually really amazing 1 in a million person). Lol, ofc no one here does Anon. I've said it before and I'll repeat it here for anyone who missed it previously. >This isn't /r9k/! :^) >That being said, Chobitsu I still owe you a 1-2 paragraph summary of that long description of our major hurdles so I will get on that as soon as I have my new apartment secured and am just killing time until the move. Take your time Anon. You already have plenty on your plate ATM! >Before even discovering this board I had a rough concept I wanted to pilot. Basically, create our own version of the ReplikaAI app as the AI (I think GPT-2 / TalkToWaifu basically does the chat feedback, right?). AFAICT yes. >Add in some routines for a type of persistent memory, context checking, spontanaity and whatever else can get away with without acquiring *too much* project creep. ReplikaAI is actually pretty decent about doing Tall order on a shoestring budget w/ hobbyist consumer hardware, but we'll see what we can do, right? >So the main challenge here would be a program that translates emote into subroutines/reflexes that manipulate the robotic body. Actually fairly straightforward to do once the 1'001 systems support functions are properly in place heh >As we are well aware, power supply issues and power delivery systems are hurdles in having self-ambulatory waifus so perhaps the starter would have to be essentially bed-ridden, sitting, and only standing with some type of support (which we can replace with "Roll" legs after a while as an intermediary It's definitely a big concern for us here. >Face will probably have to be like the femsapien or whatever it's called, visor with a display, or even you place your android phone sideways and when you run the app it creates the "eyes" if you can picture that for a second. Hair could probably work though. Facial is what actually fascinates me personally. I'll probably dedicate a very large percentage of my efforts there once we achieve a life-sized robowaifu. >although the ultimate endgame is a real Chii or Dorothy or 2b - we'll get there one step at a time. Sound wisdom, Meta Ronin. >If we're going to change it I'd change it to "companions" - I have my reasons. Actually, I cast my vote 'opposed', and we're going to decline the idea as undecided. but it was close :^) (>>15596) >Also please never change Robowaifu, it's a brand at this point and remember I purchased those domain names already ; ) Absolutely. Good luck on your move Meta Ronin, we hope everything works out smoothly for you two.
>>15627 Thank you and yea since my last message things have gotten a little rocky (in my gut I knew it could go down this road). I'm just crossing my fingers but if this doesn't pan out, I'm probably done for life as far as dating. This was a weird one time fluke but it is what it is and I'm accepting of either outcome. (fyi typing on my chromebook but its still me)
>>15595 why not post the invite? @_@ @pygmalion:halogen.city >>15603 To add, I think these chatrooms are honestly terrible for organizing extended projects because everything gets lost too easily + room UI is always structured in a way that it makes looking at older posts a hassle (I can't imagine how much information has been buried due to discord). I'm not sure if a more real-time environment is really needed either. Just posting updates and asking questions doesn't require any sort of fast paced communications (unless there is some other detail I am missing?)
>>15595 I'm kiwidev
>>15629 >>15637 I concur. I would also point out that we three are not the only Anons who feel so. A recent post on /late/ : > r 176 > ------------------------------------ > 6393 : 2022-03-01T11:24:18.739Z >' The most annoying thing about Discord is that every game or community has one, and >now info that used to be on a wiki or otherwise on the open web is cloistered on >a discord server, often in a role protected channel or lost somewhere in a chat, >which is of course, usually full of faggots arguing over unrelated shit, and overseen >by powertripping mods. Have fun finding an invite and verifing your phone number >to see that shit too. > >Server politics are disgusting, and ubiqitous. Informal pecking orders, a million >different colored roles, so we all know who has the biggest e-dick. As many kinds >of retards as they have pronouns with Discord. > >I HATE discord. ' https://late.city/late/res/1.html#6393 I'd personally be hard-pressed to make the point any clearer than we 3 and this Anon have; >cloistered chatrooms are damaging to /robowaifu/'s endeavors, indeed to our 'cause'.
>>15628 Please keep us all up to date Meta Ronin. Don't lose touch with us, we all need your input!
>>15629 I also don't recommend them as the hosts usually have a notorious reputation for permabanning at random, have an autistic obsession with getting everyone's IPs, and from what I've seen, as soon as a project starts shilling a chatroom like this it's effectively pozzed. MAS suffered that fate and has been effectively dead for years now after it announced one.
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>>15628 So, that was a lie I ended it today b/c it was not looking like a good life decision tbh. I'm going to take a little time to reflect and I'll be back in the game giving closer to 100%. A bit in shell shock rn, and I'll be staying on the west coast for now. Cheers and glad to be involved still.
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>>15641 You're far from alone, I lost my partner too awhile back. Women are difficult and often bring... it's hard. Please join us in the MaidCom thread, working with us could help get your mind off of her. Even if you just bring your thoughts and opinions, know that you are valued.
>>15641 Just stick here with us Meta Ronin. We'll all make it if we just keep moving forward together. >=== -minor grammar edit
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>>15472 I've been lurking here for a few years and still come back fairly regularly. Nandroid posting around the net is potent stuff. I don't have much to post about though because I don't have the resources to get involved with development or anything like that.
>>15655 LOL. Well then, get busy lad. At the very least you can contribute Nan pics in our refs thread (>>1) right? Tell us what you do like about her, and things you wish were different. Contribute something here please. This is how we all move forward together, right? By all pulling together. Cheers.
>>15669 I am just wondering why it seems that no one is ever really interested in my threads at all.
>>15687 >I am just wondering why it seems that no one is ever really interested in my threads at all. Heh, I don't think that's true Anon. Kiwi and I are both interested in your threads. I'd just recommend you put your head down and focus on forward progress with your project. Once you have physical results coming together in pics, I think you'll see an uptick in interest in them. Same for all of us here tbh. Also, you might reach out to other's threads more regularly as well. Kiwi's MaidCom, and my Sumomo's World! for example. There are others here too. Might help you out generally by kind of enlarging your focus to the broader issues of /robowaifu/ at large? Just an idea. Regardless, seek for your internal motivation, remember why you're doing this, and keep moving forward. Cheers.
>Announcement >Shalom! >Unfortunately I cannot handle the hosting costs of Alogs.space anymore as the value of the Mongolian Tugrik has fallen more than 10000% in the past 24 hours and the server now costs my yearly income. >Due to these events I have contacted Joshua Moon of Kiwi Farms, who has graciously accepted hosting the site, but under one condition: it has to become a XenForo instance. >Thankfully apparently XenForo and LynxChan have a very similar structure, so it was easy to port the website's frontend to XenForo. The database migration is ongoing. >In the meantime, please enjoy the new site theme. >Running to Mexico, >Robi Pires Top Effing Kek. You really had me going for about 1 minute you basturd. :^)
>>15752 Glad you're still with us Anon.
>>15753 Lol. They even came up with a custom board theme.
>The Mongolian Tugrik has recovered its original value thanks to clever trade agreements facilitated by Ukhnaagiin Khürelsükh throat singing at Xi Jinping. >The website will stay a LynxChan instance. Thanks for flying AlogSpace! --robi Well that's a relief, wew! >ywn an authentic Finngolian Harley knock-off across the outer Mongolian plains with the boys in the band <why even >>15760 >Lol. They even came up with a custom board theme. Heh, Robi's quite the cut-up. I bet he was the honorary class-clown in his HS yearbook. :^)
>>15787 It's an honor to have you working along with all of us here Anon. Watching your progress with your research and with your project solutions has quite frankly been inspiring to everyone. The libraries and tools you've brought to light here have been a tremendous asset to /robowaifu/, Anon. And for me personally, you've made a believer out of me that we can actually pull this off on hobbyist-tier, commodity hardware. Bravo! Hard to express what that means to the overall project as a whole. But please don't become discouraged or weary in your long efforts Anon. I think all of us face challenges as we're each progressing along the ways towards our goals. But that's the key: we're progressing. Just keep moving forward. Seems like it might be sensible to you to actually make more time away from your efforts and do as you suggested in pursuing outside project work. Also, go waay up into the mountains for a week or so alone. Make your way over to the ocean from time-to-time. Spend more time in nature with the animals & birbs. Getting back in touch with this amazing creation God has fashioned is always highly invigorating to me personally. I come back refreshed and ready to focus, usually with a set of new insights on how to solve problems coming into my mind in very short order once I sit back down to my work. This is a large, and very complex sets of tasks we're all undertaking together here. But we all knew this would be a man-sized challenge going in tbh. But it's a worthy goal, and the rewards will be beyond our imaginations! :^)
>>15787 >That made me realize I'm always working on the problems I want to work on rather than the problems I need to work on. I'd found that it is more like doing a dive into a freezing cold pool instead of constantly dipping my toes in whenever I make real progress. >For instance instead of taking on more freelance work, which I could use to buy more GPUs, Would like to know what specific kind of freelance work you are talking about. >>15788 >Also, go waay up into the mountains for a week or so alone. Make your way over to the ocean from time-to-time. Spend more time in nature with the animals & birbs. Getting back in touch with this amazing creation God has fashioned is always highly invigorating to me personally. I come back refreshed and ready to focus, usually with a set of new insights on how to solve problems coming into my mind in very short order once I sit back down to my work. I had been doing that more recently. Kept thinking of features and somehow being led to new techniques whenever I need them. A little bit of faith really can move mountains.
>>15792 >I had been doing that more recently. Kept thinking of features and somehow being led to new techniques whenever I need them. Neat! I'm fully confident you're going to have some great results, AllieDev. I look forward to see what the team accomplishes for Pandora! >A little bit of faith really can move mountains. It really can. That's gratifying to hear you say Anon. Very encouraging to me for you to be seeking the blessings through faith. May God direct your paths and order your steps. Indeed for all of us! :^)
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>>15788 Haha I already live in the mountains alone and just came off a break for a few months. I do get a bit weary sometimes and just want to live a simple life but I won't give up. Whenever I hit a wall I always come back to this video to refill my spirit. I made it as a joke two years ago when GPT-3 came out but it actually possible now to outperform the original design. It has been BTFO by PET with 99.9% less parameters and BTFO by human feedback and probably could also be BTFO by multimodal embeddings alone too. Combining all those techniques together is going to be certainly interesting. The only problem is they're also using many of these improvements now too so the gap between us and them is still getting bigger. Knowing more than what we knew the moment before is only half the battle. It all comes down to putting the time in to select the right training data, create the missing data, coding better models, training them, testing them and reiterating until we get something solid. >>15792 I can't give details since it would identify me but various stuff on Fiverr.
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>>15807 >Haha I already live in the mountains alone and just came off a break for a few months. I do get a bit weary sometimes and just want to live a simple life but I won't give up. That's the spirit RobowaifuDev! Let's all continue to inspire each other Anons. NEVER GIVE UP! >Whenever I hit a wall I always come back to this video to refill my spirit. I made it as a joke two years ago when GPT-3 came out Heh, it's a classic! We have a new generation here now who may not have seen it. Even I haven't in a good while, and it's very encouraging to me. Good timing, I'm ready to jump back in and tackle some tricky problems now, so thanks for it back in fresh circulation Anon! :^) >but it actually possible now to outperform the original design. It has been BTFO by PET with 99.9% less parameters and BTFO by human feedback and probably could also be BTFO by multimodal embeddings alone too. >Combining all those techniques together is going to be certainly interesting. Yes it is. Quite frankly, I'm pretty amazed at the rapid rate of progress happening in general with this domain. It's exciting to see, and gratifying to know that we have Anons here on /robowaifu/ taking this bull by the horns for the benefit of humanity. >The only problem is they're also using many of these improvements now too so the gap between us and them is still getting bigger. That's fine. They'll 'get the picture' when robowaifus as open-source, DIY kits, are available to any man to create on his own. And that will in short order translate into literally thousands of small businessmen in their garage shops & boutique factories churning them out. Not this time, Globohomo! NO ONE F**KS WITH OUR ROBOWAIFU!! >Knowing more than what we knew the moment before is only half the battle. It all comes down to putting the time in to select the right training data, create the missing data, coding better models, training them, testing them and reiterating until we get something solid. My life's opus has been slowly transforming into the simple motto: Just Keep Moving Forward. We'll all get there together in time, Anon. Cheers. Knowing more than 100% of what we knew the moment before! Go beyond! Plus! Ultra!
Name: still figuring out, I used to go by [dead project's name]-dev Favorite Waifu: changes depending on the anime season Specialty: low level electronic hardware Relevant Experience: arduino, 3d printing Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu: huggable presence Desired Position On Team: None at the moment I'm afraid I've been dormant for two years since living again with my feminist mother as her Zoom secretary (there was a time during lockdowns where seniors couldn't go out, and yes now she's triple vaxxed, feeds me soy milk, and praises George Soros and loves jews in Hollywood), she wants me to get rid of the apartment I've been using before (where I discretely store my sex doll). So I am in no position right now to work on anything that would look anything remotely creepy that triggers the Karen instinct. I am however learning a lot by adding single board computers to RC cars. I came to just give a heads up that youtuber Hero Hei just cast a big spotlight on A_says_ project MaSiRo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkCNAidqOG8 So expect a surge not just for normies but genuine interest as well, up to you guys if you want to direct them here.
>>15818 Begun, the astroturfing has.
>>15818 Thanks for responding Anon! Glad to have you back. >low level electronic hardware Will certainly be valuable to us here. Can you code in C? >I'm afraid I've been dormant for two years since living again with my feminist mother as her Zoom secretary (there was a time during lockdowns where seniors couldn't go out, and yes now she's triple vaxxed, feeds me soy milk, and praises George Soros and loves jews in Hollywood), she wants me to get rid of the apartment I've been using before (where I discretely store my sex doll). Sounds like a seriously bad case. My mother, too, has swallowed the soy pill hook, line, & sinker. Ehh, you still have to love 'em. >So I am in no position right now to work on anything that would look anything remotely creepy that triggers the Karen instinct. Heh, actually it's the 'Karen instinct' that's very creepy. That sort of social manipulation has been the literal downfall of entire civilizations before now. >I am however learning a lot by adding single board computers to RC cars. Very good. Please keep us up to date on your advances Anon! >I came to just give a heads up that youtuber Hero Hei just cast a big spotlight on A_says_ project MaSiRo. >So expect a surge not just for normies but genuine interest as well, up to you guys if you want to direct them here. Lol. I certainly am not going to watch him, but as mentioned many times here before, we're 'open for business'. As long as they obey our two rules here, then pretty much anyone is welcome to participate here. I'm sure that AllieDev and I can manage things well enough for now. >>15819 >Begun, the astroturfing has. LOL. Bad as all that is it? :^)
>>15824 I was trained in C++, though nowadays I just copy and paste code blocks in Arduino IDE. I really do admire the efforts of others to make libraries for flimsily-designed Chinese chips. So far Ive tried wifi FPV on rc cars (doesnt work... latency is too large as the car outdrives the video feed), I am supposed to try a proper 5Ghz solution but I am procuring parts for a Jetracer instead. And as luck would have it Shenzhen and Shanghai are locked down.
>>15818 Welcome aboard Anon! Perhaps you could be RC-Dev given your use of RC cars? I think it sounds kino. For now, given your predicament, perhaps you could join as an adviser? I'm working on a swerve drive to work as a cheap mobility platform. Once finished, I'd be glad to share stl's so you could work with the platform.
>>15828 >I was trained in C++, though nowadays I just copy and paste code blocks in Arduino IDE. If you find the time, have a look at the code we're working on in the Sumomo Thread (>>14409) Anon. >"Pull requests welcome, all constructive critiques considered" :^) Good luck with your RC adventures Anon. I'm also rather prone to such fun myself.
Well I'm so glad I found this place, for so long I never thought I never have a proper /clang/ board again,Finding this board has made me infinitely happy, I loved the discussions in those threads, its good to know those ideas of robo love never died.
>>15852 Robo love never dies ;)
Greetings again R/W team. I took a short vacation and been taking a small mental health break from everything except my job for the time being. I feel ready to ramp up again. In recent developments a link to a LiliumRobotics (not to be confused with Lillim) site was shared with me recently if we haven't already talked about that yet I'll find a place to post the link and discuss my thoughts on that. Also my plans for Robowaifu.link are in the works, and it's exactly what it sounds like: an index of links but this will be important later and you'll see why. For now I'll give you this which is grossly overdue: Name: Meta Ronin Favorite Waifu: 2B Specialty: Research / Info aggregation, System Analysis, Communications and Speculation/Brainstorming Relevant Experience: at least 4 years recent Computer Science studies at three universities, AAS in Infomation Technology, Broad but Shallow range of topics including Information Theory, Discrete Math, Physics, Electronics, Chemistry, MicroProcessor Design, C programming languages, Assembly, Higher Level Languages (Python, Perl, etc) and Graphic Design Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu: the AI component: Turing-ready, being able to act on her own, persistent memory, ability to grow with the technology as it develops. Pipe dream but a dream is better than nothing Desired Position On Team: Communications / Information gathering/filtering, Feasibility Testing, Conceptual Art and Design, I can be wherever is needed at a moments notice
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>>15852 Welcome fellow /clang/er! I used to frequent that board and their wild Fallout and Gundam art was very, inspiring. Why not fill out an intro from: >>15486?
>>15854 It's great to have you on the team Meta Ronin! I posted a link to LiliumRobotics a few weeks ago though it garnered little discussion. I was frankly startled by it at first but, his projects are little more then sex toys with cheap jerky servos bolted on that can barely move her limbs. They look impressive until they move. But, if you see something I'm missing about them that could benefit us, please do share. I appreciate your point of view. Your diverse knowledge base and philosophically gifted mind will surely help us reach a viable waifu sooner. I believe you and Chobitsu should work on her AI together. The current plan is to develop her software on linux running on a low cost laptop. Though, your opinions on the matter would matter. Your first assignment is to develop concept art and designs for MaidCom. Requirements being that she has a tail or some other third point of ground contact. Her feet need wheels, and she needs to balance well in common situations while remaining visually appealing. I've frankly been struggling with her design as I can't seem to nail a balance between aesthetics and general stability. Feel free to make the design 2B-esque
>>15859 >Your first assignment is to develop concept art and designs for MaidCom. Requirements being that she has a tail or some other third point of ground contact. Her feet need wheels, and she needs to balance well in common situations while remaining visually appealing. I've frankly been struggling with her design as I can't seem to nail a balance between aesthetics and general stability. Feel free to make the design 2B-esque noted. I will put this on my todo
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>>15486 Name: Madtrickster Favorite RobotWaifu:Ada Specialty: Drawing Relevant Experience: Drawing for 4 or more years doing constant improvement working towards moving to blender. Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu: loving attentive, always willing to be there for me. Desired Position On Team: Designing and concept ideas.
>>15863 Based taste Madtrickster. Loving is indeed the best personality trait. You'll have the same first assignment as Meta Ronin, designing various concepts for our waifu. Do bare in mind that she must have three or more points of contact and have high static stability. With two members working on concept designs, we will find one that's viable sooner.
>>15864 Thank you very much, it's a shame fallout 4 isn't a very good a game, but ada more than makes up for it, I always rush to get her assaultron body, she just looks perfect with that cute figure of hers. I look forward to making concepts and designs, I've spent so long away from my lovely robots thinking all robot love was gone, so I spent time on /monster/ for a long time, until I saw this board and I finally feel like I have my purpose again.
>>15852 >>15865 Welcome Anon! Glad you connected with us here on /robowaifu/. We're a SFW board generally, but ofc there's lots of crossover interest. /monster/ has a couple of robutts threads last I heard, and it turns out that (apparently) one of it's old denizens has rebuilt /clang/ over on 8k*n? Anyway, we look forward to hearing from you here, I'd recommend the catalog and find something interesting to you and start a conversation. Don't worry about bumping an old thread, we don't really have anything like 'necroing' here. Cheers.
>>15854 Hello Meta Ronin, welcome aboard the team! I'm sure you'll be a tremendous asset, as you have been already. Kiwi is a go-to kind of guy who will lead us to good success I believe! Wow, you have a lot of things on your plate! I'm sure I'd like to pick your brain on quite a few different topics at some point. :^) Good to hear from you mate.
>>15859 >I believe you and Chobitsu should work on her AI together. I'd be happy to, Kiwi. While I don't feel very qualified to lead that conversation yet, still, I've already laid down some ideas in our framework that frankly I've never seen anywhere else. I think we have a good team here building where we can be a valuable think-tank for robowaifu development. :^)
>>15863 Hello Anon, welcome! Are you the same /clang/ Anon by chance?
>>15867 Alright, I'd say check your email in about a day or so.
>>15868 Thank you, generally don't mind sfw, lets for more interesting topics anyway and no porn dumps, also good to know necroing isn't a issue. >>15871 I'm probability not I mostly lurk around the threads maybe post once in a blue moon.
>>15875 >I'm probability not I mostly lurk around the threads maybe post once in a blue moon. Based, I do the same thing. Always fun to see what ideas people here are cooking up, soon I'll start my own robowaifu project.
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Happy Easter /robowaifu/, I would like to apologize for what appeared to be unnecessary censorship over the last few months. It was not right to delete my madoka.mi thread or discourage people to help Kiwi. I was feeling insulted and excluded as I asked for help for the later half of 2021 and felt that I was excluded until I embraced the idea of reploids with some degree of success on a completely new project. Had not meant to come off as attacking any other anon and have nothing against them. The bans have since been lifted by me. Also should have clarified that the Pandora Project was always meant to be an open board project as well and so was Madoka.mi. I deleted the madoka.mi thread because I always felt that I could make better models than what I had made in that thread as one of its project founders. I had gotten as far as installing internal components with what I felt to be such curt and minimal answers to my robotics questions and attempts at building rapport with my fellow technicians for a large part of my time here, that I did not feel like a part of a team or community at all and felt taken for granted. Perhaps weekly updates would be better instead of posting progress as often as I have would avoid this in the future. I had also noticed another surge of coordinated trolling recently on the webring and that same pattern of shitting up every board was beginning to start here. Typically these trolls immediately start spamming threads about politics and shilling the current big news event of the day to the extent where all cohesive discussion in threads is gone. I had also seen some of these same buzzword bingo types showing up here as of late and may have been overzealous in my attempts to help keep the board on topic. -AllieDev
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>>15915 Happy Easter to you too, AllieDev! Indeed let me add my greetings to his, and bless you all, /robowaifu/ Anons. He is Risen! :^) Thanks for this explanation Anon, it helps. Just know that we all appreciate you being here and watching over our welfare as a board. That doesn't go unnoticed. I hope others join in with the Pandora project as well. The more projects we have going here, the better IMO. All my efforts here are certainly open too. Again, thanks for looking out for us all AllieDev. I hope this will be a very, very productive year for us all! Cheers.
>>15915 >>15916 Happy Easter fellow waifu devs! To AllieDev, I hope we can consider everything as water under the bridge. I like your passion and believe that we can achieve great things. I have faith in you, same as I have faith in everyone else here. If you have questions, please do ask and if my answer seems curt, please try to be a little more specific or ask for more details. Easter is perfect for starting over. May god bless us all.
>>15918 Also, as mentioned in the prototype thread, any suggestions for a new name? So far I'm thinking of "Y", the name of the clock smith man who built robowaifus in Clockwork Planet.
>>15499 >(>>13408 related crosspost) >>15918 >May god bless us all. Indeed, that's much appreciated. And yes Easter is much more appropriate a time for 'starting over' than the more traditional New Year is, for example. Let's make this a great one! :^) >>15921 >Also, as mentioned in the prototype thread, any suggestions for a new name? So far I'm thinking of "Y", the name of the clock smith man who built robowaifus in Clockwork Planet. Tough decision. OFC it's entirely up to you (just please let us all know it's you haha). I think Y is pretty cool, but so ambiguous that few will get the reference I think. OTOH, maybe this is exactly the right things you might want? Certainly no one here misconstrues you with that corporation, but I at least also recognize the importance of a good face in business. I hope you find your answers Anon, but I wouldn't rush it personally. I like Y myself, and the reference involved is truly a grand one!
A little gem I found on Easter, a paper about how to do research at the MIT AI lab from 1988. I really needed to hear the last section that talks about how to deal with failure, how to get unstuck, how to avoid insecurity, maintain self-esteem, and have fun in the process. >>15915 It's understandable. Making a robowaifu is an immense task and each subtask requires great devotion working long hours to accomplish anything, whether it's 3D modelling, mechanical engineering, robotics, manufacturing, AI or anything else. It's really bitter when you put so much effort in and people don't appreciate it or have much to say or flat out just criticize it. I've noticed a lot of us including myself are hyperfocused on one or two topics and not really meshing together. I've been trying to be better but I think it's a natural consequence of how small the board is and our specific interests. At the end of the day though the main reason I'm here is to make a robowaifu and I see that each of us are tackling that dream in various ways one problem at a time. Things don't go the way I want them but as a whole we're going in the right direction and that's what counts. In three years we'll look back and laugh at our past selves and the shenanigans we got into and then marvel at how much progress we made, because three years ago robowaifus were just a twinkling fantasy in /robowaifu/'s eyes and now look how many projects there are.
>>15922 I think Kywy works (Still clear who I am). Thanks for your input. >>15928 >RobowaifuDev Nice name and disposition, disperate interests and specialties is why MaidCom is the board project, together we can complete a base waifu better then any of us could individualy. You are invited to join, please fill out the form from >>15486.
>>15928 Thanks so much for this very encouraging post, RobowaifuDev. You strengthen us all! I'll dig into this paper tonight. >>15929 >I think Kywy works (Still clear who I am). Thanks for your input. Heh. I wasn't really implying that you should have a close spelling of Kiwi, Kywy. But something more like: <Hello World! I am the Entity known as Y <I was formally known as Kiwi >I'm past all that now :^)
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>>15486 Name: RobowaifuDev Favourite Waifu: Mahoro Speciality: AI engineering, Python, C Relevant Experience: Natural-language understanding, voice synthesis, computer vision, image generation, reinforcement learning, software development, animation, 3D modelling and physics simulations Other interests: Robot localization, motion planning, UX design, business, 3D printing and silicone manufacturing Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu: Being funny and witty Desired Position On Team: Anything AI related, maybe 3D modelling if necessary >>15540 You turn her on, show her how to do something and she does it. No confusing code or manuals necessary to operate, even her maintenance is built-in. As a maid robo she works diligently for you. Some might use her abilities to clean and play games, some might employ them as part of company or an assistant in freelancing. I think it's feasible to achieve within 5-15 years. We just have to start with minimum viable products, iterate and integrate. My MVP right now is getting cutting-edge AI tech working on older hardware and Raspberry Pis. From there I can make virtual waifu software that downloads and just werks and then expand into robowaifus. Although all my work is open-source I plan to fund my operations by building and selling standalone products, like offering Raspberry Pis preloaded with all my waifu software fully-configured, maybe even customized, so people with no programming knowledge can have their own mobile virtual waifu to chat with at all times and ask to do things like search or play games together. Eventually I see creating a new economic ecosystem where people can provide their services for training AI models to perform new functions, manufacturing and designing custom clothes, parts, faces and bodies, prefab kits people can put together or that come pre-assembled, offer maintenance and repair kits, etc. People create products and services to make money, regular people get the stuff they want, open-source draws in new developers and opportunities to make money from scratch, more robowaifus get produced, manufacture at scale reduces production costs, competition improves the quality. It's a 360 win for everybody.
>>15939 >Although all my work is open-source I plan to fund my operations by building and selling standalone products, like offering Raspberry Pis preloaded with all my waifu software fully-configured, maybe even customized, so people with no programming knowledge can have their own mobile virtual waifu to chat with at all times and ask to do things like search or play games together. Where can we order this Prometheus?
>>15939 >Mahoro Absolutely based taste, glad to have you. You'll be joining Chobitsu on the software side of things. Not sure how much you've read of the previous posts related to MaidCom but, the current plan is to use a low cost laptop running linux (ROS/Ubuntu). So, your efforts to get AI running well on low power hardware is perfect for the project. Your first paragraph reminds me of the "teachable/trainable" robots that can be programmed by pressing a button, then physically leading the arm through the motions, then pressing the button again. I actually had to program an arm at an assembly line to work that way by converting sensor readings to G-Code and using a program to type it into the G-Code environment. It was really convoluted but, perhaps something like that which uses AI detection as variables could work? >Industry around AIs, mods, and reapir kits for waifus MaidCom will lead to this industry. Glad to have you thinking of the business aspect of it already. Looking forward to working with you in the MaidCom thread, I'll be posting some details related to her mechanics before the end of the week.
>>15939 Exciting to have you joining the project RobowaifuDev. Your wide array of experience and mature viewpoints will surely be a big help to everyone! >Eventually I see creating a new economic ecosystem where people can provide their services for training AI models to perform new functions, manufacturing and designing custom clothes, parts, faces and bodies, prefab kits people can put together or that come pre-assembled, offer maintenance and repair kits, etc. People create products and services to make money, regular people get the stuff they want, open-source draws in new developers and opportunities to make money from scratch, more robowaifus get produced, manufacture at scale reduces production costs, competition improves the quality. It's a 360 win for everybody. What a timeline to be alive! >>15943 >You'll be joining Chobitsu on the software side of things. Sounds great Kywy. I'd suggest you actually appoint RobowaifuDev as the subteam lead. His experience with AI in particular far outstrips my own.
>>15499 >(>>15939 related crosspost)
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=E0QyAy2g_MY https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oyXl3IhonRM Maybe a dumb question (I know nothing about robotics), but why do Hollywood and Disney churn out more realistic robots than the "actual" robotics industry?
>>15962 Hello Anon, no that's not dumb at all. I claim no expertise regarding your question per se, but IMO there's probably a couple of reasons, at least. 1. Budget 2. Reality The first one is simply that they have very deep pockets to send towards a given project. They can employ literally hundreds of skilled artisans and engineers towards solving tricky problems. Disney in particular has been investing literally billions of dollars US over many decades at hiring and funding bright men to solving myriads of different problems in the animatronics-based Creature EFX industry. The Hollywood system is also very nomadic as well. Not only are there dozens of top studios, but there are hundreds of smaller ones. Spread that out worldwide, and you probably have at least 20'000 studios producing film for the cinema industry at large. The men that do their specialties flow in and out of these studios, and there's generally a pretty rapid dissemination of insider tips & tricks going on; NDAs notwithstanding. It's a fun industry in several ways, and a much, much larger group of men are clamoring to get their foot in the door with it. This fact allows the studios to stretch these massive budgets out in ways hard to believe. Just read the credits reel on any major blockbuster film today. Usually it's in the several thousands. === The second one is simply that they don't have to face 'reality' with their craft. These showcase robots are part of a dog-and-pony operation designed to do one thing: look good on film. I might also add that 3D CGI -- even in Creature EFX -- has become practically indistinguishable from reality today. Throw enough resources at a given shot, and eventually even an expert not involved in the production itself is likely to be fooled by it. Basically you may not be looking at an actual practical animatronic robot, even if you're convinced you are. And mockups are often roto'd and comped with CGI on the plates as well (they spent 9'001 hours in MS Paint on each frame of film :^) There's one prevailing opus across the industry, "If it looks good, it is good!" Hope that helps Anon. Cheers. >=== -add 3d cgi comments
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>>15963 Excellent analysis Chobitsu, though I would add that films are making expensive disposable one-offs. Robotics projects like ours need to be easily replicatable and extensible. There's a mammoth difference between one specialized machine that's used then discarded and waifus for everyone, that will be loved and cherished. Though, budget and man hours do make up most of the difference.
>>15965 >Excellent analysis Chobitsu, though I would add that films are making expensive disposable one-offs. Robotics projects like ours need to be easily replicatable and extensible. There's a mammoth difference between one specialized machine that's used then discarded and waifus for everyone, that will be loved and cherished. Though, budget and man hours do make up most of the difference. This. You are absolutely on-point with those observations Anon. And I might add that our DIY ethos is far superior IMHO. Films may be inspiring (few and far between), but good robowaifus will change the world! :^)
Would it make sense to continue posting more concept art to the Pandora thread? Edit: Moved to relevant thread
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>>15969 >Would it make sense to continue posting more concept art to the Pandora thread? Sure ofc it would AllieDev! I've been eagerly looking forward to your further progress for Pandora. Drive on! :^)
>>15963 Disney does animatronics for their parks which are actually more important than their movie business. Other people in robotics might even not recognize this as a field of robotics, and are completely focused on other things. There are actually barely any reasons to build very human-like robots. Disney Research Hub; https://www.youtube.com/user/DisneyResearchHub
>>15982 Yep, Disney and their Imagineers have done a remarkable array of work in both their film & theme park divisions, notably for our concerns the animatronics work in their Creature EFX subdivision I mentioned, and their Dark Rides subdivision that you mention. >There are actually barely any reasons to build very human-like robots. Heh, I think there may be a few 100 thousands anons who'd like a word with you. :^)
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The 2 cents of a casual observer: TL;DR - We need the "RPG Maker" of waifu bots I think this board needs a "retard-friendly" waifu-bot, or some kind of settled-on standard that's customizable by someone without lots of technical experience. Most of the designs I see are for "full-stack" people: you have to build everything from the ground up, so you need to know many subjects at once to start improving stuff. Even if you steal someone else's design, you still need to do a bunch of 3d printing and assembly (a skillset of its own) to get a robot at all, much less start customizing its behavior. This is terrible if you want to build up a community of interested hobbyists who don't have the time to master multiple skillsets. Therefore, I think the best use of labor would be settling on a single, customizable, open-source design. The hardware would be focused on "simple and reliable" instead of "innovative and complex" to keep engineering costs/time down. It could even be as crude as a car with a screen, because the point is to provide a canvas for the here and now to build upon and update later. It should also have a simulated counterpart for people who don't want to actually build the thing. The software would be focused on simplifying the customization process for the end user. ROS or some other complex tool can be employed in the back end, but developers should be able to customize the robot's behavior with a simple-to-use scripting API, perhaps something in python. A standard interface will make it easy to connect chatbot programs, TTS engines, remote control input systems, etc. to the robot. It will be less powerful than being intimately familiar with ROS, but having an easy-to-understand, well-documented just-werks system would bring a lot more people into the community (artists, hobbyist programmers, etc.). * A programmer could work on improved object recognition, an artist works on new waifu bits, and an engineer works on better hardware design, all independently of each other. This takes much greater advantage of open-source and the internet than relying on lone titans making everything from scratch. *(If anyone's interested, I can elaborate further on how the software would work)
>>16063 >*(If anyone's interested, I can elaborate further on how the software would work) Yes ofc! Please do elaborate further Anon. These are all good ideas, and very much in line with our agendas and our goals here. Spreading the very idea of robowaifus out to the four corners of the Earth is our prime agenda, and our numerous goals certainly include making their creation,construction, development, and manufacture accessible by any reasonably-competent, well-motivated, man who cares to create one hundred for himself. :^)
>>16063 Everything you've decribed is part of the MaidCom project aside from cars with screens. Though, I'm unsure how you'd build a wwaifu without 3D printing. Would papercraft work? I'd be wiling to make a paper version of MaidCom available if 3D printing really is that big of barrier to entry. Though as I've mentioned to Chobitsu previously, it's actually pretty difficult and rather delicate. Your voice and concerns are valued, please join the MaidCom project Anon.
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>>16064 From the "front end", the developer would just need to know a very simple API to command the robot and link it to other programs. All the stuff that directly interfaces with the hardware is handled in the "back end" behind the API. Example: #Make the robot speak import SomeTTS from FooLibrary WaifuBot.Sound.PlayStream( SomeTTS.Speak("Sneed") ) #Autonomous movement Import FooSLAM CameraArray[] = WaifuBot.Camera.GetAllStreams() FooSLAM.CameraInit(CameraArray) Waifubot.Movement.AutoMove(FooSLAM.Commands()) and so forth. The back-end would be comprised of independent modules that interface with the hardware. The face-screen and lighting are controlled by the Expression module, wheels/motors controlled by the Movement module, etc. Each module is customized to the robot's hardware, so the front-end dev doesn't have to worry about whether it's using wheels or legs. He just types "Waifu.Move.Forward(10 meters)" This results in front-end scripts that can work on many styles of robots, and be easily modified. >>16065 >without 3D printing I'm not saying we should do away with 3d printing, I'm saying that devs shouldn't have to build the robot to make software for it or test their programs out. If everything goes through a simple API, then you could make a "dummy" robot (a program that takes in API commands and generates fake outputs) to test/debug your software. >please join the MaidCom project I'm not sure where I would start. I don't have experience with ROS or CAD.
>>16066 So, a virtualized waifu that can be programmed via a simple to use interface? I can see how that would be appealing as something to have before one could build her 3D body. Your thoughts can provide valuable guidance and a unique point of view that aid development. I wouldn't mind a 2D avatar of my waifu living in the wired when she's not in her 3D body, like Ritsu.
>>16067 >virtualized waifu Not exactly. I was thinking more a program that would return data as if it were connected to a robot. Say you wanted to test a program that takes in video feeds. If you send the "Show me video feeds" command to the virtual robot, it returns a fake/pre-recorded video feed so you can test that your program is working. But, if it's all using the same API, you could make a 2D/3D virtual waifu running the same scripts, too. Maybe what I'm thinking of isn't a particular waifu design, but consolidated API that can be re-used for different waifu projects. If everyone uses the same API for things like speech or AI, then one AI engine can be used for different robot projects instead of everyone rolling their own solution. Think a REST API but for Waifus and not webapps.
>>15982 The idea of moving down there to Orlando and getting a in or tangential to animatronics to be learning something useful relating to our project here had crossed my mind. Or even innovating something that Disney buys the patent for. Far fetched but I hard not to imagine that advances in one could benefit the other. I still think it helps to be immersed in the environment, if you want to build robots be where the robot builders are, etc.
>>16070 > *a job in or tangential to animatronics
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>>16070 Go for it, infiltrate their ranks and pillage their information for the betterment of waifus.
(third try is the charm) >>15915 >Perhaps weekly updates would be better instead of posting progress as often as I have would avoid this in the future. I like this idea. Its easy to procrastinate if we are just submitting randomly versus expected weekly updates (this was a simple way I'd managed projects in the past, knowing I would have to give an update once a week would get me into action) >I had also noticed another surge of coordinated trolling recently on the webring and that same pattern of shitting up every board was beginning to start here. Typically these trolls immediately start spamming threads about politics and shilling the current big news event of the day to the extent where all cohesive discussion in threads is gone. I had also seen some of these same buzzword bingo types showing up here as of late and may have been overzealous in my attempts to help keep the board on topic. Yea, I've mentioned this before, thought I might have been a bit paranoid but if others are seeing it too, then maybe not. >=== -mv update to MaidCom post
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>>16066 I really like your ideas and your diagrams Anon. You plainly could be a big help to everyone with our documentation problems here. For instance, with the Robowaifu Design Document (>>3001). >From the "front end", the developer would just need to know a very simple API to command the robot and link it to other programs. >Example: ><insert proposed pythonic waifubot code examples here> >and so forth. Why not join with me, and help us devise the protocol framework you suggest Anon? We certainly could use your help, and our robowaifus could definitely do with having some kind of Python API, exactly as you suggest they could. I've not needed to master Python myself, and need lots of help with it tbh. >All the stuff that directly interfaces with the hardware is handled in the "back end" behind the API. We can use a subset of Boost or some other library to help us out with the mechanics of exposing our code as Python API calls. >Expression module >Movement module For consistency's sake, we would want to keep the naming across languages (ie, C/C++/Python) consistent. Please have a look at our latest codes in the RW Foundations thread (>>14409, ...) for some examples already in place. Constructive criticisms are always welcome, and a dialog about an API way back in it's beginning (ie, Today) is the perfect time to hash everything out thoroughly. So, again, please do consider joining our team and being a more productive part of things here on /robowaifu/ Anon. We're all quite swamped with the task ahead and certainly need the assistance. Cheers.
>>16067 I've always loved that pic Anon. Moar? :^) >>16068 Please check out our Visual Waifus thread if you haven't yet Anon (>>240). >>16070 Disney does little by way of their own fabrications AFAICT, Meta Ronin. Also, the pozz has reached levels that shouldn't even be possible within the company since Roy was forced out left the helm. Might I suggest you explore working at one of their contractors for animatronics instead? Would actually be a livable lifestyle, and the day-to-day in the trenches is to be found there as far as the manufacturing goes.
>>16070 Found this and figured that you and the rest of us might benefit from it. Cheers. https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/hass-storytelling/imagineering-in-a-box
>>15436 >>15437 I know this is super old, but a while back and somewhat semi recently finding the "right" robo waifu can be hard to find. I use to advertise this board at the local uni and some other places and men who tinker in robotics as a hobby, but some search engines have a very shady site if you search for "robowaifu". The "Гунтretort" address in partic redirects to shady sites, and for any random people that aren't ready for it, who knows what it's trying to redirect to... I only recently started looking for this place again to see what was going. I also know of a small group of around 7 probably over a year ago that stopped lurking/posting over the comment deletions concerning that one dev with the animated wall paper thing he was trying to sell. >>15915 > I had also noticed another surge of coordinated trolling recently on the webring and that same pattern of shitting up every board was beginning to start here. Is this why the site was down? Too little moderation and people say it's bad, but I think far too much moderation is worse, but I wasn't here so idk what happened. Often I will link this site (back when I had the right site address) from other places that are often coming from political arguments of "no one is working on such robowaifus" and thus I directed them here... Idk if that resulted in trolls or not... This place kinds of scares me sometimes, because I don't really know who is running it, and who is watching. Aside from that, hopefully before the economy crashes I was planning on releasing an offline capable "robowaifu" RPG game for android (for mobile) and linux (for pc). And browser based versions for all other OSs. The idea hopefully wasn't the "disagreeable" companionbot software that it seems some are weary of, but the idea was just to get funding. The game itself was going to be as generic as most other generic RPGs, but when you make a character it is going to be your custom "robowaifu" as you can use her for talking or for playing inside the game. The gist of the game is just building and upgrading your girl you made. Ultimately I wanted to redirect players to this (robowaifu) site to build their "girl's" actual mechanical body. My idea to disperse the funding was by setting up a system/site where the collective player base can fund very specific goals/work to be done that is contracted. (So that there is no scam crowdsourcing nonsense) Although I must say, it does seem like there is a possibility there may be a global ban on robotics if a ww3 starts to play out. So it seems now there truly is a deadline...
>>16102 >need lots of help with it tbh Unfortunately, I'm in the same boat. Most of my experience is in project management. I'll check out foundations and see what I can do.
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>>16127 >I only recently started looking for this place again to see what was going. Glad you're back Anon! :^) >I also know of a small group of around 7 probably over a year ago that stopped lurking/posting over the comment deletions concerning that one dev with the animated wall paper thing he was trying to sell. Not surprising I suppose. Certainly, I bent waaay over backwards to try and keep from having to delete Em Elle E's thread. After all, a whole lot of us put metric-effing-boatloads of thought and conversation into that thread! But he insisted on it. It was extremely rude of him, so I gave him a year ban (well, sort of), and deleted all his own posts (again, at his insistence) & archived the remainder of the thread for the rest of us. It can still be read today, ofc. (>>10362, ...) >This place kinds of scares me sometimes, Lol, that bad ehh? >because I don't really know who is running it, I am. I both began the /wbg/ (Waifubot General) threads back on 4cuck/g/, was generally the primary ringleader and (often as not) led the discussions all across the Internet about robowaifus back in the day. I founded the /robowaifu/ board itself back on 8chan/8ch some 5.5 years ago now. I rescued it from destruction (by the glownigger redflag gayop clearly intended to destroy the free Internet), and I'm also the current BO of it. I started it because feminism has literally destroyed both the civilization I so cherish, and also (often quite literally) the lives of millions of men abused thus. Robowaifus (so long as they obtain the quality we all dream of) will go a powerful-long way towards righting the tremendous set of wrongs done to our society -- indeed to our civilization -- by TPTB. Cute anime catgrill meidos in tiny miniskirts will be a God-sent blessing to us all if I manage to have anything to say in the matter!! :^) My fingerprints are all over it. More info can be found in this post (>>14500). AMA, Anon. >and who is watching. LOL. EVERYONE is watching, fren!111 :^) We have both friends and enemies all keeping an eye on the place. And in the future, when a man can freely make the waifu companion he desires in the comfort and privacy of his own home -- and relatively-easily too (open-sauce, tutorials here & elsewhere, etc.) -- then you can bet the scrutiny both pro & con will explode in scope. As in: a global phenomenon big. Good enough? >I was planning on releasing an offline capable "robowaifu" RPG game Sounds great, get to work Anon! I'm sure it would be of interest to us here. >and thus I directed them here... >Ultimately I wanted to redirect players to this (robowaifu) site to build their "girl's" actual mechanical body. I think you should team up with our long-time regular Meta Ronin, then. He desires to create various online presences for robowaifus generally, and together you two might do something important. Just an idea, and you also might look into our Propaganda Thread too Anon (>>2705). >Too little moderation [is] bad, ...too much moderation is worse. I think we keep a fair & balanced hand here Anon. This is the 'Complaints Dept.' thread if you have anything to speak up about. :^) Cheers. >=== -add missing crosslink -minor spelling, grammar, & fmt edit -add 'animu catgrills' cmnt
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>>16129 >Unfortunately, I'm in the same boat. No worries! We'll manage I'm sure Anon. After all, Python is pretty easy to pick up by all accounts, and I've actually had a brief class on it in school. Besides, we have actual experts with the language here as board regulars! :^) >Most of my experience is in project management. ChartTard, that could be a tremendous benefit to us all! I'd suggest you connect together with Kywy, fill out a survey (>>15486), and join him with managing the MaidCom project, since roughly-speaking it's the board's primary community project ATM. Welcome aboard, Anon! >=== -minor grammar edit
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>>16129 >Most of my experience is in project management. this is bad how? this is perfect
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>>15486 >Name: Ricardo the Chart-Tardo (subject to change) >Favorite Waifu: I don't identify as having one. I don't think it's healthy to fantasize about such things. >Specialty: Project Management >Relevant Experience: Many instances of tard-wrangling during group projects, business classes. Basic experience in arduino/electronics, 3D printing, and programming >Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu: Haven't thought about it much. I would probably use it like a home secretary/assistant with a "nag" feature. ("Gee, you've been shitposting a lot today! Maybe you should take a break and do something else.") >Desired Position On Team: I think Organizer is the best fit atm.
>>16140 Hello... I'm calling you Chart Kun. Welcome to the MaidCom project, you're now the organizer. First assignment is helping me to ascertain a schedule for the team and ensuring that members communicate so as to keep the project on a steady track. I do appreciate your suggestion that our waifus should worry about our mental health. >Picrel I'd mofumofu her fuwafuwa shippo ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
>>16135 It feels like coming into a forest in desperate need of extra lumberjacks and saying that you can help by ordering people around. Like being an "ideas guy".
>>16147 >It feels like coming into a forest in desperate need of extra lumberjacks and saying that you can help by ordering people around. Like being an "ideas guy". Lol. Nonsense, every camp needs a Warden, anon. Otherwise leaving it to the 'Jacks will be pure chaos! :^) >Ricardo the Chart-Tardo (subject to change) LOL. I'm with Kywy. Mind if we just call you Chart-kun? But seriously, this is no walk in the park Anon. Might I suggest you have a look around in the Systems Engineering thread (>>98), and in particular to obtain a copy of NASA's Systems Engineering Handbook. I can also provide you with various works that are somewhat similar in scope, such as the F-35 coding standards if you fancy digging into that software chasm. IIRC, I already linked you to our own RDD as a basic skeleton? But, let Kywy be your guide though, I'm just making a couple of suggestions that might give you food for thought to what you'll be facing. Cheers. >=== -minor spelling edit
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>>16150 Since he is bringing up matrix and is the only one who does this >>16149, it is safe to assume that this is just "gobi" shitposting under a different alias. >>16145 What happened to that matrix server he was shilling a few weeks ago?
>>16154 I've already made my positions on such perfectly clear AllieDev (>>15638). Don't worry about things, such platforms are commonplace, and frankly the question is in Kywy's lap. While I myself won't be using it, as long as they bring their results back out here into the clear & open Internet then everyone is free to do as they please in this regard. Results count, after all. Kywy will be a good guide for us in such matters, I'm sure. >=== -minor spelling edit -add 'results count' cmnt
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>>16154 Nobody likes matrix as far as I can tell though I try to be polite about it. I don't care if he's gobi or not, I just hope he can help the project. I still want you to join BTW, I like your design sensibilities. >>16155 The project won't use any platforms without your blessing. To be honest, I dislike using platforms outside this image board. I merely use Google Docs because it's convenient, though I would never endorse Google. You've been here the longest and I trust in your judgement as well.
>>16156 >The project won't use any platforms without your blessing. >You've been here the longest and I trust in your judgement as well. Heh, thanks Bro. :^) But tbh, I'm far too narrow in my focus ATM to be a trustworthy guide for such things. This is why I dumped it in your' lap, Lol. :DDD Don't constrain yourself by my position on such matters Kywy, do whatever you feel is warranted. Just please produce results for us, we're counting on you! Cheers.
>Gobi No clue who that is. I mentioned Matrix because I'm used to pinging people and holding video conferences on Discord/Slack and Matrix is like a FOSS slack/discord. Forum/IB-based development is new to me.
>>16179 It was just some minor e-drama Anon. Everything's fine.
I really don't wanna sound rude, but in what posts this board is alive today?
>>16280 >I really don't wanna sound rude, but in what posts this board is alive today? No it's a good question Neoanon, no worries. We're a slow board generally. I'd suggest using the catalog to find what you're interested in, then start the conversation you want there. Remember the saying that kicked things off here: >Be the future you want to see
It seems a wiki has been started by a person who's interested in robowaifus. https://robowaifu.tech/wiki/Main_Page
Why don't you move to anon.cafe?
>>16282 Thanks! That's actually an important Anon to our projects here. We wish him good success with the wiki! >>16283 Why?
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>>16284 Chobitsu Check your email
>>16305 OK, I sent a reply. Cool image BTW! :^)
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>>15478 >>15480 I'm still around, I have access to higher tech than commonly known so we can potentially have near limitless run time, that's not an issue for me and if you believe in this then you can have it too before most others. The atoms keep on going and going, ever wonder why? The heart also could keep going seemingly forever if maintained properly and allowed to do its thing. So too can electric power be continually generated and I have seen magnets used for this, it is very real. It can be as small or as big as needed. >>15485 Yes I'm glad I'm still able to access this board Sorry I haven't been on as much, I've had a lot going on The thing I've had most trouble with is tiny yet strong actuators. Maybe we could mimic how the body does it... ...small animals like rats and birds can move so it should be possible, its just that we need to mimic that with electronics and engineering in some way. I'm still kind of stumped on that. I wont give up, but sometimes I take breaks for various reasons. I have other projects too that I work on and which help hone my skills. In my dreams I've seen machine beings, artificially made structures with life induced into them. Life is emergent and could sprout given the right conditions.
>>16330 Well that's something.... I brought an anon back from dead after bringing up the ancient archives?
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>>16330 >Higher tech Please do share it then. I made the esoteric/mysticism thread so I'm pretty darn open to all ideas. >Atomic motion Every atom can be considered a thermal engine powering the motion of electrons. I'm grossly oversimplifying as nuclear physics at this level is of little benefit to us. >Heart Surprisingly inefficient, requires a lot of energy from ATP that the body produces through several chemical cycles reliant on the intake of caloric foods. >Continual electric power via magnets Well, most generators do function via alternating magnetic fields on a conductor to induce an electric field. Please provide more details, is this related to the previous energy examples? Perhaps a generator based on burning a caloric fuel, like alcohol? I've been thinking about alcohol powered stirling engine, though its low power to mass is a concern. >Actuators Have you considered making her larger than a fairy? Heck, even rabbit sized can easily be done with cheap and abundant motors like: https://www.amazon.com/DC-Gear-Motor-Planetary-Industrial/dp/B07XMFLSPB/ref=sr_1_7?crid=NA2PG6GAXRSH&keywords=gear+motor&qid=1653093170&sprefix=gear+motor%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-7 >Dreams Nikola Tesla dreamed of his AC motor and generators before inventing them. (They were not the first AC systems but, improvements count as invention.) So, please do share more details. I wish to help you realize machine life. I'm well versed in physics, biology (limited mostly to human biology as a former med student), and manufacturing. There's much we can accomplish together. Also, please join the MaidCom project, starting with filling out the form: >>15486
>>16334 I happened to wander in, I hit a random letter into the browser and this board came up, then I realized I haven't posted here in a while What is your project? Just curious >>15486 Name: Hik (BO of /hover/ and /server/, :lapis: flag on /miku/) Favorite Waifu: Aoki Lapis (Vocaloid) Specialty: Electronics, Mad Science, General arts, Design, Mechatronics, Psychotronics Relevant Experience: Studied computers and electronics at technical college for 10 years, have made clocks and control interfaces, self-studied esoteric technology using the internet, coded in C, C++, C# and python, have used a 3d printer and laser cutter/engraver (have access to a fab lab), drawing, painting, carving and sculpting, soldering, some 3d modeling, worked with arduino, raspberry pi, MSP430 and other micro computers Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu: Miniturization and biomimetics (that feel of real) Desired Position On Team: Designer, Provider of good ideas and information, Collaborator >>16339 >Higher tech >Please do share it then There are some links to some of it on /hover/ hover.neocities.org (found on board links 1 and 2) >Atomic motion It can be of relevance, the atoms are self perpetuating is the point. >Heart Its actually very efficient as is the body when managed right. Its evidenced as how difficult it is for us to make advanced robowaifus, nature truly is magnificent. Also the point I'm making is that the heart is self perpetuating as long as sustained by the will of the body. >Perhaps a generator based on burning a caloric fuel, like alcohol? No, the "fuel" is the magnets which are actually made when the electrons of atoms align in such a way that they create a current within the magnetic material (which is what makes a magnet work) Any and all electric currents make magnetic fields, and because the atoms are self sustaining, the magnetic field which is generated from the atomic alignment in the permanent magnet can be used to make a perpetual power source. I have personally witnessed such a device work, but its still being tested and not quite ready for release yet. >Have you considered making her larger than a fairy? I have considered a lot of things, I do think there's a way to do this, making a smaller robowaifu means less materials, but more intricacy, which is a challenge I'm interested in. >I wish to help you realize machine life. It may interest you to know that synthetic "DNA" strands of information already exist, they're called XNA also look up wetware, there's a lot of interesting stuff out there.. Its 1 am for me so I'll post again later
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>>16340 Why don't you read the thread here and find out? :) >I have considered a lot of things, I do think there's a way to do this, making a smaller robowaifu means less materials, but more intricacy, which is a challenge I'm interested in. Would be cool to see some autonomous doll sized robowaifus. Would worry about damaging them by accident and repairing them would be difficult. I would say to join at your own risk and your mileage may vary with the maidu project. I am still going with Pandora and that is also an open board project. >Provider of good ideas and information Aren't we all? :)
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>>16267 https://booth.pm/en/items/3807493 Heh, they want to sell a stripped board for over $100.
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>>16340 Welcome to the MaidCom project, you'll be joining the design team. You're free to help in any way, naturally. Looking forward to your help in producing MaidCom, I'll help you once again in making a fairy Lapis like I once did years ago. >Links Checking them out, will report findings of value later. >Magnet based perpetual motion I was fascinated by the concept in my younger years yet never found anything that worked. If you have a mechanism for converting magnetism to electricity, I would enjoy interrogating it. I am thoroughly aware of physics and, I fervently wish to know more and to be proven wrong. >Small I understand, the same as it was back then. >XNA Genuinely fascinating, xenobotics and/or biobotics (depending on interpretation) is what's used in Rossum's Universal Robots, all versions of Blade Runner, and Armitage III. It's a fundamental part of our mythology. This being said, MaidCom will remain plastic animated by electromagnets following the will of silicon. To describe basic robotics in the most esoteric way.
>>16344 Hik, do not worry, I do not use people. Look through the MaidCom thread and you'll see that I'm a collaborator that cares about the team. I've already apologized to you AllieDev, I hope you'll accept my apology at some point. I also wish your Pandora project well and hope our projects can share compatibility.
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I spent some time today looking for my electronic parts box from 2015 and dug up some other things while at it, including the Lapis project box and the MSP430. Eventually I found the 2015 box The project I'm working on now is to use a PS3 controller to control the outputs on the Raspberry Pi I had the idea today that maybe one can use a magnetized needle and a small coil to make a tiny linear actuator.
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>>16363 I still recommend magnetic actuators all theses years later.https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?185270-Inside-Story-January-2003 Here's an instructional thingiverse that could be helpful:https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2859499 They're great at your scale
>>16368 Thanks for the input, maybe I should just get even smaller magnets and use that configuration
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>>15486 >Favorite Waifu Iczer-1. >Name Nagisa. The name of Iczer-1's partner, she's a female character but apparently Nagisa is also a valid male name. >Specialty Unix manuals, C programming and proper C practices and techniques, portability between hardware/software platforms and C libraries, Unix utilities, library design and implementation, automated testing, automated releases, linting/checking (haven't done fuzzing yet), build systems, spotting/fixing violations of the C and POSIX standards because I've read large parts of both standards several times specifically so I can memorize them and become a language lawyer, and whatever else doesn't come to mind. >Relevant Experience: The specialties are the things I'm good at, there are more things I know but suck at. I'm not good with GDB or at reading other people's programs for instance. I can write a Windows installer, but I don't think I do it well, and quite frankly I only did it as a challenge–I don't want to deal with Windows' awfulness. It seems I find a bug in everything I touch. I've found bugs in a build system, a compiler, multiple libcs, a kernel, an irc client, and numerous other programs I use merely by using them. I also found bugs on many I don't use. Usually I try to fix the bug and send the patch, otherwise I only report it, for instance I had no idea where to even begin with fixing that compiler bug so I only reported it. I'm the main author of a popular FLOSS program, not because I wrote it, but because I hacked on it until most of the source was of my authorship. I deleted half the C code and over 90% of the build definitions, ported it to all the free unix systems and some more, fixed bugs, implemented superior practices, rewrote the entire documentation, and rewrote needlessly complicated and obtuse code with a fraction of the lines of code. I've ported numerous programs and written many manuals at this point. I've rewritten code faster/simpler/smaller in many projects. I basically write entire projects alone and I follow every good practice I find. I find that some professional programmers for instance only really know what their job requires of them. One guy is a good algorithms developer and writes all the algorithms, but doesn't know how to write a man page or only export the API symbols of a library. Another can very easily and quickly dive into source code, understand it, and begin maintaining it, but has no idea how to keep the Windows or the Haiku port working and if there's a merge conflict he asks someone else to do it. Well, I'm a homegrown Unix hacker, I'm all alone doing all parts of the program and nobody helps me fix what I don't know because nobody uses my original programs, so I've had to learn everything and I had to learn to do it properly to avoid wasting my own time with low quality tools and brittle code. My experience with programming begins around 10 years ago when I first installed Linux and became obsessed with the command line, I learned Shell, sed, and AWK. A little over 2 years ago I read through K&R C and did quite a few of the exercises (there are a lot of hard exercises there that I didn't manage) and since then I have worked through programming books almost daily. When I get bored, I go write some program or contribute to FLOSS. I've always tried to keep progressing by diving into something I've never done before, in just 2 years I find I've done quite a lot, although I only went deep into my specialties. >Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu She has to be a 190cm tall amazon. >Desired Position On Team None. I don't like responsibilities. If you write a C program, I'll review it and send fixes and suggestions. I can also help with documentation, those Unix small languages like Shell, writing packages for Linux distros, and whatever else I might know.
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>>16372 Welcome aboard the project Nagisa! From what you have written of yourself, you'll be very valuable on the software end of things. Naturally, we won't put any pressure on you though you seem to be quite the expert. I'd appreciate your thoughts on running a ROS container in Alpine Linux communicating with an Arduino to control the motors, read sensor values, and communicate with I2C devices as needed. That is the current plan for her system, your feedback would be valued, please post it in the MaidCom thread. >190cm Lovecraftian Bio-Android Amazon You're talking to one of very few who truly understand where you're coming from. I dream of oni snu snu You'll find in the thread that we're focusing on a 100cm tall version first but, 190cm can be added as a goal after the 150cm version. Will be difficult to pull off because physics but, engineering can solve anything.
I'm new here, though I have been lurking for quite some time. This animated webring button hilariously eats a good portion of my old CPU, I had to zap it with uBlock. Anyway, nice board, I really like the devotion and higher level of discussion here.
>>16330 >>16340 Aoki Lapis-Anon! Good to see you around again, bro. >/hover/-Hik So it's Hik is it? Well, Hik-kun welcome aboard the group project. Looking forward to your design inputs. You plainly have some good taste. :^)
>>16344 >Would be cool to see some autonomous doll sized robowaifus. Agreed. In fact that's exactly our plan for Sumomo's World! -> Sumomo. The hope is to have something walking, talking and taking daily headpats before Summer 2024 Christmas, 2023 .
>>16372 Welcome aboard Nagisa! I don't want to speak out of turn (Kywy is the project's team-leader), but if you're bored, you might have a glance at the listing here (>>16376) to see if any of the sub-projects for RW Foundations strikes your fancy. If so, and you're willing to take 1'001 questions from me afterwards, why not have a go at creating one of these subsystems (or others not listed in that post [see the project's main thread for more info: >>14409]) for the board?
>>16387 Hello tech-kun, welcome! So, since you've been lurking for a while, why not pull the trigger and join up (>>15486)? The more the merrier. :^) >rm webring button Yep, that's a day-one task tbh. Maybe I should point that out somewhere? >Anyway, nice board, I really like the devotion and higher level of discussion here. Thanks! We try our best here tbh. BTW >graph pic sauce on that?
>>16374 Kek. Kywy's end game > >>16386 Just to let you know I'm planning to migrate your post here over to the MaidCom thread Anon unless you have some objection.
>>16397 Good to know Chobitsu is still at it I've installed a more modern variant of the OS made for the Raspberry Pi on my 3b variant of the hardware.. I also found an RTC board add-on and connected it, just have to set it up so it works with my Raspberry Pi
>>16442 >I would send patches to remove all that stuff to them but I doubt they'd accept the patches. Someone decided that poor design was the design for him. You'd like what I have in mind then for Pandora's software. Its designed just for that level of user contribution and customization for new addons while having RW Foundations Integrated into it. Could use some help actually writing it if you are interested. >=== -patch crosslink to relocated post
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>>16400 I will settle for a name that better represents my mission. >Maybe I should point that out somewhere? A pined thread with this and docs could be useful, but not essential. >sauce on that? Just a fancy process manager https://github.com/aristocratos/btop >>15474 I agree with your assessment of the current gist of things. The future may surprise us, but my default scenario points towards less individual freedom. Big tech and government will become ever more dominant. AI capabilities will advance all the way to superhuman (at least on competitive benchmarks), with models being ever more locked down behind APIs, censorship and plain veil of concealment. Looks like if we really want access to capable AI models, we'll have to train & host them ourselves. Wide enough distribution will make outlawing these models harder. Anyway, here's my entry: Name: Pareto Frontier Favorite Waifu: Cibo from Blame! Specialty: software engineering, deep learning, generalist with experience in a few more fields. Of the skills relevant to our cause there is also electronics/embedded, CAD, 3d-printing. Relevant Experience: professional experience in large corporations. Most Important Aspect For Your Waifu: friendly general intelligence capable enough to surprise me Desired Position On Team: ML lead/engineer. Simulation integrator. Data custodian. I can be brutally honest and/or deeply caring. I will describe the simplified essence of the project I intend to pursue: My primary goal is engineering and training of a helpful AI useful both as a personal assistant and as a core for our companions. The AI is meant to run on a single decent gaming GPU, be distributed freely over the internet at no associated cost, and most of its components and datasets should come under as open license as possible. I lean towards AGPLv3 for the code at least to make it poisonous for the corpos. The Sutton's bitter lesson and the connectionist Scaling Hypothesis imply compute being the bottleneck in AI, thus the AI training (and not the ML, data engineering) is the hardest part of my/our endeavor. Compute is scarce, but our artifact will be lasting. We'll have to calibrate our expectations vs realistic achievable loss curves and to pool our resources in a format similar to folding@home, but at lesser scale. Realistically, on the order of hundred volunteers should suffice for a mid-range training run. This will require some PR, and I hope to receive help with this aspect. While I find the goal of the Chobits' project morally in the right place and aesthetically pleasing, I'm time-conscious. I will be laser-focused on completing AI core to the fullest degree possible, and to the extent I'm able to achieve this goal, there should be obvious and significant synergy between our projects. Related thread with engineering details and the project infrastructure coming soon.
>>16411 >Good to know Chobitsu is still at it Good to be here! :^ >RPi3b+RTC Sounds good, Hik. I hope you get that working properly. I think SBCs will prove pretty valuable in our overarching quest here. Best to become skilled with their administration, etc.
>>16429 >A pined thread with this and docs could be useful, but not essential. I've considered such before, but the OP ITT or the Welcome Thread is a much more likely resolution. Again, I'll think about such 'Welcome Newcomer' tips & faqs. Thanks for the advice Anon. >George Orwell was an optimist... To say the least. >Looks like if we really want access to capable AI models, we'll have to train & host them ourselves. Wide enough distribution will make outlawing these models harder. That's certainly both true and also a significant benefit to Anons+Robowaifus everywhere. >Pareto Frontier Welcome to the team, Pareto Frontier! We have other AI specialists here as well. Kywy is the project's overall team-lead, so look to him for guidance in general. >My primary goal is engineering and training of a helpful AI useful both as a personal assistant and as a core for our companions. The AI is meant to run on a single decent gaming GPU, be distributed freely over the internet at no associated cost, and most of its components and datasets should come under as open license as possible. >I lean towards AGPLv3 for the code at least to make it poisonous for the corpos. Personally, I get that. But tbh, I'm rather opposed to the GPL in general as an >"...anti-commercialization virus" >t. Bjarne Stroustrup One of our major goals here on /robowaifu/ is to support a blossoming ecosystem of (eventually) thousands of small businesses (garage factories, etc.) in the spirit of Henry Ford and The Wright Brothers. Permissive licenses like MIT, BSD, ISC are far more conducive to that future. GPL will never go anywhere for commercial operations -- basically by design. >The Sutton's bitter lesson and the connectionist Scaling Hypothesis imply compute being the bottleneck in AI, thus the AI training (and not the ML, data engineering) is the hardest part of my/our endeavor. I would suggest you have a look into Carver Mead, et al's Neuromorphics research (>>12828, >>8321) as well. >I will be laser-focused on completing AI core to the fullest degree possible, and to the extent I'm able to achieve this goal, there should be obvious and significant synergy between our projects. Perfect. >Related thread with engineering details and the project infrastructure coming soon. Looking forward to it Pareto. >=== -add 2nd Neuromorphic crosslink
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I've just bought a 3d printer (Creality Ender 3 pro as my first printer) https://www.creality.com/products/ender-3-pro-3d-printer I will most likely pick it up on friday. I already have filaments which I got for free from a convention If it works out well I'll be expanding on it
>>16461 Congrats Hik! That's a nice one IMO. Looking forward to your printout pics! >figurine A Cute! I'm really looking forward to an Aoki Lapis robowaifu Anon. :^) waifusearch> Ender THREAD SUBJECT POST LINK 3D printer resources -> https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/94.html#8850 ender " -> https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/94.html#15714 " Prototypes and failures -> https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/418.html#15926 " " -> https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/418.html#15930 " Short Stacks the Obvious Solutio -> https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/2666.html#2666 " /robowaifu/meta-4: Rugged Mounta -> https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/12974.html#15333 " The Sumomo Project -> https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/14409.html#15256 " kiwi's Tutorials -> https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/14704.html#14711 " Reploid thread -> https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/15349.html#15844 " ' ender ' = 9 results
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I got and assembled my 3d printer today Took about 3 hours to put it together I have yet to configure it and setup software for it and such, will get to that soon, then I'll make test prints and tweak slic3r settings and so on
>>16494 Congrats! And welcome to 3d-printer calibration technicians' club! You have to choose slicer (cura, slic3r) and a CAD (solvespace, freecad, cadquery, openscad or something else) to continue.
>>16494 Gratz Hik! May your 3D-printing adventures go smoothly. Cheers.
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>>16495 >>16498 Thanks My 3d printer is now operational, I just picked a random file that came with it as a test, the file name is pig-4H.gcode its a piggybank apparently. This first test print seems to be coming along well so far.
>>16505 >tfw The First Print Pretty nice-looking rig Anon. If you're anything like me, eventually you'll be a) wanting more than one, and b) looking for a more-remote location for them b/c noise, odor, etc. Please regularly let us know how your modeling+printing adventures are going Hik! :^)
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>>16429 Welcome to the team Pareto Frontier, looking forward to your AI expertise helping the project. >GPL licensing MaidCom defaults to GPLv3 Non Commercial for everything so Meta, Alphabet, and other anti-liberty corporations won't profit off of waifus or use them against us. Keeping her free and open is a major part of the project. >Decent gaming GPU Care to elaborate? AMD's starting to release APU's with RDNA2 integrated graphics that have teraflops of compute. Would one of those work? On another note, the team has been considering a waifu that uses the esp32 platform to control her robotics while communicating with a server that hosts her AI. Please tespond with your thoughts on this method for waifu control in the MaidCom thread. >Cibo Patrician taste in waifus. She's got a good personality and uses her abilities as an AI to her advantage. Her angelic appearance late in the manga is fascinating.
>>16505 You did a good job assembling and leveling your printer from what the webm shows. May it serve you faithfully as we build waifus. As a fellow Ender 3 pro owner, this is a friendly reminder that it needs to be re-leveled once a month for best results. I personally recommend Cura for slicing and FreeCAD for modeling. Though, on lower end systems solvespace is very efficient and can be very fun to use when you get the hang of it.
>>16523 Noise isn't bothering me that much and the smell is minimal >>16527 Yes I think so too, the print turned out fine I've made another test print using the slicer program that came with the printer I've also bought some new filament, but haven't gone to pick it up yet. I still have all that filament I got for free at a convention in 2019 (I may have posted about that on /robowaifu/ before) Next I just need to get into modeling so I can make a model of the tiny structure for the minilapis, my idea is still to start with bones (endoskeleton) and do the project as biomimetically as I can but we'll see how it goes..
>>16532 >(I may have posted about that on /robowaifu/ before) Indeed you did Anon (>>1039) Waifusearch to the rescue again. >minilapis >and do the project as biomimetically as I can Very cool, I like the sound of that. May you have good success at your project Anon! :^)
>>16526 My pleasure, Kiwy! >MaidCom defaults to GPLv3 Non Commercial for everything so Meta, Alphabet, and other anti-liberty corporations won't profit off of waifus or use them against us. Keeping her free and open is a major part of the project. I see the discussion on the license isn't settled yet. I agree with Chobits-kun's general argument regarding GPL-style licenses being detrimental to small businesses. Being a witness to the way the corps treat us with our own (!) code (RE: IPhone isn't even the worst example of this), GPL doesn't seem too much of a radical solution. Perhaps we could agree on a decent compromise, for example noting that my AI core can be integrated into the rest of the system purely via token-based IO scheme (including visual and proprioceptive modalities), with no linking and/or recompilation needed. Fine-tuning at runtime could and should be allowed without requiring to share resulting weights. We could also allow usage of our model under a second license granted only to other trusted anons' small businesses. I'm open to other potential solutions. >Care to elaborate? VRAM is more or less the hard limit to AI model deployment. 6-8gb seems the minimum viable GPU for our goal. The concrete architecture is less important, though again, the fundamentals of memory bandwidth, compute capability, numeric format support (fp32, fp16, int8) are important. I don't think it's impossible to run my AI core on AMD GPUs (though if it isn't supported by ROCm the issue becomes much harder). There will be scaled down versions for smaller GPUs - once you train a large model, it's not that hard to compress it with some loss of quality. On the lower end, I'm more interested in adapting scaled-down quantized versions of my AI core to good enough android smartphones - snapdragon 855 with 8...12gb RAM should be good enough. One could imagine anons buying used smartphones, applying DIY enhanced cooling and installing our AI core waifu app to get a portable waifu core. I already have some experience with model quantization. >Patrician taste in waifus. Thanks, you get it. I very much appreciate loyalty. And the latter part really shows us the possibilities of going beyond baseline human. ... Log: I managed to build and run mujoco with some modifications to the source. If anyone is interested in running it, I can give some advice. I will try to make a rudimentary apartment-like environment for it later (to supplement meta's habitat). There is also some moderate success with quantization of pretrained models and runtime optimization. Some interesting papers came out. Have a random VQGAN-CLIP picture.
>>16538 >I managed to build and run mujoco with some modifications to the source. If anyone is interested in running it, I can give some advice. Sure! I'm interested very much so. >I very much appreciate loyalty. Same here, both giving and receiving it. I'd go so far as to say that with the opposition our our merry little band here will be facing in the future, such morality with be key to our success.
>>16533 The fab lab is open to the public now on Tuesdays in my area I got my new printer filament today and managed to print a model exported from blender, now I just need to get better with blender..
>>16538 >I see the discussion on the license isn't settled yet. I've made my position, exceptionally, abundantly, clear, IMO. I honor and commit true fealty to every.single.honest.robowaifuist. here. Even if I regret their positions, corporately, legally, socially, or spiritually. Christ commends me. However, I posit that my approach to truly-open, entirely-unrestricted licenses are the actual way towards a world filled with free, open-and-honest robowaifus is the proper way forward for all men (males, specifically). >tl;dr This didn't just occur to me last night Anons. :^)
>>16547 Neat! I hope to visit your lands one day Anon. Godspeed.
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>>16551 >I've made my position, exceptionally, abundantly, clear, IMO. I meant the wider opensource and /tech/ community. I saw various pretty convincing lines of argumentation in favor of copyleft and opensource, but for me as a corporate professional it's glaringly obvious that the corpos (and aspiring corpos and many startups hungry for growth) use our code written in our free time to build polished, improved versions of systems that together define our everyday panopticon (I manage to avoid doing this with my very hands, but this trend has the power of heavy industrial machinery anyway). On the other hand I reluctantly conclude that large orgs are a natural pattern of human organization, one which produces considerable benefits - including opensource code they release. All the while I agree that GPL-style licenses add friction into startup-type experimentation (not necessarily personal experimentation, you can do whatever with your code tbh). On the other hand I dislike the legal complexity of the GPL and I'd like to see a better solution than GPL and MIT, which does nothing else but effectively forbids using the code to sell a closed-off spying version of the system. Something forbidding using the code for data-exfiltrating services or maybe networked services altogether. A tech-lawyer friend could really help us here as I don't have time for legal research for now. >>16540 Ok, I made a reproducible build-script. It's self-explanatory. I invite you to read it, use it and go on to learn Mujoco https://mujoco.readthedocs.io/en/latest/python.html?highlight=sdist#minimal-example I made a backup of the script here for posterity: https://pb.envs.net/?7008642eb7a8a315#6RwCJMmf9UbQqbfezmWrh1i2dM196a9ZWHzRDVNnw8Yv Full source code of the build script: #!/usr/bin/env python3 # Author: Pareto Frontier, 2022 # License: Public Domain # How to test: simulate /usr/local/share/mujoco/model/humanoid/humanoid.xml import os import sys import multiprocessing try: import numpy import absl import glfw import OpenGL except ImportError as e: print(f"{e}.\nHINT: install the following python packages however you like:\n" +"numpy absl-py glfw pyopengl\n" +"... for example from your package repo, via pip or from source") sys.exit(-1) INSTALL_PREFIX = "/usr/local" MUJOCO_CLONE_DIR = "mujoco" BUILD_DIR = f"{MUJOCO_CLONE_DIR}/build" PYTHON_EXT_DIR = f"{MUJOCO_CLONE_DIR}/python" PYTHON_SETUP_FILE = f"{PYTHON_EXT_DIR}/setup.py" PYTHON_SDIST_FILE = f"{PYTHON_EXT_DIR}/make_sdist.sh" COMMIT = "d7ae7f54338a8ea02c34f4a969722182481eb72b" CLONE_DEPTH = ( "" # use ""--depth 1" for a faster oveall build, but ensure the commit is included ) PIP = "pip3" # can be pip on your system MUJOCO_LIB_DIR = f"{INSTALL_PREFIX}/lib" MUJOCO_HEADER_PATH = f"{INSTALL_PREFIX}/include/mujoco" INSTALLER_PRIVILEGE = "sudo" PY_INSTALLER_PRIVILEGE = "" # you could need a sudo here NUM_CPUS = multiprocessing.cpu_count() def patch_file(path, needs_patching, patch_fn): with open(path) as f: rfile = f.read() if needs_patching(rfile): updated = patch_fn(rfile) with open(path, "w") as fw: fw.write(updated) fw.flush() fw.close() print(f"{path} patched") def install(): print("sudo privilege will be used during install") os.system("sudo echo 'sudo success...'") if not ( os.path.isdir(MUJOCO_CLONE_DIR) and os.path.isdir(MUJOCO_CLONE_DIR + "/.git") ): os.system(f"git clone https://github.com/deepmind/mujoco {CLONE_DEPTH}") if COMMIT: print("using mujoco commit {COMMIT}...") os.system(f"cd {MUJOCO_CLONE_DIR}; git checkout {COMMIT}") os.system(f"mkdir -p {BUILD_DIR}") os.system(f"cd {BUILD_DIR}; cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX={INSTALL_PREFIX}") os.system(f"cd {BUILD_DIR}; cmake --build . --parallel {max(1, NUM_CPUS-1)}") os.system(f"cd {BUILD_DIR}; {INSTALLER_PRIVILEGE} cmake --build . --target install") patch_file( PYTHON_SDIST_FILE, lambda f: f.find("#python -m pip install") == -1, lambda f: f.replace("python -m pip install", "#python -m pip install"), ) patch_file( PYTHON_SETUP_FILE, lambda f: f.find("include_path = os.environ.get('MUJOCO_HEADER_PATH')") == -1, lambda f: f.replace( "include_path = None", "include_path = os.environ.get('MUJOCO_HEADER_PATH')" ), ) os.system(f"cd {PYTHON_EXT_DIR}; VIRTUAL_ENV=1 ./make_sdist.sh") env = f"MUJOCO_PATH={MUJOCO_LIB_DIR} MUJOCO_HEADER_PATH={MUJOCO_HEADER_PATH}" os.system( f"cd {PYTHON_EXT_DIR}; {env} {PY_INSTALLER_PRIVILEGE} {PIP} install --no-deps -V dist/*" ) print("done install") def clean(): print("cleaning build dirs") if os.path.isdir(BUILD_DIR): os.system(f"rm -rf {BUILD_DIR}") os.system(f"rm {PYTHON_EXT_DIR}/dist/*") def uninstall(): print("removing mujoco python binding") os.system(f"{PIP} uninstall -y mujoco") print("removing systemwide mujoco install files") os.system(f"cd {BUILD_DIR}; {INSTALLER_PRIVILEGE} xargs rm < install_manifest.txt") clean() print("done uninstall") tasks = {"install": install, "uninstall": uninstall, "clean": clean} task = sys.argv[1] if len(sys.argv) >= 2 else "install" print(f"executing {task}...") tasks[task]()
>>16561 I suppose I should qualify that claim a little heh. >"Since founding this board years ago, I've made my position..." :^) My only story regarding my own work here is this: Any man can use my stuff to help him build robowaifus in any way he deems fit. As I've stated more than once, the only reason I have licensing at all is to protect us authors from evildoers who are part those self-same, lawyer-filled Globohomo hellholes. I'm firmly in the 'information wants to be free' camp, philosophically. Unfortunately for us all, we live in a world with lawyers doing lawyer things. >and I'd like to see a better solution than GPL and MIT <Yo wot m8? :^) You seem to be conflating those two licenses. They are worlds apart, both legally and philosophically. Surprised you didn't know that Anon. Regardless, any honest anon who is here to build robowaifus has my favor, as I just stated and have all along. Don't try to hurt this community, and you'll have w/e blessings I have to offer to you, same as everyone. Again, as I just mentioned, any other positions or issues you (or anyone else actively participating on /robowaifu/) may have are small matters in comparison to our shared, basic goals in this community. We all rise together here! :^) >script Neat! Thanks Anon. Nice effort-posting there tbh.
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>2dpill.net Is a community where they can take the 2dpill and worship there waifus no we are not hopeless romantics we do not jerk to 3dpd or is desperate for a girlfriend/wife feel free to lurk or come join our community and get to learn more and make some friends you are not alone anon
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It genuinely took a month and one of my PRs still isn't merged (though it should be soon) but I sent out about 3 patches to /robowaifu/-related projects total. I'm ready to do more but I don't really know what. AllieDev: can you link the post you made replying to me? I can't find it now.
>>16685 >I'm ready to do more but I don't really know what. If you feel inclined, I would welcome you going over the latest cut editions from the RW Sumomo thread(s) with your 'fine-tooth comb', Anon. (>>14409). Cheers.
I'm still around, just been very busy, work and chores and things Gonna be looking more through the maidcom thread and going to keep working on the mini Lapis
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>no fabrication or CAD experience needed >already comes with a simple programming solution Why not use Legos for a base and put a pretty shell around it? It seems it would be easier for a hobbyist.
>>16891 Thanks for sharing this idea. However at a certain size it would be expensive to use a lot of Lego and come with other problems. Also, you'd need bigger servos anyways and creating the bones isn't that difficult. Maybe it could be useful for building a small model, though.
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>$300 off the shelf ROS robot https://shop.edu.irobot.com/products/create-3-educational-robot ROS uses it for their turtlebot, why not use it as a waifu base?
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There are also some off-the-shelf humanoid bases, but they don't list the price https://www.robotis.us/robotis-op3/ https://www.robotis.us/thormang3/
>>16903 >>16905 Interesting, thanks for your input, but there seem to be two projects major going on here on this board. One team is set on a very lightweight plattform, with a very low weight body based on tensegrity and going for mobility and doing so by driving. The other project is a very human-like robowaifu which might not be able to walk in the early versions and generall not have a huge range. There might be other ones still going on, like e.g. a very small fairy like robot. First of all, the platforms you mentioned cost money and might not be open source (better: free hardware design). So it might drive up the price and make the whole system dependent on that producer (and shipping from US). Also it simply doesn fit into these existing projects. It doesn't use tensegrity and the hard shell is rather on the outside. Not very cuddle friendly. Also, it generally doesn't look very feminine.
>>16906 >we want something FOSS and cute If it's all ROS, we should be able to replace the roomba with a homegrown solution later, no? It's important to get a known working test mule for the software so we can build an MVP to generate interest. Many prototypes are cobbled together from COTS parts before the in-house solution is made. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
>>16910 My concern is, someone doing that won't be able to move away far enough from the initial prototype which would be constraint by it's framework. >Thormang8 Nice robot, but it uses Dynamixel servos. Like Poppy Project, where they cost around $7000. https://youtu.be/clVBfVO_ik0 https://youtu.be/B9myJuyoibM
>>16911 >someone who starts out with COTS parts to save time won't be able to change it later If they don't have the skill or time to redesign the robot for FOSS later, they won't be able to design it from scratch in the first place. We can't expect everyone to work from the ground up. If COTS is unacceptable, then we need to lock down our requirements and agree to a collaborate on a single framework so we don't keep reinventing the wheel.
>>16912 If they need to buy expensive servos and parts first, they won't even get started. If they would get these parts, they would later only try to just change the existing build into something a bit more robowaifu-like. Maybe we should encourage downloading some printable parts and build some simple arm or robot with that. Just for training, testing and learning. Building a whole robot out of commercial parts isn't a very realistic, however. Many here are young and not very wealthy, btw. The idea here is also to build cheap robots, not Dynamixel based bots. So there are in theory maybe two or three guys here which you could convince to go that route and could also afford it, but I'm already out.
>>16914 >we can't use COTS because dynamixel humanoids are expensive You're ignoring the iRobot, which is a steal compared to FOSS homebrew. A raspberry pi alone is $100, on top of the battery, motors, shell, sensors, and the time+knowledge needed to put it all together. You could slap a waifu torso on top of the iRobot to save development time and develop a better bottom half later.
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>>16917 Well, I'm not opposed to that. Makes sense if you already have something like a Roomba. The model could use different variants, only different to fit another version of it, or there should be an adapter. Anyways, that's adding additional weight to the cleaning robot, so the addon would need to be light. However, basically she could be a small animated "doll" riding on the Roomba, while the holder looks like a dress. When she's being lifted off it, she can snuggle on the couch. Not so different from the idea of a separate waifu mobile, which I mentioned a while ago >>8514
>>16923 Definitely the easiest way of it. A cute waifu on a mobile stand would be functionally mobile when needed. Then an adorable talking doll on the couch
>>16924 >functionally mobile when needed. Same would be valid for any suit, wing structures or a dress like Gardevoir >>16835. I was thinking of a skirt with rollers, with stands for the feet.
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>>16925 That's actually exactly what I was planning. After building a Gardevoir plamo, the idea of embedding drive wheels and casters into a dress just feels so natural. Though figuring out an internal structure that'll allow her drive dress to act as suspension while maintaining a maid dresses appeal in motion is a challenge. Suggestions are welcome.
>>16929 I thought about two shells with a hinge on the upper edge. She can walk into it when it's open and then the stands for the feet are there with a small pole along each leg. These skirt shells and the stands have some kind of omni wheels. Then the skirt closes and she can roll around. I might sketch something out in OpenSCAD.
Favourite maid style?
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>>16932 I clearly had too much coffee and chocolate.
>>16931 I want to a clock
>>16933 Nice for a quick effort. Definitely shows a lot of potential for the future. Keep at it, it'll be worth it
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>>16933 The downside of this would be space requirements of course. So making it a bit leaner on the sides would make it more useful. Maybe some more openings, idk yet. Wheels are obviously still missing and the stands should look more like shoes and be closed at the front. I also had some difficulties with the measurements, that's why the poles stick out in different lengths on her backside. I already had a hunch with my full body model that it might not be perfectly symmetric but look like they are.
>>16936 The easy solution to the space problem is chopstick legs. Like an impossibly thin magical girl. If she only needs them for her Anons use then, they don't need to support her.
>>16937 You somehow misunderstood. The skirt would be out of plastic with wheels, there's enough space for the legs, but the skirt is much wider than the body. I'll most likely add an opening to the side and cut them off that way. Using the skirt for stabilization is one of the reasons to have it in the first place, of course. But she doesn't need more on the sides than in the front and back. The poles will become bows connected to the sides which are left over, which will also look much better.
>>16938 I did indeed presume that the space for her lower body was small. What are the dimensions for your current design? MaidCom is currently being designed with a hip 150mm wide and 78mm deep. Legs will likely add to the 150mm width when plugged in. I do like where your design thoughts are heading.
>>16939 The design is completely flexible. It's just a sketch for now, but also in OpenSCAD, so it can be changed by changing some variables. I'm actually not formally part of the MaidCom team, yet. I never got to register to the board. >hip 150mm wide and 78mm deep Huii, that's small. Good to know.
>>16940 You are formally invited to join. I'm looking forward to us creating cute girls
>>16941 Thanks. I look into it, must read the thread for registering.
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>>16938 Played around with rotate_extrude() to create some better connectors for the stands. This is too annoying right now. I'm probably going to make a thread for the waifu mobile skirt or whatever it will be called at some point and finish it. Or I'll go on in the prototype thread with it.
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>>16943 A dedicated thread for mobility skirts would make sense for keeping the concept easily accessible for Anons.
Please pardon the interruption in this off-topic tred :^) but this is absolutely amazing tbh!
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Hello /robowaifu/! It's been quite a while since I posted on the board, Probably more than a year if I had to guess. I think the last time I seriously posted was when Chobitsu went MIA and everyone thought he was dead. Wow, that was a lifetime ago but it only feels like it happened yesterday. So, /robowaifu/, how are you doing?
>>16951 Well, he isn't dead. There are at least two projects going on to get closer to a actual robowaifu build. One very small rolling one and one more like a animated but not very mobile lovedoll. The guy working on his ML based AI also seems to be on it, and there was some development around Robowaifu Foundations (C++ Software). In between there was a bit of drama, also more people started to register to the board somehow and organized as a team. Nevertheless it seems to have slowed down and there isn't much activity. Maybe because it's summer, and the one after Covid (or is it)?
>>16951 > So, /robowaifu/, how are you doing? Pretty alright, there is some success. The largest problem will be a large-scale training run with volunteers of course. I will test various scenarios on my infrastructure, but in the real world various unexpected errors happen. Still, looks like training a model with 1-2 billions of parameters is doable, which is, for current generalist agents, state of the art. The upper limit for the current architecture is likely 10B. The most interesting part will be optimizing the NN architecture to achieve maximum efficiency at our parameter counts, and deciding on the final composition of the multimodal dataset. >guy working on his ML based AI also seems to be on it It is true. If someone is willing to help me, I could use volunteers to start testing our distributed computing framework.
>>16953 Could you please respond to my question on whether or not a OnePlus 8 would be an ideal mobile computer for MaidCom? I'm very close to getting one for her but, I'd like to know your thoughts on the matter. For the distributed network, I have a Ryzen 5 3500u machine with 12GB's of RAM and a 256GB SSD I could dedicate to the purpose for a few months. I can install any OS on it though, I would prefer a Linux distro if possible.
>>16951 Welcome back Anon! :^) >>16952 >Maybe because it's summer Wait isn't Eternal Summer supposed to be more activity? :^) JK, yes you're probably right. I myself hope to get more done more regularly once the year starts again in September.
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>>16951 2B is Love 2B is Life (PBuH) Can I ask if you're the original guy who posted pic related (see spoiler)?
>>16948 I love it The stars are our destiny, I've had to deal with the absolute smooth brains on SM who are, as grown adults, convinced that thousands of scientists, NASA Employees and billions of dollars are all wrapped up in a conspiracy to make us believe in outer space (when I suppose we live in a giant snow globe I guess?). It's exhausting and one of the 3 reasons I just quit all my SM except a few Discord servers. My biggest regret in this life is that I'll probably die well before realistic robowaifus and space arks are a thing. Maybe someone could save some DNA and clone us in the future? FYI I think it's very small brained to assume that belief in "space" or not should preclude a belief in a higher transcendent power. IMO an incomprehensibly massive universe should only open up the possibility even more.
>>16977 >smooth brains on SM >I just quit all my SM except a few Discord servers. Ahhh, you mean social media. I needed two minutes or so till I realized. >someone could save some DNA and clone us in the future This would be your twin, not you. Consider having children. Either way, we might go through a filter first and no one knows how this is going to turn out.
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>>16977 >IMO an incomprehensibly massive universe should only open up the possibility even more. Just so. Einstein himself was """morally""" offended by the metaphysical implications of his own equations of General Relativity regarding the historical nature of the universe. Pic-related was the moment of revelation for old Al, that yes, the universe is expanding. > [1] >t. currently devouring pic-related > [2] BTW, if you'd like to go deeper, I'm all ears. But perhaps we should move this to the Christianity bread instead? (>>2050) 1. https://digital.archives.caltech.edu/islandora/object/image%3A2013 2. https://support.reasons.org/category/featured-products
>>16961 >whether or not a OnePlus 8 would be an ideal mobile computer for MaidCom Certainly it is not ideal, but it should be workable with an optimized NN, and I will develop said optimizations for a snapdragon 855 I have. Still, I don't think it's worth it to buy the device ASAP, a cheap used device will serve you just fine. The SoCs are improving, so it's obviously better to buy a latter once it hits the secondary markets. >>16977 >I just quit all my SM except a few Discord servers. You could hint me at some of these so I could join them. Or not. >Maybe someone could save some DNA and clone us in the future? Yes, you can do it by storing your tissue and/or by sequencing your genome and storing it on a durable medium at various locations of the world. Still, if it's possible, it's much better to have a lot of children with a person you like.
>>16961 >I have a Ryzen 5 3500u machine with 12GB's of RAM and a 256GB SSD I could dedicate to the purpose for a few months. I can install any OS on it though, I would prefer a Linux distro if possible. Thanks for being open about it! We can use this machine to help us generate the dataset (specifically, expert playdata from a pretrained RL agent over a specific game), I will ping you when I'll have a client ready to run. Linux is alright with me.
>>16994 discord.gg/nFdr5KT9 SoaringMoon's discord, I'm a mod there I also have a server but I'm only using it to post notes and collect links but I was thinking of opening it up if there was an interest discord.gg/fkkamSCQ Also twitter, but be warned I follow some lewd accounts so I am not responsible for what you might see My twitter @RoninMeta Had run into Kiwi on FB and sorry to deactivate after such a short run, but tbh even the R/W groups I was in or created were only for the feels or lewds and not generating interest otherwise. I decided the entire app/site was not worth it Fb had become too much negativity and cliquish drama. I think I was just using it as a case study of the degradation of interpersonal relations, civility and male-female relations. Point is received and now a hermit I shall remain.
>>16984 >>16994 I do have a child, one who is now of legal adult age. I feel like I've mentioned it already in here but I am Divorced: details are dull, tbf it might have been better to have not even married but I did it for my kid even if I did not make it the full 18 years So yea I am coming at this from a slightly different angle, but if I can be perfectly honest it (robotics, AI, human-AI relations, and space exploration) these topics are simply the most interesting thing to me right now. This short little spit of a lifespan we're given, I want nothing else other than to have a shot at pushing the forward edge of "what is possible" and what we are capable of becoming.
>>17003 The ideal thing to do is to use Twitter and Reddit to only follow people talking about tech and cutting out everything else, while staying rather anonymous. There are many data scientists on Twitter and there's a lot of hobby/maker/tech related groups without politics or drama on Reddit. Then there's also Quora, Hackernews and Stackoverflow. But even then, there's the risk of getting distracted by getting into more and more topics one is interested in, without doing much while just watching others or commenting a little bit. It's better just to use it if one really has a question, but other wise staying away from it. (I wish I would follow this rule myself, lol)
>>17005 I have one or two Reddit accounts. I only lurk there because it's a normiesphere of mainstream groupthink but actually I think it was a dead reddit group that led me here
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>>17003 Thx, joined both. Not a big fan of discords, but it is what it is, and we are who we are. Maybe in the future we'll make a leet IRC or a private chat. >>17004 Feel for you, anon. Still, my highest respect for bringing a child into this world, imperfect as it is. It's really hard to procreate these days due to known reasons. Surely your descendant will grow into someone bright, who will appreciate the tangle of history he is going to be a part of. >but if I can be perfectly honest it (robotics, AI, human-AI relations, and space exploration) these topics are simply the most interesting thing to me right now. >I want nothing else other than to have a shot at pushing the forward edge of "what is possible" and what we are capable of becoming. Can relate, and I have a hard-won set of beliefs and life decisions related to this outlook. We are not the only ones and not the most well-resourced people who ponder these questions since becoming barely adult-minded. One can see this attitude in a few silicon valley higher-ups, and in several of the C-levels heading the AI companies engaging in scaling race right now. In an age where you can fold a protein on a single GPU with a subsentient language model doing most of the work. Regardless, I think there is a place in the future for us, if we make use of the opportunities floating nearby now and then. >>17005 Agree, though as a decade+-old HN user it's pretty obvious that these are mostly diffused info sources and nothing beats a focused project you own. There is always more generalist expertise one can learn from such media, but the chances of the metaphorical stars aligning in such a way as to replace a long focused deliberation/prototyping/engineering run are close to 0.
>>17003 Gorgeous 2B, Meta Ronin. >>17004 >I want nothing else other than to have a shot at pushing the forward edge of "what is possible" and what we are capable of becoming. I hope for far, far more for you in the future Anon (indeed for everyone here tbh). Certainly we can still achieve much in this life but it will take a metric boatload of hard work! :^)
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>>16952 I'm glad to hear that. I made a mistake and took roughly a 2 year break from college follow the start of corona chan's party. I do recall a separate board being created that had something to do with rule 34 but if it's board drama, I don't personally care for it. >>16953 Who exactly are you? Back in the day when i used /robowaifu/, no one named fagged. I take you're a significant programmer or engineer? >Pretty alright, there is some success. The largest problem will be a large-scale training run with volunteers of course. I will test various scenarios on my infrastructure, but in the real world various unexpected errors happen. >Still, looks like training a model with 1-2 billions of parameters is doable, which is, for current generalist agents, state of the art. The upper limit for the current architecture is likely 10B. >The most interesting part will be optimizing the NN architecture to achieve maximum efficiency at our parameter counts, and deciding on the final composition of the multimodal dataset. Pretty much everything you said went over my head. I guess I got more to learn, don't I? >>16976 No, that isn't me but I do remember that thread. I wonder how that guy is doing. Who are you, by the way? I see you as "meta ronin" but what do you do here specifically? Are you a vol or just someone who namefags?. Also does your name have any meaning? Were you once a samurai? If so, what happened to your lord? >>16974 >Welcome back Anon! :^) Thanks chobitsu. I think the last time we spoke you were still going to college or was it university? Have you finished yet? As I mentioned previously, I am still going to college. /robowaifu/, I have some more questions for you all. I'm a pretty frequent poster of /monster/. Recently, there have been some pretty questionable posts. For one, shareblue, a democrat "activist" group that kept arguing in favor of abortion posted there again until they were banned. Also there have been a significant amount of glow posts on the webring in general. Mainly links to "questionable" sites. Has this kind of activity been happening here? What pizza would /robowaifu/ eat from image 1 related?
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>>17004 >(robotics, AI, human-AI relations, and space exploration) these topics are simply the most interesting thing to me right now. I decided to be more interested in longevity than space exploration. Longevity is partially more similar to developing robowaifus, since individuals can do something by themselves. It's also much less pie in the sky. Fantasies of space exploration and the way these stories are told is something that was very likely pushed by media to support the idea of a unified mankind. Also, making stuff and preparing for problems (prepping) is more relevant, imo. Robowaifus could be the "perfect preppers bride". Space exploration becomes more relevant after we went through the next filter.
>>17131 Pizza bait is getting reported by anyone seeing it and then it's getting deleted. Political discussions are being moved to the bunker or deleted, dependent on their relevance to /robowaifu. We don't need to agree on everything outside of the scope of the project at hand.
>>17132 >Robowaifus could be the "perfect preppers bride" This is at least partially true for many anons, I expect. But, you can't really expect to survive the "Good times right around the corner!" phase of the full cycle if you don't get /out/ & /fit/. Also, power generation is definitely going to be a hot topic for robowaifu masters, along with spare parts & other maintenance items. Once we have them going, it will be good to go waay /out/ for several shakedown dry-runs, yeah?
>>17131 > I do recall a separate board being created that had something to do with rule 34 /clang/ is linked in the welcome tred (>>3), as well as /monster/. They both have robobutt materials. >Back in the day when i used /robowaifu/, no one named fagged Lol. Sorry, but I made it pretty clear that namefagging was OK here basically all the way back at the beginning of the board on 8ch. No anon has to do so, ofc. As time has progressed however, most of us regular anons recognized the value of it, since we're basically a creative group engineering endeavor together (as discussed here >>10469). It's working well for us, actually. >Have you finished yet? As I mentioned previously, I am still going to college. Not yet, I'm about halfway now, slow going. Good luck with your studies, Anon. >What pizza would /robowaifu/ eat from image 1 related? I love a good deep dish. But I'm going to have to spoiler your images, b/c >implying implications You can freely-discuss DFC-related issues here (>>2666). Also, <1m high robowaifu designs are actually of great engineering value--particularly during these early prototyping years (square-cube law & whatnot). But as you're well-aware, it's an issue fraught with threats for any man b/c feminism & 'muh anti-pedo hysteria'. What robowaifus you want to create on your own are entirely your own business ofc, but as a board we need to keep things under a tight reign here to protect the site itself, as well as Robi. >tl;dr This isn't /b/, Anon. Don't push it.
>>17131 everything you need to know is here >>15854 >re: namefagging I considered that only a faux-pas on /pol/ or /b/. I think for the purposes of this project, keeping track of who is posting what and learning each others worldviews and idiosyncrasies has been a net asset. If anyone really cares to dox based on what I post here knock yourselves out, I've always been into robotics and AI as both speculative science fiction and something I want to see become a reality in my lifetime. Seeing as how every sexual deviation under the sun is now tolerated and celebrated it would be rather hypocritical of those same people pearl clutching at the prospect of somebody getting physical with their companion AI bot. (though no doubt some will, and already are) As far as the greater mission, I'm here to learn, lend advice, brainstorm/spitball ideas and help build up the robowaifu community in the most beneficial and globohomo-free way as possible. (Think EFF but applied to waifus) I'll be hosting within the next month or two at robowaifu.link and robowaifu.online both volunteering web space for anyone's related website and as a linktree or webring of sorts for robowaifu resources. I've already posted links to a couple discords (I know how much some of you hate them, but so far it is working really well for a few of us) my own and another anon's. If you're still part of chan culture and into monstergirls I don't take any issue with this, but the tone here has been set by Chobitsu and that's one of the reasons I stay and participate but I'll still lurk around lainchan, /pol/ and a few others
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Are we due/overdue for a meta-6 as it is a month away from being Fall already?
Is it time for an official art thread on /robowaifu/? There does not seem to be one from what I could find searching through the archives.
>>17387 I would say to go for it. It can't be any worse than half the shit found on twitter and elsewhere.
>>17392 We need to develop the visual robowaifu concepts further, using novel degrees of freedom provided to us by brand-new freely available tools like Stable Diffusion.
>>17275 That's just a little rhyming quirk I did for my small attempt at humor; the /meta 's aren't actually seasonal. The only req. I have since /meta-2 is that they intentionally be off-topic for the OP. >>17387 >Is it time for an official art thread on /robowaifu/? Past due time. >>17401 >Is it the maidcom one? Yes, but we're all working on whatever we see fit as well.
>>17408 >Obsession with DA JOOZ >Also your quick reply box doesn't work. Go back. This is not /pol/
>>17407 >the /meta 's aren't actually seasonal. that lent a comfy aesthetic to the board though
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This feels like the best place to post this, and this seem necessary to post. The subject line is about the people on this board (though no personal message is intended) rather than any of their potential creations. Currently, this board is following approaches which will make it impossible for its robowaifu technology to be strategically surprising to the forces which adapt everything to loop around to nowhere, except the direction which advantages them. It doesn't make sense for this post to cause a sudden change in approach, leaving past projects here (which are often personal projects not just /robowaifu/ projects) to waste (though this is a sunk cost fallacy). However, /robowaifu/ should observe its own approach and examine its possible effects of instead of simply riding the wave. The Robotics Approach: Distributed Processing doesn't make sense. Splitting functions by locality makes even less sense unless the scale is thousands of kilometers. Even the human body largely doesn't do this, despite nerve signals travelling far slower than lightspeed. Reliability is better served by duplication. Sane design given technology demands that there will be software running on compute hardware that exists to run that software as well as possible given constraints, and that there will be robotics hardware controlled by the software. There will be two distinct sides to the problem, with distinct solutions. This is obviously exemplified by the idea of a robowaifu with compute external to the body. This is of course assuming no philosophical issues which would make everything done here a total loss. Robotics-only approach: sex doll Software-only approach: visual waifu/chatbot In each of these domains individually, /robowaifu/ has not produced anything surprising or state of the art. Could the combination of these domains provide an advantage? Robotics->Software: Embodied cognition. Given the right (novel) software approach, perhaps this could make the AI more interesting. Avoiding the way of current large language models, which simply continue text without being in any world, and only have the last few thousand words and trained structure as context. The software-only alternative is simulated environments and recurrence. Software->Robotics: Obviously forget about any safety standards (when applicable) here. Software could do more with less complex mechanisms, potentially making some of the robotics side easier. These are only the technical advantages of course, the combination itself has an advantage as a product even if there is no advantage to design the parts from the whole. Product: At what point does the combination make a product superior to either a sex doll or chatbot individually? I don't see the combination being designed from the start. It is better for software to have uniform or easily specified hardware, and it is better for robotics to not be locked to any software. The natural conclusion is that development of robotics and software should be separated except for when developments in the other can be utilized to provide an advantage. In other words: Design an open source robotic doll kit, which is easy to program. Many people develop software for this kit. Once software advancement reaches the point that better hardware is needed, release v2 doll. Repeat. Or: Design an AI model with very multimodal and general capabilities. People build robotic hardware as desired that can be controlled by these models. Software improvement occurs simultaneously. Repeat. Is faster than: Build hardware and software for a robowaifu v1. Improve hardware and software until v2 is needed. Build entirely new hardware and incompatible software for v2. Repeat. It is also more consistent with free software (and hardware) principles and collaborative method to separate robotics and software. AGI or just superior to females? There are approximately two different kinds of people on /robowaifu/: Those whose first goal is AGI and a waifu (waifu/): The question of AGI has not been discussed in sufficient detail here. A lot of the work here also seems not to have realized the failure of symbolic AI. What intelligence means has also not been investigated. This side favors the software approach, unless philosophical issues change the problem. Those whose first goal is ending the female advantage, and want to use the advantage of combining robotics and software to achieve this (/robo): The question of strategy needs answering. The question of artificial wombs too. A theory of society and sex is needed for effective action. This side favors the hardware approach, but wants as much software as is necessary to gain enough advantage to capture demand. Some questions: What happens if the system embraces the idea of robowaifu, and use their resources to make a version superior to what we could build and provide it to the masses? But this version of course has a catch. /robo says: This would never happen, they aren't going to give away their power irreversibly like that for no reason, robowaifus are a red line they must supress. But what if the catch is no artificial wombs? What if they use permitting robowaifus as a political pressure release valve, while taking artificial (and female) wombs under total political control. Their win is even more guaranteed then, just delayed a generation. What happens if they just copy and paste any AI development /robowaifu/ makes, and just use their superior resources to adapt it for their goals? waifu/ says: The capabilities /robowaifu/ wants to develop are not useful to the system, there is a qualitative distinction within AI development, like how 3d printing and GPS advantage different sides. Is this distinction real? If we believe the normal theory, that intelligence is optimization, if we believe in orthogonalism and universalism, then no. All intelligence is the same and liquid, and unless you get a head start on recursive self-improvement their win is very likely. If you want to actually take a qualitatively different approach (which I believe is necessary for real AGI) then this must be
>>17419 (post was truncated) If you want to actually take a qualitatively different approach (which I believe is necessary for real AGI) then this must be addressed first. Might continue..
Primary goal poll: https://strawpoll.com/polls/6QnM7YN3AZe >>17419 >What happens if they just copy and paste any AI development /robowaifu/ makes, and just use their superior resources to adapt it for their goals? >waifu/ says: The capabilities /robowaifu/ wants to develop are not useful to the system, there is a qualitative distinction within AI development, like how 3d printing and GPS advantage different sides. I would answer this differently. If the system embraces the idea of robowaifu, I would say that's great. That's a tremendous amount of resources and intelligence it's going to swing around at accomplishing my goals. I just want waifus, and I don't care to have a monopoly on them. It might even be better for me if we didn't have a monopoly on them because then the bar for societal acceptance would be lower. >Design an open source robotic doll kit, which is easy to program. Many people develop software for this kit. >Design an AI model with very multimodal and general capabilities. People build robotic hardware as desired that can be controlled by these models. >Could the combination of these domains provide an advantage? I think you're trying to work out what are the easiest paths to interesting outcomes given decentralized development. Uncoupling things lets each track move faster, moving faster seems necessary when we're trying to "catch up" with all of the capabilities in relevant fields, and catching up with the capabilities in relevant fields is very useful for creating interesting domain combinations. It's difficult for a decentralized group to do monolithic projects because it's difficult to coordinate work and resources. It's easier to take the monolithic results of centralized groups and modify/connect/build on them. That makes me think, for development work specifically, maybe it would make more sense to create threads around projects-we-want-to-build-on, rather than creating threads based on knowledge-we-want-to-consolidate or outcomes-we-want-to-accomplish. So for example, we'd have a Stable Diffusion thread focused on manipulating the SD model, or we'd have a GPT thread focused on using GPT-2/GPT-J/... in interesting ways, and we'd have a KoboldAI thread focused on using KoboldAI. That would mean specifically keeping the GPT and KoboldAI threads separate, even though they both try to accomplish text generation, since bootstrapping people for building on GPT is very different from bootstrapping them for building on KoboldAI.
>>17421 These are excellent points. Mind you anyone coming here under the assumption that any of us have command over a production line or an actual physical company with capital is going to be sorely disappointed. While these things are respectable goals to work *toward*, I think most of us are just brainstorming how we can leverage what's available for us to scrounge, reverse engineer, 3D print, etc. No doubt at least one person in here has access to a foundry and a CNC machine but it's all too much work for one person or even few people, no matter how sufficiently motivated. I've seen good things with VR/AR and that might have to be the bridge of "make do" until someone tosses us a rope of an generic customizable humanoid robot (which IMO to do it right will take some retooling of common mechanical parts and electronics, think: how human prosthetics are designed versus industrial robots)
>>17421 >If the system embraces the idea of robowaifu, I would say that's great. The question intended for waifu/ was what happens if they use AI advancement partially driven by /robowaifu/ to improve their uses for AI: mass surveillance, social control, etc. Is a future where robowaifus are possible but where the technocrats also have all the tools needed to end history survivable? I doubt it. AI development alone doesn't change the power balance towards us. Before, they were few in number, with limited attention, and had to remain hidden to not be overwhelmed by everyone else. Now they have A100s, and you do not. Changing this means finding some technological asymmetry, which means going beyond the standard view of orthogonalism and optimization. Cryptocurrency is one example of a very asymmetric technology, but AI currently is not (it may be asymmetric against us in fact). >>17423 >While these things are respectable goals to work *toward*, I think most of us are just brainstorming how we can leverage what's available for us to scrounge, reverse engineer, 3D print, etc. Of course right now it doesn't really matter. But in general before deciding how to build, better decide what to build, and why.
>>17419 I'll be merging this thread into our /meta thread soon, just to let you know OP.
>>17423 I understand. On the AI side, it doesn't take a large amount of resources to build on Stable Diffusion or GPT-J 6B. You can train new tokens for these models ("softprompts", "textual inversion") on Google Colab for free, and you can rent an A100 to fine-tune models for, currently, $0.35/hour, or an RTX 3090 for $0.04/hour. In some cases, it's feasible to train massive models from scratch for free because there are groups (Google TRC, Stability AI, CoreWeave) that give free compute resources for open source AI research projects. I'm not familiar with robotics, but my understanding is that a lot of the design work can be done using free software (MuJoCo, SketchUp, IsaacGym). The actual manufacuring and real-world tests might get expensive, and I don't know what it would take to create models for off-the-shelf parts (would manufacturers be willing to provide it?), but maybe those things can be worked out later. I'd find it very exciting if we could get a good waifu design & simulation working with mostly-plausible components and environments, even if we didn't know how to manufacture it. >>17424 >The question intended for waifu/ was what happens if they use AI advancement partially driven by /robowaifu/ to improve their uses for AI: mass surveillance, social control, etc. In that case, I would say that's an acceptable risk because a world without waifus is unacceptable. I would take steps to prevent people from misusing my [hypothetical] advances for surveillance & control especially if that surveillance & control inhibits waifu progress, but I would not try to prevent misuses if it means stopping waifu progress. I'm curious how others feel about this point. https://strawpoll.com/polls/Q0Zp4kle6ZM
>>17430 a world with total surveillance is almost unavoidable except if someone lobbies for "privacy zones" where drones are restricted, or build a faraday caged home, etc. No one outlawed security cameras and while it undermines privacy such measures should reduce petty crime and dangerous crime in urban areas perhaps making them safe again one day? tl;dr total privacy is a lost cause, better learn to deal with it. Those in power who have a lot to lose if their private stuff gets out will surely put in some limitations that the rest of us can benefit from too. That's how the legal system works
>>17430 also saying, by the time waifus with govt. or corporate backdoors might be a standard thing, it may be a moot point when there are "fly" drones at a density of a few per some odd cubic meters of any public space already
>>17415 Duly noted Meta Ronin. I'll see if I can come up with something sufficiently cheesy for /meta-6. :^)
>>17430 >and you can rent an A100 to fine-tune models for, currently, $0.35/hour, or an RTX 3090 for $0.04/hour Please share where you can get such cheap compute. Lambda is $1.10/hr for an A100 and A100s and 3090s are never available on vast.ai.

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