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Philosophers interested in building an AGI? pygmalion 06/26/2021 (Sat) 00:53:09 No.11102 [Reply] [Last]

Why is it that no philosophers are interested in building an AGI? we need to change this, or at least collect relevant philosophers. discussion about philosophy of making AGI (includes metaphysics, transcendental psychology, general philosophy of mind topics, etc!) also highly encouraged! Ill start ^^! so the philosophers i know that take this stuff seriously: Peter Wolfendale - the first Neo-Rationalist on the list. his main contribution here is computational Kantianism. just by the name you can tell that he believes Kant's transcendental psychology has some important applications to designing an artificial mind. an interesting view regarding this is that he thinks Kant actually employed a logic that was far ahead of his time (and you basically need a sophisticated type theory with sheaves to properly formalize). Other than that he also thinks Kant has interesting solutions to the frame problem, origin of concepts, and personhood. CONTACTS: He has a blog at https://deontologistics.co/, and also has posted some lectures on youtube like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWDZyOWN4VA&ab_channel=deontologistics Reza Negarestani - this is another Neo-Rationalist. he has written a huge work (which I haven't read yet ;_;) called "Intelligence and Spirit". It's massive and talks about various grades of general intelligence. this includes sentient agents, sapient agents, and Geist. this guy draws from Kant as well, but he also builds on Hegel's ideas too. his central thesis is that Hegel's Geist is basically a distributed intelligence. he also has an interesting metaphilosophy where he claims that the goal of philosophy is the construct an AGI. like other Neo-Rationalists, he heavily relies on the works of Sellars and Robert Brandom Recc: Ray Brassier (recent focuses) - I dont think he is working on artificial general intelligence, but his work on Sellars, and in particular rule following is very insightful! Hubert Dreyfus - Doesn't quite count, but he did try to bring Heidegger to AGI. He highlighted the importance of embodiment to the frame problem and common sense knowledge. I personally think Bergson might have explicated what he wanted to achieve but better, though that guy is like way before AI was even a serious topic, lol. Murray Shanahan - This guy has done some extra work on the frame problem following Dreyfus. His solution is to use global workspace theory and parralel processing of different modules. Interesting stuff! Barry Smith - Probably the most critical philosopher on this list. He talks about the requisite system dynamics for try strong AI, and concludes that our current methods simply don't cut it. One of the key stressing points he points out here with a colleague is that our current AI is Markovian when fleshed out chat dialogue would be a non-Markovian task (you can find the arxiv link of his criticism here: https://arxiv.org/abs/1906.05833). He also has knowledge on analytic ontology (and amongst other thing has some lectures about emotion ontology). I think his main genius however is in coming up with a definition of intelligence that puts a lot of the problems with our current approaches into context (which can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0giPMMoKR9s&ab_channel=BarrySmith) CONTACTS: He has a yt channel here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0giPMMoKR9s&ab_channel=BarrySmith

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Chobitsu 11/27/2025 (Thu) 01:49:30 No.43063

>>43059 >It wasn't from AI, I wrote it as a short story because I was tired of the cognitive hypocrisy Neat! Nice writing, Anon...GG. Cheers. :^)

GreerTech 12/08/2025 (Mon) 02:41:38 No.43182

>>42888 >>43047 Those videos are great, and definitely gave some ideas for promotion/media. The "Living Characters Initiative" is similar to how I present Galatea as "an anime girl character but real and you can have her". Galatea has basically become a mix of the iPhone and Mickey Mouse, a flagship product that has become the mascot, a friendly character. Me and Walt Disney have the same narcissitic positive-insanity, a drive to make childhood magic real. Even our enemies can see the connection, The Stepford Wives, a "horror" novel written about us from the perspective of our enemies, has the main robot wife inventor be "a former Disney engineer". @Mechnomancer you will definitely love this series. It talks about show animatronics and even has giant mecha in the second part. >animatronics always keep flirting with guests "Galatea and SPUD flirted with me at Greerland 2033, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" It's also weird to think that Disney technically invented vtubers

Chobitsu 12/08/2025 (Mon) 05:17:15 No.43187

>>43182 >It's also weird to think that Disney technically invented vtubers Le'd at that. :D >Disney was an inventive powerhouse Of course it all stemmed from the great Walt Disney himself. I'm sure he would react in anger (and possibly wrath) to see what became of it all after the kikes got their greedy rat claws into it... transforming it into y*dsney, as-is today. :/

GreerTech 12/08/2025 (Mon) 05:59:41 No.43188

>>43187 >Of course it all stemmed from the great Walt Disney himself. I'm sure he would react in anger (and possibly wrath) to see what became of it all after the kikes got their greedy rat claws into it... transforming it into y*dsney, as-is today. :/ TBF, there has been a lot of innovation after his death, definitely less than if he was immortal, but still very impressive. Stoner turtle vtubers, and flying Spiderman robots don't come from nothing. The only problem is that the self-cannibalizing nature of the company dissuades actually using the inventions. The original Galaxy's Edge concept looks really good, it made me want to experience it when I watched the video, but then when it later showed the actual Galaxy's Edge, it looked like a piece of shit. >I'm sure he would react in anger (and possibly wrath) Right after slapping his whiny granddaughter for whining about the animatronic of him. She probably didn't know that he was obsessed with animatronics and is basically why the field exists today.

Chobitsu 12/08/2025 (Mon) 06:54:58 No.43189

>>43188 Nice digits! :^) >TBF, there has been a lot of innovation after his death No doubt, no doubt Anon. Building from the innovations that he himself shepherded his company into devising, a truly wide-and-deep culture of amazing creativity grew. No telling where it would have all gone if Walt had simply stopped smoking in time! :^) But then, as you related... >The [] problem is [] the self-cannibalizing nature of the company ...kikes took over. Stuffing jewgold purses will always cannibalize whatever their victim industry is. While there are several other problems with kikes running the show at y*dsney -- pozz overload saturating all their newer media properties comes readily to mind -- this intrinsic short-sightedness of them and their ((($$$culture$$$))) is a laughable, fundamental characteristic. But woe to the goyim who bears the brunt of such exploitations! :DD (As Walt Disney himself well-knew; keeping them pushed away & nowhere near the internal management of his booming company. [He was an outspoken non-fan of the jews.]) >Right after slapping his whiny granddaughter for whining about the animatronic of him. She probably didn't know that he was obsessed with animatronics and is basically why the field exists today. Lel'd. Yeah true. Stronk, independynts shouldn't ever hold the reigns of really any authority (even ones so smol as just being a family mouthpiece). Cheers, GreerTech. :^)

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Business and Marketing GreerTech 09/03/2025 (Wed) 21:58:34 No.41055 [Reply]

A thread to discuss topics such as, potential products, marketing, consumer demand, customer bases, robowaifus on the market, etc...

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Robowaifu Technician 09/09/2025 (Tue) 14:51:27 No.41387

>>41329 > related : ( >>41384 )

GreerTech 10/27/2025 (Mon) 23:47:13 No.42534

One thing I'm trying out is, in places that are more westernized/less otaku, I use the phrase "robogirl", instead of "robowaifu"

Chobitsu 10/28/2025 (Tue) 00:24:07 No.42536

>>42534 Good thinking, Anon.

GreerTech 12/08/2025 (Mon) 03:04:29 No.43183

The wisest thing to do is to learn from both your friends AND enemies The Art of the Deal 1. Think big 2. Protect the downside and the upside will take care of itself (prepare for the worst) 3. Maximize the options 4. Know your market 5. Use your leverage 6. Enhance your location 7. Get the word out 8. Fight back 9. Deliver the goods 10. Contain the costs 11. Have fun Rules for Radicals 1."Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."

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Chobitsu 12/08/2025 (Mon) 05:13:35 No.43186

>>43183 I'd say thats good wisdom, GreerTech. Thanks! :^)

R&D General NoidoDev ##eCt7e4 07/21/2023 (Fri) 15:25:47 No.24152 [Reply] [Last]

This is a thread to discuss smaller or general waifu building problems, solutions, proposals and questions that don't warrant a thread or touch on more than one topic. In a way this is a technical meta, minus news. Keep it technical. A lot of topics in the old thread here >>83 have a thread on their own by now. The main topics in the old thread with the link to the related dedicated threads are listed here - it was mostly about actuation at the beginning: Topics in the old OP: - liquid battery and cooling in one (flow batteries) >>5080 - artificial muscles (related to actuators >>12810) - high level and low level intelligence emulation (AI) (related to AI >>77 >>22 >>250 >>27 >>201) - wear and maintenance, including repairs - sanitation >>1627 (related to actuators >>12810) > cheap hydraulic and pneumatic muscles > woven sleeves out of strong nylon fishing line > exhaust excess heat by breathing and panting (related to thermal management >>234) >>1635 (related to energy systems >>5080) > sitting in her 'recharging chair'

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Chobitsu 11/16/2025 (Sun) 11:41:32 No.42887

>>42885 >Some kind of half-way between axial and radial flux motors might have some benefits, I'm sure there would be many! * Less-likely to destroy cell walls * Less cubic-volume pressure densities * Faster inflow & outflow of serum ports * Higher average, non-destructive throughput >I guess the two things are related, if only vaguely. DONT DISCOUNT THIS FACT Utilize it in your research instead. Godspeed, Anon! Cheers. :^)

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Chobitsu 11/18/2025 (Tue) 02:15:22 No.42916

> (related : >>42875, >>42904, ... ) Animatronics control software. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEZ6gYW-gXM https://www.bottango.com/

Kiwi 11/20/2025 (Thu) 05:44:23 No.42955

BoobCube for anyone that wants 'em https://files.catbox.moe/u7u54v.obj

Robowaifu Technician 12/08/2025 (Mon) 04:36:33 No.43184

>>40337 I recently found a youtube channel where someone is making a circuit similar to what I had in mind, but instead of using an actual 3-plate capacitor, he made a transformer winding 3 coils around PVC pipes, and putting them inside each other. 2 of the coils are AC inputs, and the output coil only powers a diode. His circuit also puts a lot more emphasis on high-frequency switching, while I was just planning on using high frequency AC. My only beef with the design is the coils he uses are massive, making up a lot of the physical volume of the circuit, while I'd like to miniaturize it as much as possible.

Chobitsu 12/08/2025 (Mon) 05:12:55 No.43185

>>43184 Good luck with your design, Anon. Please keep us here up to date on it! >>42955 Good, solid modelling Kiwi. <---> Cheers, Anons. :^)

Biohacking Thread #2 Robowaifu Technician 10/15/2025 (Wed) 14:48:10 No.42285 [Reply] [Last]

This thread is to discuss the ethics and methods of merging and AI and biology. All biocomputing, bioethics, AI medicine, medical, nootropic, and transhumanism posts belong here. The discuss of spirituality, biology, and AI is also welcome here! Previous thread >>41257 >=== -edit subj -add/rm 'lock thread' msg

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Robowaifu Technician 11/22/2025 (Sat) 05:25:58 No.42988

> (bio -related : >>42706, >>42719 )

Ribose 11/25/2025 (Tue) 16:29:01 No.43045

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/soft-matter/articles/10.3389/frsfm.2025.1588404/full?utm_source=F-NTF&utm_medium=EMLX&utm_campaign=PRD_FEOPS_20170000_ARTICLE From simulation to reality: experimental analysis of a quantum entanglement simulation with slime molds (Physarum polycephalum) as bioelectronic components >This study investigates whether it is possible to simulate quantum entanglement with theoretical memristor models, physical memristors (from Knowm Inc.) and slime molds Physarum polycephalum as bioelectric components. While the simulation with theoretical memristor models has been demonstrated in the literature, real-world experiments with electric and bioelectric components had not been done so far. Our analysis focused on identifying hysteresis curves in the voltage-current (I-V) relationship, a characteristic signature of memristive devices. Although the physical memristor produced I-V diagrams that resembled more or less hysteresis curves, the small parasitic capacitance introduced significant problems for the planned entanglement simulation. In case of the slime molds, and unlike what was reported in the literature, the I-V diagrams did not produce a memristive behavior and thus could not be used to simulate quantum entanglement. Finally, we designed replacement circuits for the slime mold and suggested alternative uses of this bioelectric component. Slime molds are out for simulating quantum entanglement no memristor properties observed either. Important to know limitations 4.2 Slime mold as device for other electrical circuits >The replacement circuit we created (see Figure 13) consists entirely of R and C components, and is similar, although not identical, to plant equivalent electrical circuits outlined by Van Haeverbeke et al. (2023)(see their Table 4). An additional 10-20 mV voltage source that (may) fall off continuously seems a good description of the slime molds without the nonlinear “saddles” by first approximation. Although these circuits do not represent or contain memristors, they might still be used as sub-circuits for various other types of circuits. The configuration suggests it could be useful in a number of circuits, for example a Low-Pass Filter Circuit. A low-pass filter allows low-frequency signals to pass while attenuating high-frequency signals. Usually such a subcircuit could be part of audio circuits, analog-to-digital conversion stages, or any application where it is necessary to remove high-frequency noise. Like the Low-Pass filter, the voltage divider with frequency dependence, a circuit that may serve as a frequency-dependent voltage divider, where the output voltage depends on the input frequency. This circuit can be used in circuits where frequency-based signal conditioning is required. Another option to implement the slime mold would be a Phase Shift Network that could be used to introduce a phase shift in a signal, depending on how the resistor and slime molds are connected. Phase shift networks are used in phase-shift oscillators and certain types of filters. Similarly to the low pass is the high pass filter circuit that allows high frequencies to pass while blocking low frequencies. In principle, the slime mold could also be used in several other circuits, such as RC Integrator Circuit, a RC Differentiator Circuit, a RC Time Constant, or a Snubber Circuit. Previous work has also shown that slime molds can improve microbial fuel cells when applied to the cathode side Taylor et al. (2015). This and other potential bioelectric applications seem interesting for future bioelectric deployment of the slime mold, despite it not showing memristive behavior.

Ribose 11/25/2025 (Tue) 19:00:57 No.43046

https://news.unl.edu/article/nebraska-led-team-explores-using-bacteria-to-power-artificial-intelligence Just exploration right now no results yet but Shewanella oneidensis looks like an interesting choice because of the conductive bacterial nanowires. Glad to see this stuff is finally getting more attention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shewanella_oneidensis

Chobitsu 11/27/2025 (Thu) 01:50:55 No.43064

>>43045 >Slime molds are out for simulating quantum entanglement no memristor properties observed either. That kinda sucks. :/ >>43046 Neat! This sounds encouraging. Thanks Ribose, please keep us here all up to date! Cheers. :^)

Chobitsu 12/06/2025 (Sat) 11:35:38 No.43173

Great informal discussion on the role of the Creator's hyper-natural abilities, as impacts biodiversity and dynamic novelty regarding the sequence of life's origin and variance through the ages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfk6T6DXTvU

MaidCom Kiwi 02/08/2024 (Thu) 06:40:01 No.29219 [Reply] [Last]

MaidCom Project Thread 2 Project Goal: Simple, low cost, extensible platform for robowaifu development. Picrel shows the model which is being developed. Every part will be designed to be easily printable and replaceable. Her designs will be open source. Modding and customization will be encouraged. This is a base model. Early revisions will be heavily limited in functionality. I invite you to help design and define standards so that it is easy to create specialized add-ons to allow her to become your own waifu. Collaboration is important, MaidCom is officially partnered with Lin and his Waifu Wheelchair, if you'd also like to be officially partnered, say so. Cat eats and miniskirts are encouraged! <--- Previous thread: ( >>15630 ) >=== -add crosslink

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Kiwi 11/20/2025 (Thu) 05:40:38 No.42954

Decided to simplify her main body and leave the bobs and buns as optional add-ons. Hard plastic bobs are painful to snuggle with from my personal experience in recent experiments. Decided her joints should be modular and optional too. MaidCom is going all in on the simplest core that you expand as you like. What connector should she use? I've been thinking USB C for electrical with pegs and sockets for the physical connections. If an open standard already exists, I'd like to make her as compatible as possible, Modularity to fit specific niches is the goal. I recently asked normies what they wanted MaidCom to do. Laundry and washing dishes were the number one asks. When I said no robot on Earth can do it, they said I asked what they wanted, and that was it. So, I came to the conclusion that she needs to do that. But, those tasks are supremely difficult for humanoids. She needs to be able to adapt to meet those demands, in the specific situations of her user. It's impossible to make her universal and affordable, she needs to be personal.

Chobitsu 11/20/2025 (Thu) 05:59:02 No.42957

>>42954 POTD >I've been thinking USB C for electrical Probably a safe bet for this revision. I'd say just go with that. You can devise other revisions at a later point in time. >When I said no robot on Earth can do it >she needs to be personal. Start there. DO.NOT. get hung up trying to overreach at this stage. >tl;dr Start smol; grow big. You're doing great, Kiwi! Looking forward to meeting dear MaidCom at Christmas! Cheers. :^)

GreerTech 11/20/2025 (Thu) 21:25:40 No.42961

>>42954 I like the modular and standardized design. >he needs to be able to adapt to meet those demands, in the specific situations of her user. I'm really curious to see how that can be done with consumer technology. You may leapfrog our tech by a few years at least. >she needs to be personal. Exactly

Kiwi 12/05/2025 (Fri) 06:23:07 No.43162

Successfully designed her waist articulation system. Will be working on her leg/arm articulation system tomorrow.

Chobitsu 12/05/2025 (Fri) 06:38:19 No.43163

>>43162 Beautiful. I'm gettin' excited, Anon! :D

Robowaifus in Media: Thread 03 GreerTech 09/10/2025 (Wed) 07:54:46 No.41434 [Reply]

Post about whatever media predominately features at least one fembot aka gynoid (female form of an android) as an important character, ideally a robowaifu or synthetic girlfriend. Some freedom with the topic is allowed, virtual waifus or bodiless AI might also qualify if she is female. Negative framing of the whole topic should be mentioned with negative sentiment. Cyborgs with a human brain or uploads of women don't really fit in, but if she's very nice (Alita) and maybe not a human based cyborg (catborg/netoborg) we can let it slide. Magical dolls have also been included in the past, especially when the guy had to hand-made them. Look through the old threads, it's worth it: >>82 >>18711 - Picrel shows some of the more well know shows from a few years ago. I made a long list with links to more info's on most known anime shows about fembots/robowaifus, without hentai but including some ecchi and posted it here in the old thread: >>7008 - It also features some live-action shows and movies. I repost the updated list here, not claiming that it is complete, especially when it comes to live action and shows/movies we don't really like. >In some cases I can only assume that the show includes robogirls, since the show is about various robots, but I haven't seen it yet. A.D. Police Files: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/ad-police-files Andromeda Stories: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/andromeda-stories Angelic Layer: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/angelic-layer Armitage III: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/armitage-iii Azusa will help: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/azusa-will-help Blade Runner 2022: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/blade-runner-black-out-2022 Busou Shinki: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/busou-shinki-moon-angel Butobi CPU: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/buttobi-cpu Casshern Sins: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/casshern-sins Chobits: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/chobits

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Chobitsu 12/02/2025 (Tue) 14:33:18 No.43117

>>43116 Heh, that's all true. Good points, GreerTech. Cheers. :^)

Kiwi 12/04/2025 (Thu) 18:17:05 No.43149

Alma chan Wants to Have a Family! This show is packing heaps of cuteness! It's a fun goofy slice of life story of a family where the daughter is a super robot. It feels highly episodic. Alma and Machina are the main robot girls. Though they're generally depicted as tiny, roughly ~130cm ~4ft, their bodies are accessories. Only their heads are the real body. Picrel 3 shows Alma with an adult body that either of them can use. It's a silly show but, Alma with an adult body is the best robot girl this season.

Mechnomancer 12/04/2025 (Thu) 18:59:24 No.43151

>>43149 >Only their heads are the real body. Huh, funny enuff that's how SPUD and Pringle are going: both having their raspi's in the noggin and connect via peripherals (so far just I2C)

Chobitsu 12/04/2025 (Thu) 19:32:31 No.43153

>>43149 Thanks for the info Kiwi.

Kiwi 12/05/2025 (Fri) 06:15:20 No.43160

>>43151 I do like the concept, helps with modularity

HAPPY BIRTHDAY /ROBOWAIFU/ Robowaifu Technician Board owner 11/27/2019 (Wed) 17:27:05 No.1591 [Reply] [Last]

9th Birthday Edition greeting here: ( >>43098 ) --- >original (albeit a bit edited) OP follows: Well it's Thanksgiving time again and that means it's /robowaifu/s birthday time too. It's been 3 full years since we began, and this last one has been a bit of a ride tbh. With the deplatforming of 8ch all of us who had communities there were mostly left out in the cold. Thankfully we've been given a new home here in our ~~bunker~~home at ~~Julay~~nuJulay, and a few of us have found our way back together here. Hopefully the rest of us will find Julay, and /robowaifu/ again as well. We've also made some new friends since we've been here, and I think we're in pretty good shape all things considered. On the topic of deplatforming, we have a new archival system in action that keeps a copy of the board up to date on my machine. Note that my original intent was to fully automate the archive.today archives, but it hasn't worked properly (they seem to be fighting against bots pretty hard now). I hope at least one other of you will also join in for the approach that's actually working, and use BUMP to keep at least one other copy of /robowaifu/ safe in addition to my own. You never know what might happen to my gear (or even to me), and it's just smart thinking to have at least two of us keeping this board safe. My intent is to finish up the system for board migrations (along with Robi), and then bring over other things from the old files and get this board in shape again. Then we can keep it fully backed up together. As you regulars know, /robowaifu/ is basically unique among imageboards and well-deserves preservation IMO. Any other takers for doing backups as well? I just use a cronjob and it's all fully automatic daily I never have to touch it. I'll explain everything in detail how to do it if anyone else wants to participate. One other thing; should anything ever happen to Julay, just regroup on ~~Fatchan~~ ~~Anoncafe~~ Trashchan in our bunker there. Actually, I'm pretty upbeat about both the world of IB communities in general, and our own /robowaifu/ in particular. We all took a hard knock a few months ago, but we're back on our feet and in the fight again. Kudos in particular to both Julay and Smug for their innovations with the webring introduction. It's lent a resilience to the underlying systems for all our various communities that we've never had before afaict. This alone should help to ensure we have a long future of shitposting together anons. Anyway moving on, I hope this coming year will also see a resurgence in everyone's posts here about their personal projects. I intend to do so myself. It's always a pleasure to see Anon's efforts and blog-posts about their current attempts and ideas, regardless whether they are successes or failures. Persistence is really the single most important factor for eventual success--even more than innate talent--and so just don't quit anon! Don't be afraid to get back in the game even if you met with failure before. Try something different this time, right?

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Chobitsu Board owner 11/30/2025 (Sun) 23:07:32 No.43098

Happy Birthday, /robowaifu/ ! It's been nine years since we began life as /robowaifu/ on Thanksgiving weekend. We have some new Anons onboard again this year. We're still waiting patiently for some old frens to reappear. As predicted, there is a veritable "arms race" ( >>34520 ) of humanoid development going on now ( >>43048 ). This will only grow for several years to come. ALSO as predicted, the first major corpo has stepped forward and displayed a gynoid : (cf. >>42698, >>42722, et al). This is a big deal! :^) Anons are moving forward apace with their own projects, and a years old new one has begun that yours truly will be participating in: HoloWaifu ( >>42840, et al). I'm really looking forward to see where we all go with this one! What an amazing turmoil this past year this has been for the AI LLM scene! Based DeepSeek (and dozens of other companies) have sprung up to challenge the (((status quo))). Cl*sedAI has been burning through taxpayer's & investor's cash like shoveling space freighters into a cosmic black hole! Along with the roller coaster NGr*edia has been through, popcorn has certainly intensified this year!! :DD <---> It's such a blessing to have all you Anons here on /robowaifu/ together. May this be the year of the waifu! :^) Keep Moving Forward.

GreerTech 12/03/2025 (Wed) 00:06:31 No.43121

>>43098 Happy 9th Birthday! I would say the year has gone by fast, but this year has been so hectic and event-filled, that it feels like 2-3 years. Here's to many, many more years of /robowaifu/ !

Chobitsu 12/03/2025 (Wed) 04:57:28 No.43124

>>43121 Thanks, GreerTech! >this year has been so hectic and event-filled, that it feels like 2-3 years. I can see that! It certainly seems like an unusual one. >Here's to many, many more years of /robowaifu/ ! Amen, Brother. <---> Cheers, Anons. :^)

Ribose 12/03/2025 (Wed) 16:49:32 No.43128

Happy 9th birthday!

Chobitsu 12/04/2025 (Thu) 03:27:26 No.43144

>>43128 Thanks, Ribose! I hope your research and plans are moving forward apace. Cheers, Anon. :^)

ITT: Anons derail the board into debate about Christianity :^) Robowaifu Technician 04/02/2020 (Thu) 02:24:54 No.2050 [Reply] [Last]

I found this project and it looks interesting. Robots wives appeal to me because i'm convinced human woman and humans in general have flaws that make having close relationships with them a waste of energy. I'm a pathetic freshman engineering student who knows barely anything about anything. Honestly, I think current technology isn't at a place that could produce satisfying results for me at least. I'd like something better than an actual person, not a compromise. Even then the technology is there, I have my doubts it'll be affordable to make on your own. Fingers crossed though. Anyway, what kind of behavior would you like from your robot wife? I'd like mine to be unemotional, lacking in empathy, stoic and disinterested in personal gain or other people. I think human woman would be improved if they were like that. Sorry if this thread is inappropriate.

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Mechnomancer 11/24/2025 (Mon) 16:23:23 No.43033

>>43026 TLDR: the human body is the soul's interface to the physical world: soul processes info given by the brain so if the interface is damaged so is the info. Like feeding info to an LLM: if there is some cheeky bugger sneaking in extra prompts your LLM gonna do some funky stuff.

Robowaifu Technician 11/24/2025 (Mon) 16:29:12 No.43034

I think bodies and "hardware" are vessels that "souls" operate through and manifest themselves through onto reality, and so the quality of the vessel enables more or less of the soul to manifest and act upon reality, so a damaged brain or body just limits how much the soul can be manifested, and better hardware whatever it may be enables more and a closer to full expression of the soul. >>43033 I wrote the above as this was posted, same thing. lingustic analogy: the soul is what's being said, the vessel is the language it is being said through.

GreerTech 11/24/2025 (Mon) 21:44:57 No.43036

>>43033 Exactly!

Chobitsu 11/24/2025 (Mon) 23:30:50 No.43037

>>43022 ... My words speak for themselves, AFAICT. Meaning no disrespect, but I'm not sure what else you were expecting of me? >>43026 >Phineas Gage Intredasting. Along with @Mechnomancer (cf. >>43033 ), I consider the brain & other neural tissue to be the primary interface with the soul. As a firm substance-dualist, I consider the human soul to be part-physical, part-immaterial. (As opposed to our spirit being, which is entirely immaterial.) I'll also venture to say the obvious here: somewhere, somehow, the natural must have some border -- some interface -- with the transcendent. How that works is a mystery only God understands fully, IMHO. :^) >>43033 >Like feeding info to an LLM: if there is some cheeky bugger sneaking in extra prompts your LLM gonna do some funky stuff. Heh, amusingly-worded Anon. :D >>43034 >...and so the quality of the vessel enables more or less of the soul to manifest and act upon reality Thats a very interesting insight, Anon. :^)

Robowaifu Technician 12/04/2025 (Thu) 02:15:40 No.43139

> (Christian salvation -related : >>43136 )

Lemon Cookie EnvelopingTwilight##AgvQjr 04/28/2025 (Mon) 21:51:57 No.37980 [Reply]

The original thread can be found here: https://trashchan.xyz/robowaifu/thread/595.html --- Welcome to the Lemon Cookie thread, The goal of Lemon Cookie is to create a framework where a synthetic "mind and soul" can emerge through a "LLM as cognitive architecture" approach. This thread exists to collect feedback, ask for help & to document my progress. First I am going to try to give a high level overview of how this cognitive architecture is envisioned and the ideas behind it. I have spent time looking at cognitive architecture work, in the field there is now a consensus on how the mind works at a high level. An important mechanism is a "whiteboard", basically a global temporary memory that all the other systems read in and out of. Then there is different long-term memory systems that react to and add content to the whiteboard. Along with memory pattern matcher(s)/rules work on the content of the whiteboard. A key thing to consider is the difference in philosophy that cognitive architecture projects have, the intelligence is considered to emerge from the entire system. Compare this to LLM agent work where it's considered the intelligence is the LLM. My feelings on the general LLM space are conflicted, I am both amazed and really disappointed. LLMs possess an incredible level of flexibility, world knowledge and coherence. But everything outside of the model is stagnant. It's endless API wrappers & redundant frameworks all slight permutations on RAG & basic tool calling. I will believe that LLMs are misused as chatbots, simply put their pattern matching and associative power is constrained by chat format and shallow tooling. In the Lemon Cookie Cognitive Architecture so far here are the important aspects: 1. Memory is difficult. I do not think there is a singular data structure or method that is able to handle it all, several distinct types of memory will be needed. So far I plan for a PathRAG like system and a "Triadic Memory" inspired system for external associations (this is missing in most LLM solutions). 2. LLM as Kernel, The LLM's context window is the Whiteboard and has a REPL like mechanism. It holds structured data and logic in scripting-like format so it's both LLM & Human readable while staying easy to parse & allows for expressive structured data. The LLM's role will be to decompose data and make patterns and associations explicit as executable statements. 3. The language has to be LLM/CogArch-centric. There is a thousand ""agents"" that give LLMs a python interpreter as a tool. The two need to be more tightly coupled. Scripted behavior via pattern matching, The whiteboard is a bag of objects, this allows for programmable pattern matching (think functional programming like Haskell). It's also important to allow the LLM to observe code execution and to be able to modify state and execution flow. Data in languages have scoping rules, so should LLM context. Etc... I will go into more depth about the language in another post. 4. Another important system is the "GSR" Generative Sparse Representation and it will be a first class language & runtime type, This also needs its own post. But in general I am inspired by two things, "Generative FrameNet" paper where an LLM & an embedding model is used to automatically construct new FrameNet frames. The second source is "Numenta's SDRs"/"Sparse distributed memory" this representation has a lot of useful properties for memory (Please watch the videos under the "What the hell is an SDR?" segment in my links list for an easy introduction.) I think SDR unions & SDR noise tolerance will be especially useful. 5. A custom model, For all of the above to work well, a model will need to be fine tuned with special behaviors. I do want input on this. Baking facts & behaviors into LLM weights is costly, creating bloated models that are hard to run or train (why memorize all the capitals?), while letting authors gatekeep truth and impose "safety" detached from context. Blocking role-play "violence" or intimacy isn't protection: it's authors hijacking your AI companion to preach at you. Externalizing behaviors via whiteboard pattern matching shifts control: stabbing you in-game can be funny, but a robot wielding a knife isn't. Maybe you want intimacy privately, but don't want your AI flirting back at your friends. When put together I think this will be able to host a kind of synthetic "soul", In a living being what we call a personality is the accumulated associations, learned behaviors, beliefs and quirks molded by a unique set of experiences. I hope this will be true for this system too.

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EnvelopingTwilight 06/14/2025 (Sat) 01:27:03 No.39225

>>39162 >>AI research paper >Impressive. Please note the paper is not serious, I literally just wanted to share some AI output that came out ok. >>39223 >I finished the paper. Ehhhhh, it looks good and bad at the same time. I think it got some good big picture stuff but I'm not sure about the rest. Though I must admit much of the last of it is above my head. Thats the feeling I got from it too, Its good, but its also bad lol. I am amazed that it got the big picture and generated something so coherent, A year ago no LLM closed or open, framework or not would produce something of this quality. But there is also lots of gaps plainly visible. Don't take this PDF as actual plans, I just posted it for fun. ---- >>39162 >Am I understanding you rightly, Anon? If so wow that's a serious undertaking. Yes, but is it really such a big undertaking? I feel like most programmers eventually get the itch to do so, usually as a toy or some sort of DSL. In this case, it's a DSL, it's not replacing any of the systems level code, that is still being written in D and I am still using C & C++ libraries. >>39221 I am aware of NIM, it was one of the languages I ran into before I settled for D, I liked what I saw and if I was looking for a system language it would be high up on my list. I don't think it would make a good embedded scripting type language. >Now if this guy, wonderbrain, has trouble with C++ then, I have no hope. I come from C++, the reason I switched is because I do this as a hobby and I am a solo developer, so my productivity is the most important metric. C++ while powerful, I found to be more of a footgun to me. I spent more time then I wanted dealing with memory & lifetime issues, horrid cmake build scripts and etc... Because I am not a part of a team or have any obligations to make my self replaceable. I decided to move to something that makes me happier. I pick D because its like if C++ had nicer syntax, nicer templates & a garbage collector.

Chobitsu 06/14/2025 (Sat) 01:28:28 No.39226

>>39228 >I literally just wanted to share some AI output that came out ok. Got it. I found that impressive. The claim "muh half the research papers today are written by AI!111" from neo-Luddites what a term :D may be partly-true soon. :^) <---> >Yes, but is it really such a big undertaking? Maybe its just """me and my fast-lightnin' mind""" talking, but yes, it certainly seems so to me personally. Given the literal multiple-trillions being spent yearly today on this general domain, I think market & economic pressures would've already arrived at effective solutions decades ago if it were a 'simple' thing. :^) >In this case, it's a DSL, it's not replacing any of the systems level code, that is still being written in D and I am still using C & C++ libraries. Good thinking. That's on a much-more feasible scale for a talented individual, I think. I myself hope to create a DSL wrapper of sorts for RW Foundations code: primarily as a way to ease/ensure-effective-support-for safe, standardized & encompassing scripting interfaces to our robowaifus (for a variety of other languages like, eg, Python & Lua). Kind of a Scripting Abstraction Layer over the underlying Executive/C4 realtime systems code. I predict this can eventually even be extended out to providing realworld, 'embodied' interfaces for LLMs, STT<->TTS, OpenCV, etc., into our robowaifus. :^) <---> >I really do hope that my choice of D does not upset him too much, I understand why he picks C++. Lol, no not at all. Though it is a bit discouraging to me that after almost a decade's dedicated-effort on my part trying to help newcomers here to learn the language, I still dont have.a.single. regular C++ collaborator here on /robowaifu/ with me. Literally no takers at all, by appearances. I'm sure RW Foundations would be vastly-further along today if someone (even just one complete beginner; b/c it would've kept me motivated) had been working closely with me on it for say, a couple years now. Eventually, I just got burnt out by the discouragement + the pressures of full-time student life (3rd degree's -worth in a row, so far). BUT... I haven't abandoned the RW framework itself! Just the fruitless "C++ language-teaching" part. (Grommet won -- his 'muh_anything_but_C++' niggerpilling beat me in the end...) LOL. JK, no it didn't! :D Hopefully I can find the internal motivation and pick it all back up again soon ... -ish. :^)

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Grommet 06/15/2025 (Sun) 06:19:15 No.39347

>>39225 I wrote this right as the site went down and saved it local. >I don't make fun of C++ developers Making it clear. I'm not in any way doing this. I'm saying that it's too hard for me and I believe for most people this is true. I'm not capable of making progress with C++. Any other language is difficult enough. >Please note the paper is not serious I fully get that. I hope your endeavors are successful. I do think writing a new language is going to take a long time but, if it amuses you then that's all that matters. It's not a contest. I do think though that it will be really hard to write something from scratch. The reason I advocate for this or that is not so much cheerleader but that I hope people of better ability than me at this, not difficult, will pick a language that I think they will make rapid progress. I know this may sound stupid but it is exactly what I'm trying to convey. Of course I could be wrong. I don't know anything about D, maybe I should. I'll look it up. (I did look at it) ehhh, from what I read Nim might be better though I obviously am not qualified to say. >NIM, it was one of the languages I ran into before I settled for D, I liked what I saw and if I was looking for a system language it would be high up on my list. I don't think it would make a good embedded scripting type language

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EnvelopingTwilight##AgvQjr 11/30/2025 (Sun) 16:29:59 No.43095

Hello, long story short, be very careful when renting anything in the cloud. I know it's obvious advice, but if you're not careful you can still get screwed. I accidentally spun up more than one VM with expensive GPUs and it burned an eye-watering amount of money. That incident killed all motivation I had to work on this project for a while. I had a big hole in my pocket and nothing to show for it :( I preordered a Strix Halo system with 128GB unified RAM. It has arrived. Today I made a container with ROCm & PyTorch and got a comfy UI working; it's really cool that you can finally do video generation locally with actually nice models. I'm having a lot of fun! It's really refreshing not being super limited by VRAM. It's really neat that in basically 5 years we went from only specialist research GPUs can run this in a lab to here is a $2000 consumer-grade PC that can do it (but slowly). So this has boosted my morale a lot. Currently I am attempting fine-tuning/training of a language model of a useful size. So not a meme quant or a useless tiny 1-2B. There is not a lot of info online about how to do this on the Strix Halo, so I'll happily share how to do it once I get it working for myself. We might be soon at the point where local AI is no longer read-only in practice. I'll be catching up on the posts I missed on /robowaifu/ and I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving.

Chobitsu 12/01/2025 (Mon) 17:24:46 No.43100

>>39347 Thanks for your points here, Grommet. >>43095 Sorry to hear about your little setback, EnvelopingTwilight. But it sounds like you are back in the saddle again! :^) I hope this new system works out well for you, and that you'll make good progress with it. Cheers, Anon. :^) <---> Happy Thanksgiving, Anons.

LLM & Chatbot General v2 GreerTech 05/30/2025 (Fri) 14:43:38 No.38824 [Reply]

Textual/Multimodal LLM & Chatbot General v2 Models: huggingface.co/ >How to bulk-download AI models from huggingface.co? ( >>25962, >>25986 ) Speech >>199 Vision >>97 Previous thread >>250 Looking for something "politically-incorrect" in a smol, offline model? Well Anon has just the thing for you >>38721 Lemon Cookie Project >>37980 Non-LLM chatbots >>35589

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Robowaifu Technician 10/31/2025 (Fri) 04:20:20 No.42608

>>41860 I can offer some insights. - having powerful hardware will improve quality immensely, but you can get a lower form of this up now with smaller models. - It will have context limit challenges which will need to be overcome with smart uses of tokens and how you store memories, but you can have a functioning thing as you describe, but detailed memories will eat into this heavily. having different ranked memory tiers and clearing lower ones and a mix of other clever ideas can improve all of these issues, at this stage it's just a matter of having a "lower resolution" AI companion, you could probably later update your methods as tech advances, and greater hardware means greater resolution. - I would suggest using multiple models to parse and make your AI companion smarter and not stuck into the patterns and paths that each models holds close to and deviates towards. to keep it simple, load one model, think for a bit, switch models, think a bit, especially with current limitations I would let a large chunk of time when the companion is by itself computing, to go over it's past and it's token database and refine it and have discussions and debates with itself to self-improve and refine itself. - I would have these personally as modes which you switch from her active life and talking to you, and her maintenance/sleep mode where she improves her database. - I will use sillytavern just as the idea vessel here, as I am used to it but I have not done this work myself properly since I'm busy with life. . . . use something like the memory and world lore books to store memories and events, they can each have a comprehensive recording into essentially "quants" of the lore books, where your chat history is fully recorded as non-quanted, then various levels of condensing and sorting out less important info/tokens, then your companion will think for each task and memory which quant of each lore book is suitable keeping in mind limitations hardware and current state of LLMs. - basically it will have a large database which it will parse and read through similar to how you will have it load models one at a time to use then switching to another, it will load different sets of the full database at a time to parse it. - You do the usual things you would expect, writing the personalities, creating the framework of the database, then you just have it use auto-mode similar to how sillytavern has group chats with different personality card as the other character, which is sort of her maintenance/ recursive improvement mode, again, multiple different reasoning/COT models being swapped through will be ideal here specifically.

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Robowaifu Technician 10/31/2025 (Fri) 04:42:05 No.42609

The good news here is it's possible on local, and the bulk of the work will be in maintenance mode when you are not interacting with her, but for it to be good it will be very slow, but this will be when you are sleeping or away. When you are chatting, you will simply have to accept lower quality speech to you to make it run at a reasonable tokens/second generation, but pulled from the refined database which she created during her past maintenance phase where she runs a stronger model at an abysmally slow tokens per second/minute rate for precision.

Chobitsu 10/31/2025 (Fri) 05:22:20 No.42611

>>42608 >>42609 POTD

new type of AI agent with LBM´S and advanced robotics Stadiac 11/27/2025 (Thu) 02:37:31 No.43066

Well, i was thinking about this for a long time, and i came to think that its actually possible to use a LLM with an LBM at the same time with a complex mecanism in an android for less that 3k, all in one, and even making it be self-aware if you make an especial LLM. using something similar to the organization of the brain itself you can emulate the way a human being acts, talks, imagine things, have complex thoughts, its central nervous system, making it esencially think about itself as a human being. Im currently developing it by myself using something more in the way of a gladOS, just for fun and money issues, but i would like to go for a more elbaorate build. wdyt?

Kiwi 11/27/2025 (Thu) 03:34:42 No.43067

>>43066 Good enthusiasm, you should put that enthusiasm into learning more. LLM and LBM are already used together. LLM do not seem capable of being self aware, though that's something to hash out in the aforementioned LLM/AI thread. >Emulating the human brain There's heaps of research on this topic over the course of many years. Please read what others have achieved to better understand the problem space. >wdyt I'd work on your grammar first. Then learn more about how various AI mechanisms actually work. You have potential, please do the work and read to better understand what you're talking about, then come back and contribute.